Sorry for derailing the thread, OP's Idea is great but What If we add that stuff to the Orion Black Market, since it's still cosmetics stuff.
Actually you did what I was hoping for the thread. My two ideas is in no way a perma-fix. Truth be told I don't think there is a way to fix the problem completely. But I think a combination of different options could alleviate the dil problem to some bearable degree. The Orion Blackmarket sounds good to me and I do hope that the developers would at least take a look at some ideas and try to implement them. At this point we have nothing to lose.
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Always find it difficult to quantify the impact of such one-off actions.
I think a time limit for offers on the dilithium exchange similar to the EC exchange has a more immediate effect.
It will help remove the reservoir of waiting dilithium offers, get rid of months old offers from inactive players and get the DilEX moving again.
STO's backlog is only a hair over a month currently. I'd worry that putting expiration on the offers for the DilEx would only make a bigger invisible backlog, with people just refreshing their offers as soon as they expire. I already think that there's a fair bit more Dil waiting to be listed that you don't see in the Sell tab backlog, but people have their slots already full waiting for Zen, and will list once a slot comes open. For offer expiring, it'd be effectively random if you managed to actually get your Zen when posting Dil, as the current value is probably way over the cap even with backlog offer trimming. If this was just a brief spike in response to a one-time demand, expiring trades might work, but this doesn't seem to be that.
I was reading the thread on Neverwinter's Zen exchange, and there eems be a similar issue with their massive months-long backlog, where people pop in once a month and put back on 5000 Zen offers to fill slots for any that went through while they did nothing in game, and that's without expiration.
I question that it is "merely" a little over a month. I've had offers up for 2+ months and they still haven't gone through.
Putting a timer on the DilEx is the first step to get it going again.
Combining it with a one time removal of active offers, removes inactive accounts and slows down mining accounts.
Both are beneficial.
Sure, if a worthy dilithium sink is not added then every other action is eventually in vain.
Why not open something called the Orion Blackmarket, a secret store that sells "POPULAR" "RARE""ON DEMAND" cosmetic items for Dil and it automatically changes it stock daily, you want a hot pink ship, a cowboy outfit, plus a Captain Proton suit with holographic BOFFs of every STO villain you ever killed well... now you can,
Personally I feel like lorewise Orions would take advantage of the DilEx crash to make quick buck on the side.
Could work as a Dil Sink, though I'd think a bit slower than daily rotation would work better, as not everyone will check daily. Probably would need more sinks on top of this to completely make DilEx move along.
Sorry for derailing the thread, OP's Idea is great but What If we add that stuff to the Orion Black Market, since it's still cosmetics stuff.
Actually you did what I was hoping for the thread. My two ideas is in no way a perma-fix. Truth be told I don't think there is a way to fix the problem completely. But I think a combination of different options could alleviate the dil problem to some bearable degree. The Orion Blackmarket sounds good to me and I do hope that the developers would at least take a look at some ideas and try to implement them. At this point we have nothing to lose.
I hope they eventually get it under control, there's a few things I'm really surprised they haven't done, like have more sales on just Zen with no corresponding C-Store sale to help up the Zen supply (C-Store sales raise demand a lot more than the Zen sale injects supply) or have less Dilithium weekends/weeks.
Or they could just initiate "The Burn" and destroy all existing Dilithium. 😏
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Always find it difficult to quantify the impact of such one-off actions.
I think a time limit for offers on the dilithium exchange similar to the EC exchange has a more immediate effect.
It will help remove the reservoir of waiting dilithium offers, get rid of months old offers from inactive players and get the DilEX moving again.
STO's backlog is only a hair over a month currently. I'd worry that putting expiration on the offers for the DilEx would only make a bigger invisible backlog, with people just refreshing their offers as soon as they expire. I already think that there's a fair bit more Dil waiting to be listed that you don't see in the Sell tab backlog, but people have their slots already full waiting for Zen, and will list once a slot comes open. For offer expiring, it'd be effectively random if you managed to actually get your Zen when posting Dil, as the current value is probably way over the cap even with backlog offer trimming. If this was just a brief spike in response to a one-time demand, expiring trades might work, but this doesn't seem to be that.
I was reading the thread on Neverwinter's Zen exchange, and there eems be a similar issue with their massive months-long backlog, where people pop in once a month and put back on 5000 Zen offers to fill slots for any that went through while they did nothing in game, and that's without expiration.
