Well, if they haven't figured out that my posts are a /nothankyou then there is nothing I can say.
But I will post my full thoughts at any time I wish.
Everyone in this subforum knows where you stand, Mr. Troll. The OP asked that people try to keep things civil and keep the discussion to a minimum. Your "letter" shows a complete disregard to what other people think and you will shoot down any attempt to give a counterpoint to your argument. How long before the mods ban your sorry TRIBBLE again, I wonder?
Oh, one more thing. Nobody gets Vet rewards for free. People need to PAY for either sub fees or an LTS to get to the required milestone. So, please go back into the cave whence you crawled out of and leave the rest of us at peace.
Everyone in this subforum knows where you stand, Mr. Troll. The OP asked that people try to keep things civil and keep the discussion to a minimum. Your "letter" shows a complete disregard to what other people think and you will shoot down any attempt to give a counterpoint to your argument. How long before the mods ban your sorry TRIBBLE again, I wonder?
Oh, one more thing. Nobody gets Vet rewards for free. People need to PAY for either sub fees or an LTS to get to the required milestone. So, please go back into the cave whence you crawled out of and leave the rest of us at peace.
Oh, one more thing. Nobody gets Vet rewards for free. People need to PAY for either sub fees or an LTS to get to the required milestone. So, please go back into the cave whence you crawled out of and leave the rest of us at peace.
It appears that many people agree with my point of view as well. It is the inability of people to accept that others may have something that they do not that is fueling the whole debate. The items here were a bonus reward for taking a calculated risk in the purchase of a lifetime subscription. A reward for good faith.
If the game fails, we have still shelled out the money. If it succeeds then we have shelled out the money.
It is common in life and games for acts of faith like this to have unique rewards associated with it.
Call it trolling if you wish. This is established practice in the gaming industry.
In the end, it is Cryptic's decision.... not yours.
It appears that many people agree with my point of view as well. It is the inability of people to accept that others may have something that they do not that is fueling the whole debate. The items here were a bonus reward for taking a calculated risk in the purchase of a lifetime subscription. A reward for good faith.
If the game fails, we have still shelled out the money. If it succeeds then we have shelled out the money.
It is common in life and games for acts of faith like this to have unique rewards associated with it.
Call it trolling if you wish. This is established practice in the gaming industry.
In the end, it is Cryptic's decision.... not yours.
unfortunately there are so many whiners out there they out number those of us who accept that we can't have everything
Only if the price in the C-Store is above 4000 Cryptic points. Only that can justifying taking away this unique item from those of us that are Champions Online Lifetime subscribers.
To be honest, have you thought that a lot of the people who want these items could not pay for lifetime, such as myself? I would gladly have got lifetime and bought CO if I had the money. By your logic the poor are to suffer because they are unfortunate which is wrong. And we aren't asking for a "RIGHT NOW DAMNIT", we are only asking for the opportunity to gain them in the distant future, is it only fair we be given that chance?
However on a side note before you all yell at me, I wholeheartedly understand where lifetimers are coming from but there is two sides here and argueing about it only causes unneeded fighting. Why not try to come up with a way to keep everyone happy? A compromise?
To be honest, have you thought that a lot of the people who want these items could not pay for lifetime, such as myself? I would gladly have got lifetime and bought CO if I had the money. By your logic the poor are to suffer because they are unfortunate which is wrong. And we aren't asking for a "RIGHT NOW DAMNIT", we are only asking for the opportunity to gain them in the distant future, is it only fair we be given that chance?
However on a side note before you all yell at me, I wholeheartedly understand where lifetimers are coming from but there is two sides here and argueing about it only causes unneeded fighting. Why not try to come up with a way to keep everyone happy? A compromise?
By your logic the guy who has the mona lisa that is no longer obtainable should agree that they should give it to you at some point because you can't afford it. Why should people that can afford things suffer just because you can't.
To be honest, have you thought that a lot of the people who want these items could not pay for lifetime, such as myself? I would gladly have got lifetime and bought CO if I had the money. By your logic the poor are to suffer because they are unfortunate which is wrong. And we aren't asking for a "RIGHT NOW DAMNIT", we are only asking for the opportunity to gain them in the distant future, is it only fair we be given that chance?
However on a side note before you all yell at me, I wholeheartedly understand where lifetimers are coming from but there is two sides here and argueing about it only causes unneeded fighting. Why not try to come up with a way to keep everyone happy? A compromise?
By your logic, you should be able to walk into a Ferrari store and just drive out with one for $5 because that is all you have in your pocket.. and that makes it fair.
