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The Gorn Conspiracy ST SNW Star Trek TOS Enterprise and Star Trek Into Darkness (reference the VG)

ryurangerryuranger Member Posts: 533 Arc User
Okay the BIG bad for Strange New Worlds is the Gorn but these are not the kind of Gorn we all know and love to hate these Gorn are #%@# Scary They actually give me Nightmares! But I am wondering here according in Star Trek Into Darkness that actually referenced the Video Game Dr McCoy helped a Gorn Female gave birth to triplets when he was helping Dr Marcus with dissecting an Advance torpedo near the Klingon Natural Zone So is the Game actually Alpha Cannon and if that the case in the Kelvin Timeline there two factions of Gorn the feral Xenopmorphs once (I call them that because there actions are like the once from the Aline Franchise) and once that are civilized and peaceful are the same in the prime timeline if that's the Case then the once that we see in Strange New Worlds are the once that Crew of the Enterprise fought in the Game and civilized Gorns are isolationist. What about the Gorn that Captain Kirk Fought in the Arena why don't we see a tale while other once scary as they are have tales Two possablites there one he could have been the Gorn that is civilized or he could have lost it in combat what you guys think
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    No.

    The Gorn from the Kelvin Timeline, as seen in the Video Game, are actually invaders from another Galaxy entirely, and look nothing like the Gorn we see in the Prime Timeline. Even the Gorn in SNW have more in common with the TOS Gorn than they do the Kelvin Timeline.

    Prime Timeline Gorn are still a relatively clean slate species with no background or anything, having only appeared as one offs in two episodes of two different series (TOS and Enterprise).

    We know nothing of the Gorn life cycle, and it is not proper to just attribute a Mammalian life cycle to a Reptilian species, so we cannot assume that Gorn young would be anything like, say, human children. It could be an evolutionary trait from their homeworld, indicating a far more hostile environment if newborn Gorn start out as essentially Feral Animals. Survival of the Fittest indeed.

    They clearly identified the "ferals" as young. That could mean that the Gorn are completely different from our understanding of reproduction. They are a truly alien species that is so very different from the norm. As for the TOS one not having a tail, well... that could explain his more plodding, sluggish movements. He's got to be far more precise with his movement because he doesn't have the tail as a counterbalance.

    There is another possibility that was covered in beta canon, I believe in background information provided by games like Starfleet Command, that state that the Gorn actually consist of like three distinct species with a common ancestor. Kinda like the Xindi, but all three are reptilian. That could explain the differences between the SNW Gorn and the TOS Gorn as well.

    Ultimately we won't know until next season of SNW at the very least.
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    No.
    There is another possibility that was covered in beta canon, I believe in background information provided by games like Starfleet Command, that state that the Gorn actually consist of like three distinct species with a common ancestor. Kinda like the Xindi, but all three are reptilian. That could explain the differences between the SNW Gorn and the TOS Gorn as well.

    It should be easy to test this hypothesis.

    1. Capture all the different Gorn.
    2. Contact Dr. Crusher
    3. Use Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome on those Gorn
    4. See what happens

    If they indeed all come from the same species, they should revert back to the same one.

    If our Crusher isn't willing to, her terran counterpart might be.


    I want to play such a mission. Maybe they can even tie it in with that old episode that had modified Gorn in it.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    No.
    There is another possibility that was covered in beta canon, I believe in background information provided by games like Starfleet Command, that state that the Gorn actually consist of like three distinct species with a common ancestor. Kinda like the Xindi, but all three are reptilian. That could explain the differences between the SNW Gorn and the TOS Gorn as well.

    It should be easy to test this hypothesis.

    1. Capture all the different Gorn.
    2. Contact Dr. Crusher
    3. Use Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome on those Gorn
    4. See what happens

    If they indeed all come from the same species, they should revert back to the same one.

    If our Crusher isn't willing to, her terran counterpart might be.


    I want to play such a mission. Maybe they can even tie it in with that old episode that had modified Gorn in it.
    :lol::lol::lol:

    It's also worth noting that there are life forms on Earth that have vastly different juvenile phases. There are several species of rotifer, for instance, which as juveniles are mobile and hunt for food, but as adults settle into one location ("sessile") and wait for food to drift to them. Apparently when they're transitioning states, one can actually watch as they "choose" the permanent location. (They don't have central nervous systems to do cognition with, of course - selection is driven entirely by instinct - but it looks like they're shopping for a good neighborhood.)

    As for the reproductive method, there are at least three species of wasp that lay their eggs in a temporarily-paralyzed host; the eggs then hatch inside the host and eat their way out. (See "tarantula wasp" for the example that inspired both A. E. van Vogt's Ixtl and Ridley Scott's Xenomorphs.) Interestingly, this implies that Gorn probably engage in what's called "high-r" reproduction, where large numbers of young are spawned, but are largely left to survive on their own to adulthood - populations are kept in check largely by the high levels of mortality in the younger phase, as they fight over resources such as food, occasionally cannibalizing one another. Fish are one good example of this strategy on Earth. (Our species engages in high-K reproduction, where we produce fewer young but lavish more care on them in their youth, ensuring more of them live to adulthood.) This high-r strategy might explain why immature Gorn were just wandering the surface of that colony world, and why the death of one of them by phaser fire didn't attract immediate attention from the adults.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    I can't help but imagine those towering, menacing SNW Gorn adults in the LD era having normal jobs in Starfleet starbases, trying not to accidentally or instinctively infect their coworkers with their eggs, with technology having marched on enough it's now considered a minor nuisance to get infected.
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,398 Arc User
    We thought we knew Klingons - a proud warrior race.
    Then their appearance was changed and there was uproar - but because there was a bigger budget available, TMP gave them cranial ridges.
    Then their appearance changed all over again, in Discovery. The Internet is a thing by now, and so the uproar was heard this time.

    We accept this now as a 'sort of' genetic diversification, probably due to them all living in various areas of the planet - in much the same was that we humans look slightly different in different parts of our planet.

    But this is about the Gorn...

    The vast majority of information we know so far about the Gorn comes from beta canon sources -- books, games etc. and for the most part, Star Trek Online. This information has been extrapolated from what we saw in TOS & Enterprise, although the ENT appearance was in a different universe.

    I see no reason why the three different versions of the Gorn we've seen on-screen can't be from different areas of the same planet...
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    I see no reason why the three different versions of the Gorn we've seen on-screen can't be from different areas of the same planet...

    Some Beta Canon sources also say that the Gorn consist of three species with a common ancestor.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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