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Recommend the main Klingon faction fleets get together and ask Cryptic for terms of surrender.
We could not be beaten by the Fedrats, Romulans or Borg, but against the unfeeling and unthinking Cryptic there is no defense.
The 45-day update makes it crystal clear that Klingons are not a major faction in STO and that Klingons will only get 3rd class treatment. They should rename the game Federation Online and let us get on with our pathetic existance as a monster faction.
Any terms short of species enslavement or extinction should be accepted.
As a bargaining tool we could ask for reduced monthly premiums to go along with our reduced level of content. Call it an even $5/month to play Klingon faction.
We could not be beaten by the Fedrats, Romulans or Borg, but against the unfeeling and unthinking Cryptic there is no defense.
The 45-day update makes it crystal clear that Klingons are not a major faction in STO and that Klingons will only get 3rd class treatment. They should rename the game Federation Online and let us get on with our pathetic existance as a monster faction.
Any terms short of species enslavement or extinction should be accepted.
As a bargaining tool we could ask for reduced monthly premiums to go along with our reduced level of content. Call it an even $5/month to play Klingon faction.
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There should be one combined faction, in my opinion, with shared content.
that shouldnt have to be, then what happens to roms and other factions , same thing ?
So, following that logic, we should just be the biggest province in the federation emprire and get the same content as them.
From where I stand, the Klingon empire is delivering the content I want just fine. Short PvP queues, adequate character advancement, and access to major endgame content as is it released (currently STFs). I don't harbor any delusions that a company in triage mode ISN'T going to do what benefits the most players first. Do you have some odd sense of entitlement that leads you to believe otherwise?
PvP is the soul of the Klingon game. That Klingons receive equal access to major new PvE content (STFs at release) is simply a welcome bonus. As long as the PvP experience itself gets attention and upgrades in due time, and Klingon access to it remains adequate, I believe I will continue to find it sufficient. If it does not, I will adapt or depart.
When it comes down to it, you have the same options. If you really feel so compelled to make a big preachy deal of the issue, then at least have some concrete demands. What IS it that you want, specifically, that Cryptic can provide in a resource-efficient manner? If it is Klingon-specific, how would you justify the allocation of writers, designers, and coders to a project that only perhaps 15% of the playerbase will ever see?
Either way, enough with the sensationalism and whining. I've seen perfectly decent posts from several of you, so I know you're capable of making them. This pitiful cry for attention, however, is not one of them.
PvP
PvP and cloak.
Although some added grind contedn would be nice, I don't need a joined trill to kill feds, pretty colors on my ship with different hulls or bright lights on my bridge and different uniforms, an addition to the content for some veriety would be nice.
I could definitely go for some sort of House building with a starbase or some other variation, conquer and hold a planet from the federation scum or something new, but right now, I am content.
I have rolled my third Klink (yeah I'm a slow learner) but still really enjoy the PvP that I was expecting from the start.
If I really wanted more PvE content, I would (ugh) roll a Fed and fly from planet to planet collecting "crafting junk" and scanning astroids and other such things.
Wow I just bored myself...sorry.
Some new stuff would be great...I do agree on the reduced sub...awesome idea, but for now, I'll log on for a bit and kill feds and log into another MMO and enjoy that, while waiting for more updates.
OK.. and don't view this as an attack, I am simply highlighting some topics.
Vocal minority. Made me chuckle, i remember being part of the vocal minority in SWG during the NGE disaster.. 5 years later, that game is still upside down. Guess the Vocal Minority, you know the 85% of the player population that left... enjoyed the change there.
how does that relate to STO? same principle, everyone knows those on the forums are not the total makeup of a games community, perhaps we are 'whining' because it's the only way to get attention? You know how the Fed's Whine about Klingon cloaks back in beta, and had a fairly high up dev roll a klingon to check the balance after a nerf came through. It was changed back, by the way.
Since it's concept, Klingons never wanted to be 'monsterplay' uh.. I mean PvP concept only. PvP advance only, fight other Klingons when the Fed's won't so we can advance, missions to advance via pvp...etc.
We wanted a immersive feel to our Star Trek universe as well, but Cryptic had a deadline, ok I get that. Cryptic had to ship 2 factions, ok I get that. Cryptic promised more content.. Ok we're waiting... Yet now the 45 day patch is here, and we get the Pakleds as a playable race for the Feds.. WTF??
Pakleds? does 15% of the community even know what species they were? Or that only 2 Pakleds were ever named, as they had 1 episode on TNG? Oh right they were background camera fodder on DS9..