If you want it, then ask Cryptic for the lifetime offer for CO to become available again,.. plunk down your $200, after saving up for it and enjoy.
There are too many people who feel that they are entitled to what others have, because they don't have something. It is a sad state of affairs. I will NEVER ask for something I am not entitled to. I won't lawyer up wording to try to do this either. I won't cry, moan, complain, protest, whine or anything else to get what is not mine.
But I guess that makes me a bad guy for paying for what have.
Just contact billing via email or phone, it has been posted on the boards that this is all that is needed in order to get these items unlocked for ones account.
In fact, this specific item was used as the example in one of the threads. So, no need to beef, just send an email to billing!
By your logic the guy who has the mona lisa that is no longer obtainable should agree that they should give it to you at some point because you can't afford it. Why should people that can afford things suffer just because you can't.
Panthro,
You have the worst analogies seriously, I have not seen one that was on target, The Mona Lisa IS one painting, these uniforms are not that valuable and not a singular item.
By your logic, you should be able to walk into a Ferrari store and just drive out with one for $5 because that is all you have in your pocket.. and that makes it fair.
If you want it, then ask Cryptic for the lifetime offer for CO to become available again,.. plunk down your $200, after saving up for it and enjoy.
There are too many people who feel that they are entitled to what others have, because they don't have something. It is a sad state of affairs. I will NEVER ask for something I am not entitled to. I won't lawyer up wording to try to do this either. I won't cry, moan, complain, protest, whine or anything else to get what is not mine.
But I guess that makes me a bad guy for paying for what have.
This analogy is a little better but not by much, First the uniforms are not as valuable as a Ferrari, I am a Prelaunch investor/ member of the Ferrari club and have already invested nearly $500 into said club (STO title) and was not asking for to be sold to me for five dollars? I was asking a NON EXCLUSIVE Item made available to the player base for purchase (at a reasonable price) or reward, so no one is asking for a free lunch.
On the other hand you is unreasonable to ask 200 dollars for something that you didn't pay 200 dollars for.
You paid for a Champions Online Lifetime subscription and Champion Exclusives, and received as bonus STO "Unique" MU Uniform set. ( hence the the reason the STO MU uniform set was not labeled "exclusive" when all other exclusives were labeled as such respectively.) Furthermore upon reveiw the MU add that did use an exclusive in the title and explanation from marketing infers the advertisement was refering to the offer as Exclusive to STO players. That would also corroborate why the MU set was listed under "unique" and not "exclusive".
It does not make you a bad guy for paying for what you have, It makes you possibly an impulse buyer and definitely A Champions Online Lifetime Subscriber Congratulations you got what you paid for!
I am not asking to be a Lifer to Champions Online at all or for a reduced cost. So the your point seems rather moot to me. What I am asking for is a "unique" made by "Ferrari" key chain that says STO on it and is only usable in STO and has nothing to do with purchase of said "Ferarai" that is given away as a free bonus for buying a Ferrari, and that I may buy it from the dealership lobby for a reasonable price without buying the car. (And yes you can buy Ferrari made key chains in the lobby of Ferrari dealerships, the only reason the key chain is "Unique" is because of its markings and has nothing to do with exclusivity. On a side note the "key chains" don't look aesthetically unpleasing)
Panthro,
You have the worst analogies seriously, I have not seen one that was on target, The Mona Lisa IS one painting, these uniforms are not that valuable and not a singular item.
This analogy is a little better but not by much, First the uniforms are not as valuable as a Ferrari, I am a Prelaunch investor/ member of the Ferrari club and have already invested nearly $500 into said club (STO title) and was not asking for to be sold to me for five dollars? I was asking a NON EXCLUSIVE Item made available to the player base for purchase (at a reasonable price) or reward, so no one is asking for a free lunch.
On the other hand you is unreasonable to ask 200 dollars for something that you didn't pay 200 dollars for.
You paid for a Champions Online Lifetime subscription and Champion Exclusives, and received as bonus STO "Unique" MU Uniform set. ( hence the the reason the STO MU uniform set was not labeled "exclusive" when all other exclusives were labeled as such respectively.) Furthermore upon reveiw the MU add that did use an exclusive in the title and explanation from marketing infers the advertisement was refering to the offer as Exclusive to STO players. That would also corroborate why the MU set was listed under "unique" and not "exclusive".
It does not make you a bad guy for paying for what you have, It makes you possibly an impulse buyer and definitely A Champions Online Lifetime Subscriber Congratulations you got what you paid for!
