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Error with several omnidirectional banks

schlesier#8918 schlesier
schlesier#8918
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edited March 2022 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
I have the following omnidirectional banks from three different sources, but the combination of these does not work evenly
delphic - crate weapon
ancient - mission
R&D omni - manufactured

I can't use all of them together.
delphic + ancient
R&D + ancient
delphic // R&D

Why can't I use the last two together if they come from different sources?

It is illogical when there are three weapons from different sources, but only 2 out of 3 can be used together, because the first always excludes the third, despite different origins
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  • orangenee#2931 orangenee
    orangenee#2931
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    Always been that way.

    I think lockbox omnis count as crafted and you can only ever use one of each -mission and crafted- together at any one time.

    The only exception is the omega cutting beam, but that's kinetic.
  • schlesier#8918 schlesier
    schlesier#8918
         Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    orangenee#2931 wrote: »
    Always been that way.

    I think lockbox omnis count as crafted and you can only ever use one of each -mission and crafted- together at any one time.

    The only exception is the omega cutting beam, but that's kinetic.

    it just doesn't make sense that things count as manufactured if they are from a box and have nothing to do with R&D
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,400 Arc User
    The limitations are, in fact, that you can equip one energy omni that is part of a set, and one that is not, period.
    Confirmed - one of a set and one that is not.
    The only way to get a third Omni equipped is to use the Kinetic Cutting Beam from the Omega Rep. It's not an energy weapon so doesn't count toward the set-part.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    Once again a great example that the actual game does not explain how things work at all - aside from the generally superflous 'omni-directional beam' restrictions. They're just turrets...
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  • schlesier#8918 schlesier
    schlesier#8918
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    angrytarg wrote: »
    Once again a great example that the actual game does not explain how things work at all - aside from the generally superflous 'omni-directional beam' restrictions. They're just turrets...

    I find this limitation pointless as well
  • schlesier#8918 schlesier
    schlesier#8918
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    angrytarg wrote: »
    Once again a great example that the actual game does not explain how things work at all - aside from the generally superflous 'omni-directional beam' restrictions. They're just turrets...

    does anyone else think the omni beams should be counted as turrets?
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,400 Arc User
    I can't help wondering why Omni's are limited in such a fashion. They're weaker than a regular beam array so equipping more would only be less useful.
    I suspect the limitation of 2 Omni's is due to how beam weapons allow you to broadside effectively...?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    I bet it's some ancient 'but PvP balance!' decision that makes no sense any more at the current state of the game, but tge mechanics to lift that restriction are too complicated or will break the entire game if touched. So they simply don't revisit the concept.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • schlesier#8918 schlesier
    schlesier#8918
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    angrytarg wrote: »
    I bet it's some ancient 'but PvP balance!' decision that makes no sense any more at the current state of the game, but tge mechanics to lift that restriction are too complicated or will break the entire game if touched. So they simply don't revisit the concept.

    There isn't much to destroy there. Somewhere in the Star Trek Online databases there are certainly definitions of omnidirectional banks where there is certainly an entry for "maximum number" that needs to be removed
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    I don't know much about game development. But I'm almost certain that there is never just one number that needs to be changed, especially not in a game like STO.
    lFC4bt2.gif
    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • schlesier#8918 schlesier
    schlesier#8918
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    angrytarg wrote: »
    I don't know much about game development. But I'm almost certain that there is never just one number that needs to be changed, especially not in a game like STO.

    trust me. anyone who has ever modified games such as star trek legacy, sins of a solar empire or hearts of iron can also assess what needs to be done in an entry for a weapon.

    but before I start a new topic here that is probably a bottomless pit... the core of the matter here is that the omni beams have to be able to be used several times.
  • orangenee#2931 orangenee
    orangenee#2931
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    I don't know the logic behind the limit myself.

    I have a turret build on a couple of ships and that thing is ferocious. Especially with CSV.

    I believe it's an older "balance" limitation that has since outlived it's purpose due to power creep.
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