I mean, Klingon's can't even see their BO's if we visit our bridge, WE can't customize our ships like the Fed's, We're asking for content and stuff to do.. but I guess the time is better spent making items for the C-store, right?
And don't kid yourself.. The 'short PvP que' is going to evaporate once Fed v Fed is introduced... Great the PvP faction has to play by it's self over in the corner.. Don't believe me? goto tribble.
As for what do we want? that's harder to clarify. Each player want's something specific to keep them hooked. I know what I want, but it will never come to STO. We asked for it back in pre-beta, but this is the direction they wen't and I have to accept that.
(In case you were wondering- I wanted to be a Ferengi blackmarket trader. The Nausicaan pirate. An Orion smuggler, independant faction type supplier of goods. going about, exploring new deals, staying below the radar of the local customs as I traded goods accross the war zone front lines... but that would require a player run economy, and a more suitable crafting implementation, and oh I don't know Social content... )
What I'd like to see is an abolishment of the current PvP que system. something that ranked 3rd to last in most liked, and 2nd in least liked. in favor of an established persistent Neutral zone. however, Cryptic adimantly says PvP will be concentual, as we don't want Negh'vars over Sol.
That's fine, I don't want to chase little nublets about the starter area, and a established persistent Neutral zone is Consentual. If you want to fight, you head to the war zone.. want to PvE, go mission..
Drop the current que for 4 zones, so when you enter one, your still in que for the others, and holding a spot.. allowing the 5 v 1 we constantly experience.
I think even the Fed's have shown the PvP is borked looking at the last poll results..
And as for your only 15% playerbase will experience comment... last week we were at 20%, A shame 25%of us all decided to quit while waiting for content.. At this rate, It will be a Fed only experience.. Hrmm.. maybe that's why they are implementing Fed v Fed.. :rolleyes:
I'm not saying posters aren't correct. I'm saying that wailing resignation doesn't represent the collective whole. In reality, I'd estimate that the vast majority of Klingon players already left some time ago - more precisely, put the game "on hold" while waiting for some improvement. It's not all that different from the trend on the Federation side.
My point? The milk is spilled. No point in crying, and please don't try to suck it out of the rug. Instead, STO's population seems to be collectively promising something no MMO to date has ever had: a second chance. Most of the leavers are saying "I'll check back in 3 months because I see this game has potential" rather than "This game is doomed."
That's why my last comment was, instead of this foolishness, what ARE the Klingon community's demands, and what are our justifications for the resource allocation?
Demographically, I would estimate that the average Federation player is much more interested in aesthetic customization than the average Klingon player. Canon-wise, the Federation also has more to draw on. It seems like a clear case of low-hanging fruit.
As far as Klingon-specific PvE content goes... I can't honestly say whether Cryptic has canned the idea on account of it not reaching enough players, or if they're holding back on announcing details because they want to do a good job on it. It's unlikely to be a quick-turnaround request, and if they release it piecemeal it'll just look half-assed again, so I doubt we'll hear anything about it one way or the other for some time.
Been on Tribble, but there's zero people on at all, so it's hardly a meaningful data sample. I'm a strong supporter of faction-agnostic queues, for what it's worth (queue for a map, fight a group from whichever faction is available first in the queue).
Yes, but I think that consolidating demands is the only way we'll get anything we care about. A small fraction of the population gets a correspondingly small fraction of the resource pie. If Cryptic is to follow through on their promise to deliver "what players want", doesn't it make the most sense for the players to take some initiative in expressing what they want?
I pulled the number 15 out of my hat to make the point, but yes, I do agree with you that both the absolute number and relative proportion of Klingon players are shrinking. The question, again, is whether we make a clear, unified statement about what we want, or if we just keep on feeling sorry for our collective fading selves. I know which I'm in favor of.
Either way, thank you for taking the time to post a reasoned reply.
NOTE TO CRYPTIC: One would have thought, Tabula Rasa, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Champions Online of your own IP's woulda been enough XP to show you what NOT to do, and what TO do...guess not.
Oh, and let's not forget the path of Conan and Hellgate:London. Both had massive potential, but fell flat, not to mention Star Wars and Warhammer. A combination of nerfs, misguided balances, lack of content, bugs, and the like KILLED them. A polite warning, take a look at the HUGE NEON SIGN!!! RETHINK STO AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO IT!!
So far, 3rd let down of games since Nov. CoD:MW2, ME2, and now this.
(haven't gotten too far in FFXVIII yet)
I suggest having your employees WATCH the series from the original -> voyager, even the movies will help.
Take notes, pictures, etc so you can fix this, and get it right, and give fans the star trek they deserve, not just a fast money grab.
