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Why is the Joined Trill becoming a playable Klingon faction with the upcoming S1.1 Update? Is this addition canon-related or is it because of the Digital Deluxe STO versions? If it's for the Digital Deluxe and not canon-related, wouldn't it be more appropriate to add a different canon-appropriate Klingon faction?
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It's been implied in that episode that Curzon Dax had seen lengthy times with them, and they had nothing but the utmost respect for him. Dax was thoroughly familiar with the Klingon mindset, language, traditions, and weapons.
This was all before her marriage to Worf.
That's what I'm thinking as to how the KDF can get Joined Trills.
But if they are doing it, apparently someone at Paramount gave the green light.
Though I personally don't like it, because its all based on Dax, who had associations with the Klingons as the Federation Ambassador, but really thats it. Trill is a Federation planet. Then again Orion is a member of the Federation, and they get Orion players as well.
So to be fair, Klingon players can have Joined Trill, if we get Orion slave girls too!
But - damage done, so... Quark was married to Grilka for a day or two, can we please have Ferengi in the KDF? Its canon.
I voutch for that!!! And would do a Ferengie KDF ad hoc!!!
First, I can sell the positions of he feddies in PvP to the KdF.
Then, i can trash em to pieces.
And afterwards, can sell em there junk back to repair there ships!!
War is good for Profit!
Peace is good for Profit!
And if you can't make either, you can make MORE profit
Who or what would be appropriate?
If some Klingons work for the Feds, what is so strange about some Joined Trills working for the Klingons? Are there any logical reasons why a Joined Trill might be precluded from thinking the Klingons are taking the threat of the Undine more seriously than the Federation?
In short, I am quite serious about that, I want Ferengi playable in any faction - KDF and future ones. That also goes for other C-Store species that are not member worlds of the Federation. Yridians would come to my mind (Memory Alpha states they are planned as a playable Fed species in STO, and there was a Yridian in a video some weeks ago.)
As a KDF exclusive counterpart to a joined Trill, I would suggest... a Klingon. Feds can pick Trill from the regular species. Just the JOINED Trill is a perk. That's kinda an 'upgrade' and makes a Trill more powerful. So for KDF, I would suggest an 'upgraded' Klingon, for example a Dahar Master with better traits than a regular Klingon. It would also increase the number of Klingons in the KDF.
We are talking about an entire species here so it seems a curious bit of what, for want of a better word, I would call 'racism' for anyone to suggest "Klingons hate Ferengi"... really? Might I suggest you ask whoever said that to you "All Klingons hate all Ferengi? It that hard wired into their genetic code?"
Cultural prejudices and political allegiances are likely to be rather more fluid than that for some people. A joined trill might well take the view that they are not owned by the Trill government or the Federation government and if they decide to side with the Klingons for some reason, is that so hard to imagine?
How many important Joined Trill / Trill characters have we ever had in Star Trek?
Jadzia Dax and the earlier lives of Dax are the only pertinent ones shown in the entirety of Star Trek.
and Warf was the only klingon to join the Federation.
Cryptic turned a 1 of a kind Worf into a C-store commonality.
Worf served in Starfleet during times of peace or alliance, not when the Feds and Klingon were at war with each other. There are probably more Federation faction Klingons than REAL Klingons.
Ditto with the liberated Borg and Ferengi. One-of-a-kind is now common. {{:-(
Liberated borg were not unique... 7 of 9 was not the only one by any means in Voyager or even TNG and with the initial defeat of the Collective there should be millions of them spread across the galaxy.
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Seven of Nine was NOT a member of Starfleet. She was a CREWMEMBER of Voyager, but without a rank. That makes Locutus the only 'liberated Borg' who serves on a Starfleet vessel. As Jean-Luc Picard, not as Loctutus or 5 of 17. I wish people would remember that before naming their character 346 of 7995. :rolleyes:
And to answer the question (?) - yes, people have stated that ALL Klingons hate ALL Ferengi. Of course it has no base in canon, as Grilka still met with Quark after their divorce, and Martok and Nog getting along. Play as a Ferengi. Feel the love, joy and happiness of not playing a 'pretty, sexy' species. Even Cryptic names topics about gold spammers 'Ferengi Smugglers'. There you have 'specisim'. If I could defect to the KDF - or anywhere else - I would much prefer that and get away from the Feds.