I am not asking to be a Lifer to Champions Online at all or for a reduced cost. So the your point seems rather moot to me. What I am asking for is a "unique" made by "Ferrari" key chain that says STO on it and is only usable in STO and has nothing to do with purchase of said "Ferarai" that is given away as a free bonus for buying a Ferrari, and that I may buy it from the dealership lobby for a reasonable price without buying the car. (And yes you can buy Ferrari made key chains in the lobby of Ferrari dealerships, the only reason the key chain is "Unique" is because of its markings and has nothing to do with exclusivity. On a side note the "key chains" don't look aesthetically unpleasing)
Judging by how many people don't have the mus (myself included) I'd say the mona lisa is about right. You guys seem to place as much value on them as the mona lisas worth judging by how many threads and posts there are and a reasonable price would be 200 dollars that's what others paid to get it so why shouldn't anyone else that wants it have to pay the same? Please don't turn this into vocabulary again trying to argue symantics the bottom line is this it was a limited time offer linked to the co lifetime sub you missed it get over it
Just contact billing via email or phone, it has been posted on the boards that this is all that is needed in order to get these items unlocked for ones account.
In fact, this specific item was used as the example in one of the threads. So, no need to beef, just send an email to billing!
The OP states that they want the Borg, but didn't get the proper lifetime account (IE pre-order). They were instructed to "contact billing" by another member. The responding post from the OP is this:
ok lets see.. i need a good cover story.. i was working on the HMS tranquility in the red sea battling the yanks for control of the nearest burger king.
No reason to be banned over it. The OP of the other thread met all requirements, other than pre-order.
1) Had LT sub
Contacted billing, using the OP (reworded I think they said) and received the Borg.
Assuming you meet the requirements of each offer, you should be able to apply for it.
As for the Galaxy X, that means, anyone who has already recruited 5+ people can call billing and get the X released to them. At least judging by what happened with the Borg. And P_Sutherland + his "old fleetie".
No reason to be banned over it. The OP of the other thread met all requirements, other than pre-order.
1) Had LT sub
Contacted billing, using the OP (reworded I think they said) and received the Borg.
Assuming you meet the requirements of each offer, you should be able to apply for it.
As for the Galaxy X, that means, anyone who has already recruited 5+ people can call billing and get the X released to them. At least judging by what happened with the Borg. And P_Sutherland + his "old fleetie".
hmm i think the fact i have like 10 warnings from GMs might give me away.
2 for blocking people with shields
1 for telling some to shut the hell up
1 for saying **** in zone chat
5 for self destructing next to people
1 for pushing admiral quinn out of the window in zone 4 (im proud of this one )
Judging by how many people don't have the mus (myself included) I'd say the mona lisa is about right. You guys seem to place as much value on them as the mona lisas worth judging by how many threads and posts there are and a reasonable price would be 200 dollars that's what others paid to get it so why shouldn't anyone else that wants it have to pay the same? Please don't turn this into vocabulary again trying to argue symantics the bottom line is this it was a limited time offer linked to the co lifetime sub you missed it get over it
I am not arguing Semantics, I presenting facts. The bottom line is that The MU set was unique, and not labeled exclusive. Reading what you have posted, makes me believe that you did not read my post or the factual true definitions and examples provided.Your post is a perfect example of why the electoral college system was created. People who argue or make claims of others arguing semantics are always the people who do not have the facts on their side. Arguing semantics is glossing over facts presented by emphasizing on one opinion or interpretation that is not supported by the facts singularly or on a whole.
As stated above in bold, 200 dollars was package price for a lifetime subscription and several Champions Exclusives, and a bonus of a unique Mu uniform set. So it is unreasonable to ask someone to pay for one bonus item at 200 dollars package cost.
well i suppose we could... but then.. they'll go nuts.. but if we didnt.. the other lot will go nuts.. guh fire the guy who wrote "Unique" instead of "exclusive"
well i suppose we could... but then.. they'll go nuts.. but if we didnt.. the other lot will go nuts.. guh fire the guy who wrote "Unique" instead of "exclusive"
Really!!
I was "challenged" about this information by a mod, in the only thread I didn't go into detail about it.
As some one who has told people "No you do not qualify" throughout every promotion we have had so far I assure you this does not work as well as you hope.
Notice the "as well as", which is just manipulator for "It works".
meh the sucess rate is a lot higher than he thinks lol
Yeah, I know it is ALOT higher.
They have to use the words "as well as" that way they can make a posts that makes it look like this is not possible. That post could have been written:
"Yeah it is possible, but you better make sure you deserve that item."
OR
"Yeah, it is possible"
Instead we get "Doesn't Work as well as" This is communication manipulation, by using the loaded words "doesn't work" it shows us that, this doesn't work. Some forget to read the "as well as" and well, with those three words it means that IT DOES WORK.
