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Suggestion Let us Buy Dilithium CAP Increase Tokens

Suggestion Let us Buy Dilithium CAP Increase Tokens Like the Energy Credit Cap increase Token. both unrefined and refined Dilithium. be a good sell for Store. either using Zen or Dilithium> It a good idea :smile:
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    It wouldn't be worth the developer time to create and implement this item to appeal to 3 people in the entire player base that are at the cap. Considering you can just transfer Dilithium to another alt anyway, it's use is limited even to those few players.

    It's just not something that is needed, and certainly wouldn't actually be used.
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  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    It wouldn't be worth the developer time to create and implement this item to appeal to 3 people in the entire player base that are at the cap. Considering you can just transfer Dilithium to another alt anyway, it's use is limited even to those few players.

    It's just not something that is needed, and certainly wouldn't actually be used.



    Well it would be something new for STO to sell us I am sure they would be in the Market for that. There has got to be more than 3 of us Old timers players left that have this Issue. I am doing the Character exchange now but this won't last long they will be cap too.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    No. Pick up a dictionary, and look up the word 'inflation'.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,666 Bug Hunter
    starmanj wrote: »
    Suggestion Let us Buy Dilithium CAP Increase Tokens Like the Energy Credit Cap increase Token. both unrefined and refined Dilithium. be a good sell for Store. either using Zen or Dilithium> It a good idea :smile:

    The problem is if they required you to buy them, then many wouldn't be able to even sell their Dilithium if the market rate was increased. So this wouldn't be a good idea, and wouldn't benefit anyone! I agree the DZE needs perhaps a market Cap increase, yet really wouldn't want to see it go far beyond 599:1 at best. What it really needs is new options for people to require to do with their DIL, as it does need a balanced approach to this problem.

    It also really needs to introduce or expand more Holdings out to Tier 4, as they could just use the existing maps, except having to add or introduce a few new items to unlock or buy.

    Then they could then always add 1 last Tier 4 like a Ferengi Commerce Authority or something that accepts GPL as well yet also give 5+ years of updates or more. :)
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    @meimeitoo, @strathkin.... I think you guys misread... he was asking to increase the storage cap, not the refining cap or the exchange rate cap. It wouldn't cause inflation, etc.

    Even with a storage increase, it REALLY wouldn't help the situation that he has expressed in a different thread.

    As it stands now, Starmanj is capping out on both refined dilithium & dilithium ore. He wants to have a storage cap increase just so that he could go and store ADDITIONAL dilithium that he's never going to be able to use.

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    @meimeitoo, @strathkin.... I think you guys misread... he was asking to increase the storage cap, not the refining cap or the exchange rate cap. It wouldn't cause inflation, etc.

    You are right: I misread; my bad. :blush:
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    westmetals wrote: »
    @meimeitoo, @strathkin.... I think you guys misread... he was asking to increase the storage cap, not the refining cap or the exchange rate cap. It wouldn't cause inflation, etc.

    Even with a storage increase, it REALLY wouldn't help the situation that he has expressed in a different thread.

    As it stands now, Starmanj is capping out on both refined dilithium & dilithium ore. He wants to have a storage cap increase just so that he could go and store ADDITIONAL dilithium that he's never going to be able to use.

    true. I was just pointing out that it would not be harmful.

    Not harmful, but a waste of time compared to using the development resources for anything else.

    Yes, OP offered to pay zen, but the market for this is approximately one person.
  • protoneousprotoneous Member Posts: 2,984 Arc User
    strathkin wrote: »
    starmanj wrote: »
    Suggestion Let us Buy Dilithium CAP Increase Tokens Like the Energy Credit Cap increase Token. both unrefined and refined Dilithium. be a good sell for Store. either using Zen or Dilithium> It a good idea :smile:

    The problem is if they required you to buy them, then many wouldn't be able to even sell their Dilithium if the market rate was increased. So this wouldn't be a good idea, and wouldn't benefit anyone! I agree the DZE needs perhaps a market Cap increase, yet really wouldn't want to see it go far beyond 599:1 at best. What it really needs is new options for people to require to do with their DIL, as it does need a balanced approach to this problem.