I question that it is "merely" a little over a month. I've had offers up for 2+ months and they still haven't gone through.
Putting a timer on the DilEx is the first step to get it going again.
Combining it with a one time removal of active offers, removes inactive accounts and slows down mining accounts.
Both are beneficial.
Sure, if a worthy dilithium sink is not added then every other action is eventually in vain.
Why not open something called the Orion Blackmarket, a secret store that sells "POPULAR" "RARE""ON DEMAND" cosmetic items for Dil and it automatically changes it stock daily, you want a hot pink ship, a cowboy outfit, plus a Captain Proton suit with holographic BOFFs of every STO villain you ever killed well... now you can,
Personally I feel like lorewise Orions would take advantage of the DilEx crash to make quick buck on the side.
Could work as a Dil Sink, though I'd think a bit slower than daily rotation would work better, as not everyone will check daily. Probably would need more sinks on top of this to completely make DilEx move along.
Sorry for derailing the thread, OP's Idea is great but What If we add that stuff to the Orion Black Market, since it's still cosmetics stuff.
Actually you did what I was hoping for the thread. My two ideas is in no way a perma-fix. Truth be told I don't think there is a way to fix the problem completely. But I think a combination of different options could alleviate the dil problem to some bearable degree. The Orion Blackmarket sounds good to me and I do hope that the developers would at least take a look at some ideas and try to implement them. At this point we have nothing to lose.
I hope they eventually get it under control, there's a few things I'm really surprised they haven't done, like have more sales on just Zen with no corresponding C-Store sale to help up the Zen supply (C-Store sales raise demand a lot more than the Zen sale injects supply) or have less Dilithium weekends/weeks.
I have had a bit on the exchange at 497 to test the waters, but the bulk is at 500.
Recently removed the 497 test and added another 500 offer.
Since my offers have been on the exchange 2+ months already i don't expect a return on it shortly.
It's a shame since the zen from the exchange would have just allowed me to purchase some things i have had my eye on for some time. Especially with a recession in large parts of the world it'd be nice to get in game items with some effort.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
They already tried the consumable items and cosmetics rout, it is the GPL economy, which, except for party amplifiers/drainers seems completely dead and chances are the "Orion Black Market" would be equally dead if they instituted it.
Always find it difficult to quantify the impact of such one-off actions.
I think a time limit for offers on the dilithium exchange similar to the EC exchange has a more immediate effect.
It will help remove the reservoir of waiting dilithium offers, get rid of months old offers from inactive players and get the DilEX moving again.
STO's backlog is only a hair over a month currently. I'd worry that putting expiration on the offers for the DilEx would only make a bigger invisible backlog, with people just refreshing their offers as soon as they expire. I already think that there's a fair bit more Dil waiting to be listed that you don't see in the Sell tab backlog, but people have their slots already full waiting for Zen, and will list once a slot comes open. For offer expiring, it'd be effectively random if you managed to actually get your Zen when posting Dil, as the current value is probably way over the cap even with backlog offer trimming. If this was just a brief spike in response to a one-time demand, expiring trades might work, but this doesn't seem to be that.
I was reading the thread on Neverwinter's Zen exchange, and there eems be a similar issue with their massive months-long backlog, where people pop in once a month and put back on 5000 Zen offers to fill slots for any that went through while they did nothing in game, and that's without expiration.
I question that it is "merely" a little over a month. I've had offers up for 2+ months and they still haven't gone through.
Putting a timer on the DilEx is the first step to get it going again.
Combining it with a one time removal of active offers, removes inactive accounts and slows down mining accounts.
Both are beneficial.
Sure, if a worthy dilithium sink is not added then every other action is eventually in vain.
Why not open something called the Orion Blackmarket, a secret store that sells "POPULAR" "RARE""ON DEMAND" cosmetic items for Dil and it automatically changes it stock daily, you want a hot pink ship, a cowboy outfit, plus a Captain Proton suit with holographic BOFFs of every STO villain you ever killed well... now you can,
Personally I feel like lorewise Orions would take advantage of the DilEx crash to make quick buck on the side.
Could work as a Dil Sink, though I'd think a bit slower than daily rotation would work better, as not everyone will check daily. Probably would need more sinks on top of this to completely make DilEx move along.