They have to use the words "as well as" that way they can make a posts that makes it look like this is not possible. That post could have been written:
"Yeah it is possible, but you better make sure you deserve that item."
OR
"Yeah, it is possible"
Instead we get "Doesn't Work as well as" This is communication manipulation, by using the loaded words "doesn't work" it shows us that, this doesn't work. Some forget to read the "as well as" and well, with those three words it means that IT DOES WORK.
I apologize, but naturally I am unable to share the particular details surrounding correspondence with one of our customers. However, on a more high level note, I am able to share the following:
1.) The Liberated Borg Captain is for pre-order Lifetime customers
2. ) Our Support Team only grants items to players when they should have received the item, but did not (generally due to some technical issue)
3.) We care very much about our players. We care about individuals, but we also care about being fair to our player base as a whole.
4.) The OP earned the unlock through legitimate means.
In the event that a player tries to scam us, we will generally place their account on a temporary suspension. As always, if the account has a history of previous disciplinary actions, the penalty is increased accordingly.
This does not bode well for the people who want the MU Uniform.
Argue semantics all you want.. I think this just may be the nail in the coffin, as this was a preorder lifetime CO bonus.
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says exclusive .. said exclusive tos uniforms.. now it just says sto = lol fail
Everyone in this subforum knows where you stand, Mr. Troll. The OP asked that people try to keep things civil and keep the discussion to a minimum. Your "letter" shows a complete disregard to what other people think and you will shoot down any attempt to give a counterpoint to your argument. How long before the mods ban your sorry TRIBBLE again, I wonder?
Oh, one more thing. Nobody gets Vet rewards for free. People need to PAY for either sub fees or an LTS to get to the required milestone. So, please go back into the cave whence you crawled out of and leave the rest of us at peace.
well said
It appears that many people agree with my point of view as well. It is the inability of people to accept that others may have something that they do not that is fueling the whole debate. The items here were a bonus reward for taking a calculated risk in the purchase of a lifetime subscription. A reward for good faith.
If the game fails, we have still shelled out the money. If it succeeds then we have shelled out the money.
It is common in life and games for acts of faith like this to have unique rewards associated with it.
Call it trolling if you wish. This is established practice in the gaming industry.
In the end, it is Cryptic's decision.... not yours.
unfortunately there are so many whiners out there they out number those of us who accept that we can't have everything
However on a side note before you all yell at me, I wholeheartedly understand where lifetimers are coming from but there is two sides here and argueing about it only causes unneeded fighting. Why not try to come up with a way to keep everyone happy? A compromise?
By your logic the guy who has the mona lisa that is no longer obtainable should agree that they should give it to you at some point because you can't afford it. Why should people that can afford things suffer just because you can't.
By your logic, you should be able to walk into a Ferrari store and just drive out with one for $5 because that is all you have in your pocket.. and that makes it fair.
If you want it, then ask Cryptic for the lifetime offer for CO to become available again,.. plunk down your $200, after saving up for it and enjoy.
There are too many people who feel that they are entitled to what others have, because they don't have something. It is a sad state of affairs. I will NEVER ask for something I am not entitled to. I won't lawyer up wording to try to do this either. I won't cry, moan, complain, protest, whine or anything else to get what is not mine.
But I guess that makes me a bad guy for paying for what have.
Just contact billing via email or phone, it has been posted on the boards that this is all that is needed in order to get these items unlocked for ones account.
In fact, this specific item was used as the example in one of the threads. So, no need to beef, just send an email to billing!
Panthro,
You have the worst analogies seriously, I have not seen one that was on target, The Mona Lisa IS one painting, these uniforms are not that valuable and not a singular item.
This analogy is a little better but not by much, First the uniforms are not as valuable as a Ferrari, I am a Prelaunch investor/ member of the Ferrari club and have already invested nearly $500 into said club (STO title) and was not asking for to be sold to me for five dollars? I was asking a NON EXCLUSIVE Item made available to the player base for purchase (at a reasonable price) or reward, so no one is asking for a free lunch.
On the other hand you is unreasonable to ask 200 dollars for something that you didn't pay 200 dollars for.
You paid for a Champions Online Lifetime subscription and Champion Exclusives, and received as bonus STO "Unique" MU Uniform set. ( hence the the reason the STO MU uniform set was not labeled "exclusive" when all other exclusives were labeled as such respectively.) Furthermore upon reveiw the MU add that did use an exclusive in the title and explanation from marketing infers the advertisement was refering to the offer as Exclusive to STO players. That would also corroborate why the MU set was listed under "unique" and not "exclusive".