    It also really needs to introduce or expand more Holdings out to Tier 4, as they could just use the existing maps, except having to add or introduce a few new items to unlock or buy.

    Then they could then always add 1 last Tier 4 like a Ferengi Commerce Authority or something that accepts GPL as well yet also give 5+ years of updates or more. :)

    If individuals were able to expand their own status (per player not per fleet) to enable them to achieve a Tier 4 ranking on an individual basis I think that would be great but not necessarily popular. Would also change the Ferengi Commerce Authority concept with 5+ years of updates from GPL to requiring mainly dilithium (and lots of it) and also ensure it's on a per player basis to ensure any costs are up to the the individual.

    Anything else is just shifting dilithium exchange balance sinks to a relatively small number of people. It doesn't seem fair to have a system that requires a small number of people to grind and/or purchase hundreds or thousands of dollars of dil with Zen to offset other people who want to sell dil to purchase Zen.

    I'd be really enthusiastic about any plan that includes everybody :smile: The OP's photo from another thread may illustrate why.

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    starmanj wrote: »
    There has got to be more than 3 of us Old timers players left that have this Issue.

    I would honestly be shocked if there is even one other person.

    It's not about how long you have played it's about how you have played. You have refined Dilithium every day for 3 and a half years without ever spending any of it. I am pretty sure no one else has ever done that. It's possible I am underestimating the number of players that play like this, or you could be over estimating.. hard to tell. I have been playing since 2014, I have a little more then 10M Dilithium on my entire account consisting of 11 characters. I have however, generated and spent hundreds of millions of Dilithium in game over that span.. it seems you have just cut the part where you actually spend it. :lol:

    Let me ask you this though.. how many players do you think are in the same situation as you? 10? more? Less then 50?

    The reason I ask is because even something simple like this requires a developer to take time to create and add the item. Everything we have seen from Cryptic lately is about how they don't have the staff to do.. well.. anything.. so do you really think there is enough demand to task one of their maybe 2 guys that work here to make this?

    It's not that it's a bad idea, if this was a larger problem, it would actually be a good idea. The problem is, as it currently sits, it's solving a problem that outside of you.. might not even exist.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,344 Arc User
    Simple fix....as already mentioned....create another toon to transfer and store it on. It's waaaaaay quicker to achieve than having the Dev's waste time to program.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    starmanj wrote: »
    There has got to be more than 3 of us Old timers players left that have this Issue.

    I would honestly be shocked if there is even one other person.

    It's not about how long you have played it's about how you have played. You have refined Dilithium every day for 3 and a half years without ever spending any of it. I am pretty sure no one else has ever done that. It's possible I am underestimating the number of players that play like this, or you could be over estimating.. hard to tell.

    Let me ask you this though.. how many players do you think are in the same situation as you? 10? more? Less then 50?

    The reason I ask is because even something simple like this requires a developer to take time to create and add the item. Everything we have seen from Cryptic lately is about how they don't have the staff to do.. well.. anything.. so do you really think there is enough demand to task one of their maybe 2 guys that work here to make this?

    It's not that it's a bad idea, if this was a larger problem, it would actually be a good idea. The problem is, as it currently sits, it's solving a problem that outside of you.. might not even exist.


    Hehe, me, I just spend it all. :) I mean, that is the point of the game, no? I convert it to Zen, donate a large portion to Fleet projects, use it on Phoenix upgrades, use it to re-engineer items, buy rep items, etc.

    And no offense to OP, but this feels a bit like a luxury problem to me (subsidiarily, an edge-case which doesn't warrant an entire overhaul of the system).
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Hehe, me, I just spend it all. :) I mean, that is the point of the game, no? I convert it to Zen, donate a large portion to Fleet projects, use it on Phoenix upgrades, use it to re-engineer items, buy rep items, etc.

    For me, fleet donations, fleet and dil store gear, phoenix, re-engineering, but not buying zen.

    I first played STO in mid-2012, left, then came back in Fall 2014 and have been here ever since. I might have at most a million each of refined and unrefined across all my alts combined, but it's not something I hoard.