So, now I have to go check my Eelwasser stocks, rant over.
Excuse me, but aren't you complaining? :rolleyes:
I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's the Truth that Klingon players have complained as much as Federation players regarding content. For instance, the recent addition of PvE content, when Cryptic wanted Klingons exclusively be PvP-only. And the complaint over Federation Science Ships.
FYI, the Carrier wasn't nerfed, it just had an exploit with the hangers fixed. The Science consoles were part of the Science Nerfing.
And Borg Hunt is Open PvP.
Joined Trill don't really belong in the Klingon Empire. There needs to be a line drawn. When the Romulans are added, they would want the same quality as well. Sure they can have Liberated Borg (since obviously we ran into assimilated Romulans), but they would also want Joined Trill as well.
Really, if people are fans of Joined Trill, they should realize they don't belong in the KDF and get over with it. If it was a non-Fed member world, I'd be all for giving it to all factions. Like, Yridians or something, but Trill is a long time Federation world, and there hasn't been a single Trill been shown serving in the Empire.
So I repeat...why? Are you saying all joined trills invariably agree with Federation policies, say, regarding the Undine? All joined trills think the Federation is a splendid thing? Given the long life of the symbiot, it seems to me that dissident joined trills (i.e. ones who do not support the Trill or Federation states) are almost a certainty as they would surely be far less likely to be swayed by governmental propaganda or conformist social pressures due to having many life times of experience.
Frankly once they decided to make Klingons a Fed playable species, it should be possible to play anything on any faction... logically there are probably anti-Federation humans too who are regarded as renegades or dissidents, depending on your view point.
Um, I didn't say anything was strange nor do I presume to speak for a make-believe race to what they believe to be or not believe to be logical reasons...to do anything.
I asked a question that I did not know the answer to, hence, the asking of the question. I'm a casual ST fan that has only seen parts of series here , seen parts of movies there...much of the canon stuff I'm still learning. You quickly quoted my post, without really reading it I guess. Here it is again:
Why is the Joined Trill becoming a playable Klingon faction with the upcoming S1.1 Update? Is this addition canon-related or is it because of the Digital Deluxe STO versions? If it's for the Digital Deluxe and not canon-related, wouldn't it be more appropriate to add a different canon-appropriate Klingon faction?
Then let me quote the germane part again then:
And to restate, my answer is why is it not 'appropriate' unless there is something in canon that suggests allegiances are hardwire genetically for trills.
It pretty clear that what he was saying is that Fedbears whine and get what they want when, compared to Klingons, they have nothing to whine about.
It's like the Air Force whining they only have basic cable and their hotel room service menu only has 25 items, while the Army is living in tents eating MREs and asking for mail and a mess hall meal once a day.
KLINGONS don't belong in Star Fleet at a time when the Empire is at war with the Federation - what don't you get about that?
Cryptic promised Klingons would get Joined Trill as part of the Digital Delux purchase - what don't you get about that?
How is an individual Joined Trill siding with the Klingon Faction any different than an individual Klingon siding with the Federation Faction?
All our characters are individuals, so why is it that we cannot choose whatever Faction we want regardless of what species we choose?
Why the fuzz about Joined Trill? Why insist on their 'freedom of choice to join the KDF'? Wouldn't a Bajoran not be likely to decide the same? Actually, now that I think about it, Bajorans are *more* likely to oppose the Fed policy about a potential invasion than Trill. Bajorans still carry the burden of the occupation, they would be much more likely to side with the KDF because the Klingons take more extreme measures to deal with the Undine threat.
I'm not asking for playable Bajorans in the KDF. You can make one as alien, all parts are there. Trill... well, same. If someone wants to play a KDF Trill so badly - the spots are in the alien creator. There you go, a truly unique, individual character.
I was thinking about Worf's example also regarding Federation Klingons.
So we have 1 Klingon join Starfleet, and all the sudden there's loads of them in Starfleet?
We had 1 Joined Trill in the Klingon Empire, so...
Instead of choosing a faction and then a race that's part of that faction, lets be able to choose a race and then the faction we want to align with.