It does not make you a bad guy for paying for what you have, It makes you possibly an impulse buyer and definitely A Champions Online Lifetime Subscriber Congratulations you got what you paid for!
I am not asking to be a Lifer to Champions Online at all or for a reduced cost. So the your point seems rather moot to me. What I am asking for is a "unique" made by "Ferrari" key chain that says STO on it and is only usable in STO and has nothing to do with purchase of said "Ferarai" that is given away as a free bonus for buying a Ferrari, and that I may buy it from the dealership lobby for a reasonable price without buying the car. (And yes you can buy Ferrari made key chains in the lobby of Ferrari dealerships, the only reason the key chain is "Unique" is because of its markings and has nothing to do with exclusivity. On a side note the "key chains" don't look aesthetically unpleasing)
Judging by how many people don't have the mus (myself included) I'd say the mona lisa is about right. You guys seem to place as much value on them as the mona lisas worth judging by how many threads and posts there are and a reasonable price would be 200 dollars that's what others paid to get it so why shouldn't anyone else that wants it have to pay the same? Please don't turn this into vocabulary again trying to argue symantics the bottom line is this it was a limited time offer linked to the co lifetime sub you missed it get over it
lol does it work ? :O
Here are some examples from the thread: life time Borg, and not getting it with lifetime subs
The OP states that they want the Borg, but didn't get the proper lifetime account (IE pre-order). They were instructed to "contact billing" by another member. The responding post from the OP is this:
Another, well known by you, poster made this comment:
(Bottom of page 2)
I thought it was because of this:
(middle-top of first page in previously linked thread)
Were you lying? If not, then you already know that it does work.
ok lets see.. i need a good cover story.. i was working on the HMS tranquility in the red sea battling the yanks for control of the nearest burger king.
well yeah .. more or less :P
No reason to be banned over it. The OP of the other thread met all requirements, other than pre-order.
1) Had LT sub
Contacted billing, using the OP (reworded I think they said) and received the Borg.
Assuming you meet the requirements of each offer, you should be able to apply for it.
As for the Galaxy X, that means, anyone who has already recruited 5+ people can call billing and get the X released to them. At least judging by what happened with the Borg. And P_Sutherland + his "old fleetie".
hmm i think the fact i have like 10 warnings from GMs might give me away.
2 for blocking people with shields
1 for telling some to shut the hell up
1 for saying **** in zone chat
5 for self destructing next to people
1 for pushing admiral quinn out of the window in zone 4 (im proud of this one )
As well you should be. I'm going to be imagining that for a while.
I am not arguing Semantics, I presenting facts. The bottom line is that The MU set was unique, and not labeled exclusive. Reading what you have posted, makes me believe that you did not read my post or the factual true definitions and examples provided.Your post is a perfect example of why the electoral college system was created. People who argue or make claims of others arguing semantics are always the people who do not have the facts on their side. Arguing semantics is glossing over facts presented by emphasizing on one opinion or interpretation that is not supported by the facts singularly or on a whole.
As stated above in bold, 200 dollars was package price for a lifetime subscription and several Champions Exclusives, and a bonus of a unique Mu uniform set. So it is unreasonable to ask someone to pay for one bonus item at 200 dollars package cost.
well i suppose we could... but then.. they'll go nuts.. but if we didnt.. the other lot will go nuts.. guh fire the guy who wrote "Unique" instead of "exclusive"
Really!!
I was "challenged" about this information by a mod, in the only thread I didn't go into detail about it.
Notice the "as well as", which is just manipulator for "It works".
This is damage control.
meh the sucess rate is a lot higher than he thinks lol
Yeah, I know it is ALOT higher.
They have to use the words "as well as" that way they can make a posts that makes it look like this is not possible. That post could have been written:
"Yeah it is possible, but you better make sure you deserve that item."
OR
"Yeah, it is possible"
Instead we get "Doesn't Work as well as" This is communication manipulation, by using the loaded words "doesn't work" it shows us that, this doesn't work. Some forget to read the "as well as" and well, with those three words it means that IT DOES WORK.
Until the mod wants to delve into what "as well as" means, you might as well get your free Borgs! (This does work on the Borg Captain, as per this thread: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=158839
heh im a lifer... but i'll giv it a shot :O
This does not bode well for the people who want the MU Uniform.
Argue semantics all you want.. I think this just may be the nail in the coffin, as this was a preorder lifetime CO bonus.
lol stand by :P i have yet to drop the ultimate bomb shell