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why the weapon power drain changes??

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I dont understand why the weapon power drains have been doubled, anyone know what the reasons are for changing something that wasn't broken?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    so that we do 0 dmg when firing weapons consequently making the battles twice as long, forcing us to play longer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    castout85 wrote: »
    so that we do 0 dmg when firing weapons consequently making the battles twice as long, forcing us to play longer.

    thats what i was thinking but that would make Jack a hypocrite, he doesn't want a DP because its a timesink and not fun so instead they turn combat into a timesink.

    The game isn't fun anymore IMO
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    They increased just Turrets, Single Cannons and Dual Cannons, right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    They increased just Turrets, Single Cannons and Dual Cannons, right?

    im not sure but a fleet mate said all weapons have had their power drains doubled

    ive got 2 dual phaser cannons and 2 turrets on my escort and it drains to 0 power after 1 attack run using cannon rapid fire, unfortunatly i can't affored to pay around 400k for an EPS flow regulator so if its just cannons and turrets that are effected i'll switch to cruisers
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    im not sure but a fleet mate said all weapons have had their power drains doubled

    You fleet mate is incorrect. They only change turrets,cannons,and dual cannons to be more inline with beams.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mulciber1261 wrote: »
    You fleet mate is incorrect. They only change turrets,cannons,and dual cannons to be more inline with beams.

    so does that mean escorts are pointless? can do just as much dps with beams?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    this is what i was fearing, it wasnt broken and didnt need fixing and will just serve to ruin the game, shame cryptic felt this was necessary :( id be suprised at this rate if STO lasts longer than a year
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Just do what us loser beam-people figured out ages ago. Stack EPS transfer consoles. That will fix most of the issue.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I can't wait to get on and use my 8 beam star cruiser with the new nerfs, its gonna be awesome. Double power drain and an EPS nerf? can't wait!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Andrew_Harnaman wrote:
    this is what i was fearing, it wasnt broken and didnt need fixing and will just serve to ruin the game, shame cryptic felt this was necessary :( id be suprised at this rate if STO lasts longer than a year

    I agree, this has made escorts seriously unbalanced, they die just as quick but do very little damage
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    castout85 wrote: »
    I can't wait to get on and use my 8 beam star cruiser with the new nerfs, its gonna be awesome. Double power drain and an EPS nerf? can't wait!!!

    It shouldn't effect that, hopefully.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    NinetyNine wrote:
    Just do what us loser beam-people figured out ages ago. Stack EPS transfer consoles. That will fix most of the issue.

    easier said than done, at commander i have 1 engineering console, exchange prices for EPS is around 400k and you can't buy EPS consoles until captain using exploration badges
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The alltered space combat is horrible. I couldn't fire the 3 Dual Plasma on my Prometheus with rapid fire as the ship has not enough power for it :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    castout85 wrote: »
    I can't wait to get on and use my 8 beam star cruiser with the new nerfs, its gonna be awesome. Double power drain and an EPS nerf? can't wait!!!



    Perhaps having 8 beams AIN'T THE BEST IDEA huh?


    Hawks wrote: »
    The alltered space combat is horrible. I couldn't fire the 3 Dual Plasma on my Prometheus with rapid fire as the ship has not enough power for it :(



    See, you are catching on too!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    CandymanCD wrote: »
    Perhaps having 8 beams AIN'T THE BEST IDEA huh?







    See, you are catching on too!

    You're right, I should respec and max out all weapons skills and put 2 of everything on my loadout. Oh wait, i don't have enough skillpoints for that, oh thats right theres a skill cap so i can't get more skillpoints.


    you sir, are a genius.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I run Advanced Escort with 3x Dual Phaser Beam Banks MK X front with Quantum Toprps MK X and 2 X Phaser beam arrays MK X and Quantum Torp. MK Xrear.. 3X phaser relay, 1 X Zero Point chamber,,

    Never had an EPS console.. Power never drops below 80 and out DPSs cannon / Truuet ships any day of the week.. have been doing that since Open Beta. (also requires some skills with your BO Buffs to pull off as well)

    Of course I am maxed in my skills for Escort, the 3 new abilities for attact vectors, maxed for phasers and quantums, for engines weapons and shields for ship operations.. and at T5 I have 7 pts in Weapon Perf and 9 pts in Advanced escort capian.

