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mcalexev123mcalexev123 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
The new TFO seems to be setting up a new plotline with the Mirror Universe! Fingers crossed this might lead to playable Terrans!
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,101 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    Loyal Terrans! I don't want to defect to the Feds! Let me be the 'bad guy' !
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,780 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    The Mirror Universe is definitely worth dissecting, regardless if we get a faction or not, Terran Empire is very different, the Terrans (Mirror Humans) have light sensitivity and Mirror Vulcans have goatees, goatees can you believe it, they're not clean shaven like their prime counterparts, however personally not making the Terran Empire as a playable faction would be a huge missed opportunity, they're basically the Federation but evil, that in itself would draw in both new and old players, plus you don't need to make new ship models for them since they're basically federation ships with different paint jobs, prefixes and weapon loadouts, everything else would pretty much remain same.
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,780 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    If they do that it was just be spun as a Federation faction required to choose either Klingon or Federation no actual separate faction they would do the same to it that they did the Romulans Cardassians and Jem Hadr force you to pick one over the other due to lazy story telling and staff to actually represent a separate faction instead of Fed v Klingons.
    Trust me there was massive backlash over it for the Romulans Cardassians and Jem Hadr when they did it.

    Cardassian backlash made sense since they didn't even get same opportunity as Roms and Jemmies, people wanted a Cardie Faction and instead the cardassians ended up in the C-Store, they didn't even get their own tutorial.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,348 Arc User
    The new TFO seems to be setting up a new plotline with the Mirror Universe! Fingers crossed this might lead to playable Terrans!

    What do you mean 'playable Terrans'? Why can't you just head-canon it? It would be a waste of Dev time, and they won't do an 'evil' faction.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,521 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    If they do that it was just be spun as a Federation faction required to choose either Klingon or Federation no actual separate faction they would do the same to it that they did the Romulans Cardassians and Jem Hadr force you to pick one over the other due to lazy story telling and staff to actually represent a separate faction instead of Fed v Klingons.
    Trust me there was massive backlash over it for the Romulans Cardassians and Jem Hadr when they did it.

    Cardassian backlash made sense since they didn't even get same opportunity as Roms and Jemmies, people wanted a Cardie Faction and instead the cardassians ended up in the C-Store, they didn't even get their own tutorial.

    The Dominion didn't get much better treatment, all they got was one gender-locked horneytoad race, a handful of ships, a pink UI, the transporter visuals, and one tutorial mission. You cannot even play a canon Dominion setup because the Dominion officer corps from the show, the Vorta race, is not available at all.

    As for the Romulans, it makes sense for the Republic since they start off as the classic small border nation subtly using each side as protection from the other. There is room for improvement there though I doubt there will ever be single-faction missions beyond what is already there, what could make a difference though is more involved mission starter communiqués that play up the differences even if the missions themselves are the same (though preferably with some more faction-aware dialog than there is now).
    The new TFO seems to be setting up a new plotline with the Mirror Universe! Fingers crossed this might lead to playable Terrans!

    MU Terrans have been playable for years, when I first started playing STO the uniform pack was there in the c-store and they use the same ships and have the same homeworld the Prime Terrans do. Aside from that, it is essentially just a note in the character bio and roleplaying (for those who do that), there simply is not enough of a difference in game terms to split them off.

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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,780 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    spielman1 wrote: »
    No they didn't but the backlash over the other two was there also if they added a Terrain they would do the same and get the same result.

    It's like schrodinger's cat backlash if they do and backlash if they don't people have been asking for a Terran Empire faction for years,
    MU Terrans have been playable for years, when I first started playing STO the uniform pack was there in the c-store and they use the same ships and have the same homeworld the Prime Terrans do. Aside from that, it is essentially just a note in the character bio and roleplaying (for those who do that), there simply is not enough of a difference in game terms to split them off.

    This is also true, however you just need a bunch of Lobi crystals, an extremely rare currency that you can only get from opening lockboxes, you also need the genetic resequrancer terran vision if you're playing as MU human.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,521 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    spielman1 wrote: »
    spielman1 wrote: »
    No they didn't but the backlash over the other two was there also if they added a Terrain they would do the same and get the same result.

