Stuff I ❤️LIKE❤️ about new Trek shows

trekfangrrrl

STOP.

Did you read the title of this thread?

This is an experiment to give people of both "sides" (who like or don't like new trek shows) a place to share their thoughts without the typical arguments.

Do you ❤️LIKE❤️ stuff about the new Trek shows? If so, post about it here.

If you want to talk about stuff you DON'T LIKE in new Trek shows, do it in the other thread, because it is OFF TOPIC in this thread and will be reported as such.

Ok, let's see how this goes!

trekfangrrrl

Discovery: I really like the visuals and updates to some of the classic ship designs and uniforms

orangenee

Disco - Fed ship designs are super duper. The effects are nice and Burnham is hot.

I should add Lorca was awesome..

jonsills

It's new Star Trek. We see a world where a utopia is in the process of being built by flawed beings, human and otherwise. They have setbacks, but they don't give up, even when their views of what constitutes "utopia" differ.

Also the ships are cool, although some of the 32C Starfleet designs take some getting used to (one of the side effects of Humans noping out of the entire process after the Burn - the aesthetics of the new ships don't always take our ideas into account).

smokebailey

Lower Decks pretty much, as in positive, optimistic stuff.

thegrandnagus1

I have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Picard Season 2. It feels like a 'soft reboot' and is basically what I wished the show had been from the start. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the season and finding out who the baddie from the first episode turns out to be.

orangenee

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

I have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Picard Season 2. It feels like a 'soft reboot' and is basically what I wished the show had been from the start. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the season and finding out who the baddie from the first episode turns out to be.

Guess I'll renew my prime subscription then and see what's up.

thegrandnagus1

orangenee#2931 wrote: »

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

I have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Picard Season 2. It feels like a 'soft reboot' and is basically what I wished the show had been from the start. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the season and finding out who the baddie from the first episode turns out to be.

Guess I'll renew my prime subscription then and see what's up.

Hey, YMMV, but it did the trick for me. Was not really a fan of S1 for reasons I won't get into in this thread, but like I said S2 feels like a fresh start and has me interested in the show again (so far). Update us and let us know your thoughts too.

angrytarg

> @thegrandnagus1 said:
> I have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Picard Season 2. It feels like a 'soft reboot' and is basically what I wished the show had been from the start. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of the season and finding out who the baddie from the first episode turns out to be.

I second this

Also, Lower Decks is fantastic. The episodic format, cinematography, stories and aesthetics perfectly capture TNG and continue it in a believable, light hearted way.

Prodigy was also not bad so far. It certainly has heart.

leemwatson

Discovery and Picard are both refreshing and visually stunning. A bit over the top though at the end of S2 of DSC with 'Tardis' Enterprise's fighters, but was a good watch.

Despite what others may say, acting is excellent when you get past 'perceived agendas'. Folk forget Burnham was not the first Black Female Captain, and certainly not the first 'Mary Sue' either. Go watched the 'Charmed' reboot if you want to see 'agendas' done re-healllly badly Each of the characters has been brought into focus slowly, which I like, and way better of being shoe-horned and rushed in in singular episodes.

Picard's slower pace is welcome, Seven is fantastic and although Sir Patrick's age is clearly showing, he still hits the right notes in his performance. Haven't really connected with Rios, Raffi and Gerati yet, and it's a shame (but understandable) there's only 3 series being done.

trekfangrrrl

leemwatson wrote: »

Despite what others may say...

Folk forget...

Please do not start that kind of junk in this thread. This thread is for you to say why YOU like the shows. But is it NOT for you to try to backhandedly say that other people are wrong. Say what YOU enjoy and leave your opinions of how other people feel out of it.

phoenixc

They generally have a good cast, the visuals are generally very good, and DSC and Lower Decks at least are good middle-of-the-pack generic space operas (also, LD actually makes some effort at fictional-history compatibility) that would be worth watching if they were not behind a paywall.

fleetcaptain5

As stated in the other thread:

I've only watched Picard and the first two seasons of Discovery.

What I liked about Picard: It brought back Picard, and some of the rest of the TNG cast, besides Seven. It also devoted some attention to the Romulans, more so than previous shows. Another positive thing is the serialised story, which allows for telling longer stories than stand-alone episodes.

Discovery: Pike, Kelpiens and Ba'ul (which was an interesting allegory to the intensive food industry).

jexsamx

PIC S2 is, at least as of two episodes in, a renaissance for this show. Not perfect, it did a thing in Ep1 that got me pretty angry, but one small-but-deep bump in an otherwise quite smooth and entertaining road so far is hardly something to decry a show over. As for S1, I did genuinely like the moments with past crew and characters, particularly Picard and Seven touching briefly on regaining humanity after assimilation (the Voyager theme cue was pretty good too). S2 has continued this so far to similar levels of bumpy but ultimately enjoyable success. Plenty of time to crash and burn, though.