    Usually get 1st - 2nd place in fleet actions.. don't have issues with power at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, it sucks. To me at least.

    My BOP is pretty much TRIBBLE now. May as well go back and play Fed again.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Maybe because ships aren't supposed to be designed to fire immense amounts of lasers all at once?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Fed isn't much better.
    My Prometheus is now worthless. I had 2 dual heavy Plasma and 2 Plasma Cannons. I even can not fire them for short periods continiously now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ever get the feeling they are trying to encourage people to put torpedos on their ships? :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I also get the feeling this "problem" is because a lot of players do this in a fight:
    Full Impulse until close range, un-Impulse and fire

    Which means you have pretty much no weapon power.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    so does that mean escorts are pointless? can do just as much dps with beams?

    Escorts still do the most burst damage, so no you can't do as much with beams.

    The REAL hit is the nerf to EPS consoles 9Much needed IMO). This will keep people from spamming cannons now.


    The whole point was to balance escorts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    akridine wrote: »
    I agree, this has made escorts seriously unbalanced, they die just as quick but do very little damage


    Nah, u jus doin it wrongz kekeke ^_^
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    There's more to a fight then Full Impulse and spamming the space bar, amirite?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Adapt and get over it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    castout85 wrote: »
    You're right, I should respec and max out all weapons skills and put 2 of everything on my loadout. Oh wait, i don't have enough skillpoints for that, oh thats right theres a skill cap so i can't get more skillpoints.


    you sir, are a genius.



    You running out of power = Skill cap


    Brilliant!!!


    How bout this instead


    You running out of power = "FULL POWER TO WEAPONS! FIRE EVERYTHING!"

    Then you complain that you cannot do it immediately again...

    sagaciouszzzz wrote: »
    Ever get the feeling they are trying to encourage people to put torpedos on their ships? :rolleyes:

    Or at least more than ONE type of weapon...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    People don't read tooltips. NEver, apparently.

    Look at your cannon tooltips. They say they have a increased power drain WHEN FIRING OTHER WEAPONS.

    Now, does "other weapons" mean weapons of the same TYPE (i.e. all cannons/beams) or of the same damage type (mixed disruptor/tetryon, for example) remains to be tested - either way this is the thing to check, rather than randomly speculate that "they just doubled cannon energy drain".

    True, the EPS nerf didn't help anything - escorts should get a bonus to EPS consoles due to their energy drain IMHO. Other than that - testing is needed to establish what that phrase on the tooltip means. It shoulda been checked out on Tribble - but again, nobody reads tooltips.

    EDIT: After some testing in the Zwenas Expanse, this is indeed the case. Weapons must be of the same damage type and class as well (all heavies or all duals/all cannons - unknown on turrets YET).to not get the penalty to weapon energy usage - though the EPS console nerf still means that there is a limit to how much you can use before running out of energy. Weapon batteries will become more useful with the EPS nerf - and the extra energy usage is going to encourage specialization in ONE type of weapon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    bummer, going to have to totally revamp my escort setup as it was based on turrets,dual heavy cannons and just 1 torpedo launcher.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    CandymanCD wrote: »
    You running out of power = Skill cap


    Brilliant!!!


    How bout this instead


    You running out of power = "FULL POWER TO WEAPONS! FIRE EVERYTHING!"

    Then you complain that you cannot do it immediately again...




    Or at least more than ONE type of weapon...

    Oh come now, if Nero can do it then why cant we? :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    grajin wrote: »
    bummer, going to have to totally revamp my escort setup as it was based on turrets,dual heavy cannons and just 1 torpedo launcher.

    Yea, also known as "The Basic Escort Loadout".

    Hurray for balance...
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