    What's the point of wanting a bigger mountain of unspent dil when you can't swim in it Scrooge McDuck style or sleep on it like a dragon's hoard?
  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    starmanj wrote: »
    There has got to be more than 3 of us Old timers players left that have this Issue.

    I would honestly be shocked if there is even one other person.

    It's not about how long you have played it's about how you have played. You have refined Dilithium every day for 3 and a half years without ever spending any of it. I am pretty sure no one else has ever done that. It's possible I am underestimating the number of players that play like this, or you could be over estimating.. hard to tell. I have been playing since 2014, I have a little more then 10M Dilithium on my entire account consisting of 11 characters. I have however, generated and spent hundreds of millions of Dilithium in game over that span.. it seems you have just cut the part where you actually spend it. :lol:

    Let me ask you this though.. how many players do you think are in the same situation as you? 10? more? Less then 50?

    The reason I ask is because even something simple like this requires a developer to take time to create and add the item. Everything we have seen from Cryptic lately is about how they don't have the staff to do.. well.. anything.. so do you really think there is enough demand to task one of their maybe 2 guys that work here to make this?

    It's not that it's a bad idea, if this was a larger problem, it would actually be a good idea. The problem is, as it currently sits, it's solving a problem that outside of you.. might not even exist.


    Guys I have my Own Fleet spent tons of Dil on it also the fleet is Maxed also. I spent a bunch buying Bundle of Ships Lol I got to many of them. This Character Transfer is good idea, for now. I also have 3 other Accounts and yes I play alot. I also said do not let the Dilithium Exchange cap out at 500, but players did it any way some said it was a good thing, I told this will happen. The Credit token idea would prevent Dilithium being toss in the BIT Bucket for those that want to buy them.
  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    edited August 2021
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Once again...NO. This problem is a YOU problem and really, nobody else. They do not need to waste even 1 second of dev time for this.



    LOL Why are you such a NO CAN DO Person and so against everything I suggest. I am Just try to help progress the game for all to enjoy. another LOL I said along time ago when we were all suck at level 50. we need to Increase the Levels look where we are at now. :)
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    Cryptic can't even post blogs without multiple attempts to get it right. They apparently don't have the spare time for "would be nice" features unless they will help a lot of people.
  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    I enjoy doing events, episodes, and TFOs, they all give Dilithium to but when you at 10mil Cap it all goes in to the BIT Bucket meaning it is gone. Someday it will be you all be in this dilemma and missing out on getting anymore Dilithium FUN. So this DIL Token idea would help in that fun.
  • solidshark214solidshark214 Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    starmanj wrote: »
    I enjoy doing events, episodes, and TFOs, they all give Dilithium to but when you at 10mil Cap it all goes in to the BIT Bucket meaning it is gone. Someday it will be you all be in this dilemma and missing out on getting anymore Dilithium FUN. So this DIL Token idea would help in that fun.

    Dude, no offense, but if you're not even spending the tens of millions of dil you have now, what the Sam Hill is the point of an increase allowing you to hoard more? Does the shiny number really give you that much of a thrill? I honestly can't see any point here.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    The event doesn't go away, it's just the counter for dil not counting any more. If it's fun to just see counters climb then max another one?
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    A fleet dilithium bank would be more practical in this case... similar to the colony provisions, so you add to a pool and you can fill proyects with it. You cannot withdraw from it, only add.
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  • starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    starmanj wrote: »
    I enjoy doing events, episodes, and TFOs, they all give Dilithium to but when you at 10mil Cap it all goes in to the BIT Bucket meaning it is gone. Someday it will be you all be in this dilemma and missing out on getting anymore Dilithium FUN. So this DIL Token idea would help in that fun.

    Dude, no offense, but if you're not even spending the tens of millions of dil you have now, what the Sam Hill is the point of an increase allowing you to hoard more? Does the shiny number really give you that much of a thrill? I honestly can't see any point here.

    The tens of millions of unrefined dil is more of concern I can not control this when it maxed cap. LOL or just not play any more. This keeps getting tossed in the Bit Bucket.
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