Sorry for derailing the thread, OP's Idea is great but What If we add that stuff to the Orion Black Market, since it's still cosmetics stuff.
Actually you did what I was hoping for the thread. My two ideas is in no way a perma-fix. Truth be told I don't think there is a way to fix the problem completely. But I think a combination of different options could alleviate the dil problem to some bearable degree. The Orion Blackmarket sounds good to me and I do hope that the developers would at least take a look at some ideas and try to implement them. At this point we have nothing to lose.
I hope they eventually get it under control, there's a few things I'm really surprised they haven't done, like have more sales on just Zen with no corresponding C-Store sale to help up the Zen supply (C-Store sales raise demand a lot more than the Zen sale injects supply) or have less Dilithium weekends/weeks.
I have had a bit on the exchange at 497 to test the waters, but the bulk is at 500.
Recently removed the 497 test and added another 500 offer.
Since my offers have been on the exchange 2+ months already i don't expect a return on it shortly.
It's a shame since the zen from the exchange would have just allowed me to purchase some things i have had my eye on for some time. Especially with a recession in large parts of the world it'd be nice to get in game items with some effort.
That is odd, as most everything I've found seem to indicate that it's a first-come first-served basis, so if it's been 60 days since the listing, you should already have your Zen before the person that got it at 36 days. Hopefully it goes through soon for you.
They already tried the consumable items and cosmetics rout, it is the GPL economy, which, except for party amplifiers/drainers seems completely dead and chances are the "Orion Black Market" would be equally dead if they instituted it.
Anything new that costs Dil should drain at least some Dil out of the economy, demand boosting the effectiveness of it (which FOMO for limited time items would help with, as would advertising it). Speaking of new, there has been very little added to the GPL in years, with Subspace Party Amplifiers/Nullifiers being the only thing I can name that wasn't in the store when I joined with the launch of PC F2P.
Since my slots were filled, i reposted some offers last month and they went through.
It seems that for some odd reason my previous offers were not included for the DilEx.
The DilEx does seem to glitch like that from time to time, but since the offers generally take a little over a month to go through the decision to post offers again is usually not an easy one.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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Actually you did what I was hoping for the thread. My two ideas is in no way a perma-fix. Truth be told I don't think there is a way to fix the problem completely. But I think a combination of different options could alleviate the dil problem to some bearable degree. The Orion Blackmarket sounds good to me and I do hope that the developers would at least take a look at some ideas and try to implement them. At this point we have nothing to lose.
Are your offers at 500 Dil per Zen? Any lower will not go through. https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1268428/dilithium-exchange-duration-testing says currently 36 days.
On the last point, I certainly agree that we need more good Dil sinks, and I know very few who would disagree.
Could work as a Dil Sink, though I'd think a bit slower than daily rotation would work better, as not everyone will check daily. Probably would need more sinks on top of this to completely make DilEx move along.
Especially if it's for a short time, or at least implied as such. They probably don't want to cut into ship sales all that much, though.
I hope they eventually get it under control, there's a few things I'm really surprised they haven't done, like have more sales on just Zen with no corresponding C-Store sale to help up the Zen supply (C-Store sales raise demand a lot more than the Zen sale injects supply) or have less Dilithium weekends/weeks.
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I have had a bit on the exchange at 497 to test the waters, but the bulk is at 500.
Recently removed the 497 test and added another 500 offer.
Since my offers have been on the exchange 2+ months already i don't expect a return on it shortly.
It's a shame since the zen from the exchange would have just allowed me to purchase some things i have had my eye on for some time. Especially with a recession in large parts of the world it'd be nice to get in game items with some effort.
That is odd, as most everything I've found seem to indicate that it's a first-come first-served basis, so if it's been 60 days since the listing, you should already have your Zen before the person that got it at 36 days. Hopefully it goes through soon for you.
Anything new that costs Dil should drain at least some Dil out of the economy, demand boosting the effectiveness of it (which FOMO for limited time items would help with, as would advertising it). Speaking of new, there has been very little added to the GPL in years, with Subspace Party Amplifiers/Nullifiers being the only thing I can name that wasn't in the store when I joined with the launch of PC F2P.
It seems that for some odd reason my previous offers were not included for the DilEx.
The DilEx does seem to glitch like that from time to time, but since the offers generally take a little over a month to go through the decision to post offers again is usually not an easy one.