    It's like schrodinger's cat backlash if they do and backlash if they don't people have been asking for a Terran Empire faction for years,

    this is very true either way backlash will happen which is sad but if they include the player base and ask how about this or that and when input is given it is taken seriously and try to make it right would reduce the backlash if they decide to do it. If not a an actual explanation why beyond no we decided not to would also reduce the backlash from the player as then it would actually be explained to make sense on why that is an actual reason and not some excuse.
    MU Terrans have been playable for years, when I first started playing STO the uniform pack was there in the c-store and they use the same ships and have the same homeworld the Prime Terrans do. Aside from that, it is essentially just a note in the character bio and roleplaying (for those who do that), there simply is not enough of a difference in game terms to split them off.

    This is also true, however you just need a bunch of Lobi crystals, an extremely rare currency that you can only get from opening lockboxes, you need the genetic resequrancer terran vision if you're playing as MU human.
    Yeah they prtetty much put anything terrain behind a pay wall and expected everyone that plays to throw hundreds of dollars at theme as though they did a good thing lol.

    They have done pretty much the same with TOS, you cannot get an account unlock T6 TOS ship for less than $50 unless you happen to have tokens for the Ranger/Paladin comboship (which is how I finally got the thing), you have to buy c-store packages to get the uniforms and weapons (unless you play KDF, they are the only ones who get the uniform for free), etc.
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    darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,716 Community Moderator
    As much as folks may want to see a 3rd faction, I don't think you folks understand the undertaking that would be at this point. The game is hard coded as a 2 faction game. While that can certainly be redone to a large degree, it would take far more manpower than it would be worth, along with time and money. Also in introducing a 3rd faction comes the question of fleets, and how they will get access to fleet items. Will they have to completely rebuild a fleet from the ground up? Will they just be able to go drop it in? What kind of ships would they have? How many of those ships would they have? How will they interact with the other factions? You're also talking about 2 stories at once potentially.

    I recently put out an era mod for Space Engineers and it took me nearly 8 weeks to get it to where I wanted for the time being for release. All I was doing was redoing some blocks and adding a few new ones. Now scale that up to something like STO and you have an idea of how long it can take. I wish we could just snap our fingers and be done but it's not that simple. By no means am I saying that's what people expect, but simply me making the point. Folks are underestimating what it takes for some of this stuff.
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    darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,716 Community Moderator
    spielman1 wrote: »
    It does take a lot of time don't get me wrong but at the same time it can be worked on in time be amazed how much work can be done if a little was done each time. I can see the fact of Fleets and Ships and such and the rest but again a little each time be amazed how much can be done i have seen 2 or 3 people make a whole mod entirely doing a little at a time and come out amazing.

    Even working a few hours a day it can take awhile to do what you're proposing. Even if you release it in parts, you would have to compensate for the missing parts. I worked about 8 hours a day for 8 weeks to get my era mod going which is far less complicated than this. Doing that stuff isn't as simple as just flipping switches as much as we all wish it was. It's not enough to just design the ships, you're doing the stations, maps, missions, sounds, textures, literally building it nigh from scratch
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    oliverrogerr#5018 oliverrogerr Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    I hope so, the more variation the better!!!
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    kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    Well, they clearly couldn't make an entire new 1->65->endgame questline of 'evil' quests, so any new factions have to be yet more 'micro'-factions that fold into the standard episode list.

    Which means that past the first few intro quests (which would be "rebel against evil, travel to main universe, decide which Main Faction to support"), they wouldn't be "Terran empire", they'd just be Fed/KDF with a different ship prefix. Which we can do already.

    I'm not sure what the point would be, aside from an opportunity to sell Another Giant Expensive Bundle Of Ships/Costumes. Ooh. Aah.