Lmao, the game just got out of Beta. Give them some slack.. I don't know why everyone is whining about all these things. Just because we're Klingon doesn't mean they should be able to have an advantage of Federation players.. Hell give them cloak for certian class ships.
PvE content will most likely come. Its thought that you've had enough PvE with your Federation Character, and this is the opposite, centered around PvP and Killing.
Seriously, if your giving up after this tiny update, try playing SWG under SOE, you wouldn't last one day over there.
And talking in orange bolded font, really doesn't help anything...
I joined the Klingon Inquistion for one reason:
Fear! ... and surprise.
TWO reasons, fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency.
Alright, THREE reasons, fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Chancellor!
Actually, Tabula Rasa was developed by Destination Games (headed by Richard Garriott, aka "Lord British") and released/hosted by NCSoft, Cryptari had nothing to do with it.
(TabRasa player from closed beta up until the last second of live server time.
You have my
Haha, some good reasons
Like the sig too, made me laugh xD
The problem that I have with that is what we currently have now is not a pve faction and a pvp faction. We have a fully fleshed out faction that has access to all areas of the game, including Fed vs. Fed pvp with the new update. The other faction is only monster play. The current pvp set up does very little to attract that "hardcore" base, as most of them, I would imagine, want some kind of persistent pvp. I don't think I've even seen a "hardcore pvper" proclaim their love for only instanced pvp. If Cryptic was really serious about making the Klingons the pvp faction then they need to put in persistent pvp zones, where pvp happens without a queue and a loading screen into a closed off battleground.
The only thing that I see is that Cryptic panicked when February was getting near and they had no content for the Klingons. So the easiest thing to do, without a release delay, was label them as the pvp faction and put together a few battlegrounds.
^^ what this dood said.Go ahead surrender if you want.I wont be though.
I shall continue to play Klingons because i love killing Starfleet scum in PvP!
I know what you mean about instanced PvP. I don't care for the waiting myself, I am used to the PvP Zones in SWG, that are always there. You just cross a line, and you're overt. But, like I've been stating multiple times, they wanted to get STO out there, like you said... and they're not totally done with everything. People are going "END OF THE GAME!! AHHH"
Its been what? A month since it was released...?
CALM
DOWN
Any CUSTOMERS that are willing to pay full price for 3rd rate treatment have no dignity. Cryptic is taking OUR money but not giving us fair value. They fail to make good on their promises - of a full-fledged faction, of a Joined Trill available to Klingons, of other things. In their first update they devote the vast majority of it to the Federation and hand out bread crumbs to the "other faction". Yet Klingon players are charged exactly the same monthly fee - and some will continue to pay.
I don't think you can put your account "on hold." From what I've seen on these forums the account is erased, so when you come back you must start over from scratch, and your special items from the pre-buy will probably never be seen again. I may be wrong, and plan to call customer support to find out.
My point is that Cryptic is taking advantage of their Klingon faction CUSTOMERS by charging them for full content, but not delivering. It will take more than 3 months for Cryptic to fix what is "wrong" but the message they sent with update #1, and what they are saying is in store for the future, is that they don't have a clue how to fix what is important to Klingons (or they don't care). The Klingon faction (STO in general?) is Humpty Dumpty and Cryptic will never any time soon put it together again. Yes, many smart Klingons have already voted with their feet, they have in fact surrendered to Cryptic.
Getting the Klingon Fleets to band together and form a High Council was half-hearted humor. But that is the only way I can see the Klingon community getting a unified voice. Our first demand should be for equal value of services delivered by Cryptic or a reduced price for reduced services delivered. What is the first priority of work - I'd say consentual all-tier open KvF PvP areas with a mechanism to prevent more than a 2:1 disparity in numbers. Meanwhile the "art department" can start delivering Klingon character and ship customization. They could also clean up some of the embarrasing instances of their Fedcentricism - like having scewed up screen shots under the Klingon Faction description. Go here and check it out: http://www.startrekonline.com/factions If I were Cryptic I'd be embarrased by that.
Glad to see we agree. But who speaks with authority for the Klingon faction? Cryptic makes "promises" but they haven't been doing a good job living up to them, or coming clean about why they have not. I've seen a glaring lack of any reasonable attempt to communicat with Klingon players. The last "Ask Cryptic" about Klingons was a fraking joke. Why aren't they on THIS forum and IRC?
Cryptic should pay me to entertain the Federation players.
OH look! Another poster making a blanket statement about a power of which he knows nothing about. Fire on my mark simply makes cloak marginally easier to detect. It does not shut down your cloak, Get your facts straight before you add to over abundance of doom and gloom posts please.