I'm a bit divided about the idea to open all species to all factions. On one hand, I would love to play my main in the KDF. But on the other hand, I would hate to see any faction being overrun by species that would very unlikely be there, at least as a majority. A pro is certainly - it saves us this very discussion every time a new species or faction is added. :rolleyes:
Because we're playing STAR TREK!
I made the assumption that to make it attractive to Star Trek fans, the devs would make gameplay decisions based off the deep history of Star Trek canon... admittedly, an error.
Why?
Because it makes sense. Opening a race to be playable by it's planet's opposing faction doesn't make any sense. Knowing of the vastness of the Star Trek canon, I made a second assumption that there was some low-profile storyline that had surfaced from time to time, linking the Trill to the Klingons enough to warrant the KDF gaining Trill playability.
Unfortunately, finding that the only canon-based link between the two is that a Federation-aligned Trill character (the only high-profile character of it's race) married a Federation-aligned * Klingon (one of only two high-profile characters of the same faction, which happens to be the faction that we the viewer watch through the eyes of) and became an ambassador (?) to a Klingon planet and/or faction, is thoroughly dissapointing. Seeing that Cryptic simply commoditized a faction race..."just because"....is a big let-down.
The idea of Worf opening Klingons to be Federation-playable makes enough sense because he was a high-profile Federation-aligned Klingon character featured throughout two or three different series wearing a Starfleet uniform. The Klingon/Worf (and subsequently B'Elanna Torres) presence in Starfleet has been established enough in our "popular psyche" to rationalize Klingons as a playable Federation race.
I personally don't agree with it as the Federation is supposed to be at war with the KDF as STO is taking place. Logic dictates that Honorable Klingons would have no part in serving under a Federation at war with their homeworld. I think if one wants to be a Klingon then they should go be a Klingon and fly the KDF flag...but that cat (albeit a rational one) is already out of the bag. The idea that the Federation-aligned Trill is a natural ally of the KDF is just ridiculous; there just isn't any rational justification. None. If you can find just one clip of an episode or other viable Star Trek "content" containing/featuring Trill fighting for the Klingons in a KDF ship, I'll eat my hat.
After making what apparently were two mistaken assumptions of Cryptic on my part in my original post, I went on to ask someone else (as well as the entire STO community) who took the time to reply that they, too, would prefer a natural KDF-based race what they thought would be an appropriate alternate to a KDF-aligned Trill. Who better to ask then those that truly care about it?
Like it or not, whether it makes sense canon-wise is the reason Star Trek is what it is. It's rich history and culture fuels the passion that its' fans have for it...and it's why there is a Star Trek mmo-whatever here for us to play, so why not adhere to it? Why not open up the "Star Trek: Big Book of Bad Guys" ** and pick out another natural KDF-related race? Of all the races that were created for this series, there's no excuse for not selecting a playable race that makes sense! I really hope this could be changed; what's next? Bajorans fighting for the Cardassians? Romulans fighting alongside Vulcans for the Federation?
That's just not Star Trek.
With Cryptic having one of the greatest and richest of pop-culture pools from which to pull from, the KDF (as a faction and as it's playing community) should be insulted and demand more effort & creativity when rolling out an addition to its' core faction. Allocate the same Trill specs that apparently upset KDF players to begin with to this new KDF race. That way not only are we building up the KDF to be more desirable as a playable faction, but actually enhancing Star Trek Online. A new KDF-exclusive playable race would add another facet to our game and be another good reason to play, rather than just a ho-hum one that we're already familiar with and used to..
[ * ] - Yes, I know Worf left the Federation but he spent the vast majority of his complete storyline fighting in a Starfleet uniform.
[ ** ] - Pre-emptive reminder to those that may take issue with the "Bad" adjective that the Klingons were originally and are currently antagonists.
Well you do have a point I suppose... I have always seen a rather national socialist subtext in Star Trek and thus the idea that...
...that racial/ethnic/species origins determine political allegiances does seem to fit canon in some ways... all Trills must support the Trill Volk and the Trill Volk are allied to the Federation rather than some more abstract political view point... well at least for everyone other than that Trotskyist Internationalist collectivist wet dream the Federation of course :rolleyes:
For every 3000 Fed Joined Trill there can be 1 KDF.
How does that sound? Cryptic can have a C-store auction for the quotas and make a killing.
Oh wait, the cat's out of the bag! :eek:
The logic then becomes - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What he said.