DSC... I do actually like the set and art design, despite what my DISLIKE thread post seems to suggest. In a vacuum or interpreted as "post-ENT" rather than "pre-TOS", I think it works just fine and looks pretty cool. Most of the ships, too, while not my taste, are pretty good for what they are. And Pike's Enterprise is sexy as heck; I'll gush here again at how they managed to make it look suitably retro while modernizing it significantly, a damn near perfect balance imo. Sadly there's not much else positive I can say about it aside from the well deserved praise of its cinematography, a trait it shares with its contemporaries (even LD).

And speaking of LD, what can't I praise it for? I guess the biggest thing, the thing that most clearly communicates all the other good things about it, is that it's clearly done from the heart. Enough people doing LD adore this franchise and are knowledgeable and respectful enough of it that they've delivered some Galaxy Quest tier parody. Every joke, even the ones that poke at the franchise, are clearly from a place of love and adoration. Everything about it, from the characters to the stories to the design, oozes Trek in all the best ways.

I just hope SNW is taking into account the lessons from PIC's and DSC's early stuff.

ryan218

Pike.

There's more, but I feel like Pike neatly sums it all up.

I'll give Kurtzmann and the DSC writers this: they managed to take a Star Trek captain most people had never heard of, who had barely two hours of screen time outside the Kelvin-verse films, and almost no character development beyond being stuck in a wheelchair and, in just one season where he isn't even the Main protagonist, turn him into one of my top three Trek Captains (Picard and Sisko, if you were wondering). He's the kind of captain we wanted from DSC to begin with, and he manages to do the whole 'We are Starfleet' schtick in a way which doesn't feel like we're being bludgeoned over the head with it. Season 2 was the most optimistic season of DSC in my opinion, and Anson Mount's portrayal of Pike is a big part of why.

smokebailey

ryan218 wrote: »

Pike.

There's more, but I feel like Pike neatly sums it all up.

I'll give Kurtzmann and the DSC writers this: they managed to take a Star Trek captain most people had never heard of, who had barely two hours of screen time outside the Kelvin-verse films, and almost no character development beyond being stuck in a wheelchair and, in just one season where he isn't even the Main protagonist, turn him into one of my top three Trek Captains (Picard and Sisko, if you were wondering). He's the kind of captain we wanted from DSC to begin with, and he manages to do the whole 'We are Starfleet' schtick in a way which doesn't feel like we're being bludgeoned over the head with it. Season 2 was the most optimistic season of DSC in my opinion, and Anson Mount's portrayal of Pike is a big part of why.

Discovery should have been about Pike from the start, and not Michael "I'm the best EVA!" Burnham.

thegrandnagus1

smokebailey wrote: »

ryan218 wrote: »

Pike.

There's more, but I feel like Pike neatly sums it all up.

I'll give Kurtzmann and the DSC writers this: they managed to take a Star Trek captain most people had never heard of, who had barely two hours of screen time outside the Kelvin-verse films, and almost no character development beyond being stuck in a wheelchair and, in just one season where he isn't even the Main protagonist, turn him into one of my top three Trek Captains (Picard and Sisko, if you were wondering). He's the kind of captain we wanted from DSC to begin with, and he manages to do the whole 'We are Starfleet' schtick in a way which doesn't feel like we're being bludgeoned over the head with it. Season 2 was the most optimistic season of DSC in my opinion, and Anson Mount's portrayal of Pike is a big part of why.

Discovery should have been about Pike from the start, and not Michael "I'm the best EVA!" Burnham.

Wrong thread.

fleetcaptain5

ryan218 wrote: »

Pike.

There's more, but I feel like Pike neatly sums it all up.

I'll give Kurtzmann and the DSC writers this: they managed to take a Star Trek captain most people had never heard of, who had barely two hours of screen time outside the Kelvin-verse films, and almost no character development beyond being stuck in a wheelchair and, in just one season where he isn't even the Main protagonist, turn him into one of my top three Trek Captains (Picard and Sisko, if you were wondering). He's the kind of captain we wanted from DSC to begin with, and he manages to do the whole 'We are Starfleet' schtick in a way which doesn't feel like we're being bludgeoned over the head with it. Season 2 was the most optimistic season of DSC in my opinion, and Anson Mount's portrayal of Pike is a big part of why.

He is a true Starfleet captain.

Eager to explore, prepared to make sacrifices, staying true to the Federation's ideals.

Of course DSC's writers had an interesting bio they could use as a departure point for the character. Still, they expanded the character well indeed. That's a thing Discovery did well in general - they created some interesting captains. It would have been nice if they sticked with one though and didn't kill them off so often.

Still hoping we'll see prime Lorca someday.