    (and this fits for any other 'factions' as well - they'll just end up being Fed/KDF with a different coat of paint, so what's the point? They'll just disappoint the Big Fans of the faction, while drawing a big 'meh' from all the people who don't understand why anyone would be 'big fans' of them.)
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    captainmarvelushcaptainmarvelush Member Posts: 134 Arc User
    While I understand the way the game is made, i.e. only two factions, I personally think that they could more than recoup their money if they put the time and effort into expanding the game. They could do several factions and make a fortune with new players, returning players and cool stuff that has to be payed for, no different than the current system already in place.

    Just my two cents.
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    tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 826 Arc User
    I think no playble Terrans, but no one is stopping you from RP like Lorca Terran impostor.
    But what would I enjoy if 1-2 episodes were created where you would transfer to the mirror universe and play for you own character, albeit as a mirror character.
    Something similar is already in the romulan only story-arc in the episode Mind Games, where you play for double Tal Shiar agent and you can do bad things (like kill a tribble with thalaron lol).
    Of course the reward would be a sleeveless uniform for men and a belly-free uniform for women.

    We might need to know what happened to the Romulans in the mirror universe, whether their star was also destroyed or not. Some short stories suggest the Romulans are subjected race of the Terrans.
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,780 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Well, they clearly couldn't make an entire new 1->65->endgame questline of 'evil' quests, so any new factions have to be yet more 'micro'-factions that fold into the standard episode list.

    Which means that past the first few intro quests (which would be "rebel against evil, travel to main universe, decide which Main Faction to support"), they wouldn't be "Terran empire", they'd just be Fed/KDF with a different ship prefix. Which we can do already.

    I'm not sure what the point would be, aside from an opportunity to sell Another Giant Expensive Bundle Of Ships/Costumes. Ooh. Aah.

    (and this fits for any other 'factions' as well - they'll just end up being Fed/KDF with a different coat of paint, so what's the point? They'll just disappoint the Big Fans of the faction, while drawing a big 'meh' from all the people who don't understand why anyone would be 'big fans' of them.)

    They wouldn't even be a KDF option anyways, if Terrans were made into playable faction it'll be in the same boat as TOS and DSC Factions, and if they aren't made into a playable faction, how about my idea of the "Terran Recruitment Event." and it'll cover every Fed faction from TOS Starfleet to 25th century Starfleet to even DSC Starfleet.

    I personally want Ambassador Kael to see this brilliant idea of mine, just to get his opinion.
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    paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,780 Arc User
    edited September 2021
    tmassx wrote: »
    I think no playble Terrans, but no one is stopping you from RP like Lorca Terran impostor.
    But what would I enjoy if 1-2 episodes were created where you would transfer to the mirror universe and play for you own character, albeit as a mirror character.
    Something similar is already in the romulan only story-arc in the episode Mind Games, where you play for double Tal Shiar agent and you can do bad things (like kill a tribble with thalaron lol).
    Of course the reward would be a sleeveless uniform for men and a belly-free uniform for women.

    We might need to know what happened to the Romulans in the mirror universe, whether their star was also destroyed or not. Some short stories suggest the Romulans are subjected race of the Terrans.

    Most novels paint them off as isolationists which pissed me off because I was expecting Mirror Romulans to be the James Bonds of the mirror universe, spymasters but on the side of good, Discovery season 3 actually did the mirror Romulans justice by making them allies with mirror Klingons in an off hand comment in Terra Firma, part 2 in the episode Mirror Burnham says, "The Romulans, Klingons, Andorians, and Tellarites are forming an alliance against the Empire called the Coalition", she then adds, "The Denobulans, Coridanites, and Rigelians will follow."
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    warmonger360warmonger360 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    The new TFO seems to be setting up a new plotline with the Mirror Universe! Fingers crossed this might lead to playable Terrans!

    glory to the TERran EMpire
    WE SURVIVE!

    aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
    either to conquer or to die for the Empire
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    vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    I thought all you had to do is add an evil mustache/goatee and you had a new Terran Empire player? :p
    The Lobi Crystals are Faaaakkkkee!
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    If the Discovery Klingons didn't get their own (they actually have unique effects) I don't see a reason why Terrans would get one.
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