QoL Idea, auto upgrade items if they have Phoenix Universal Tech upgrade, pre 50?

bcstar

just a thought but with my 2 characters and Ship, Shuttle, main character, as well all my BOFFS it takes over an hour or two to un-slot each item press the upgrade several times and on to next item. if a phoenix universal tech upgrade is on all slots and it goes to the 9th ranks on some items. wouldn't it be safe to let those items just self upgrade?? if i had all 15 of my character slots filled o m g that would be a whole day of upgrading my characters alone LOL. Just an idea don't shred me, haha

darkbladejk

define "self upgrade" because most of the time you actually lose chances to upgrade rarity. Let's assume our item starts at mk ii very rare. when it comes time to upgrade, they upgrade automatically to mk iii or mk iv with no chance of ever hitting ultra rare or epic. Meaning you've lost chances to upgrade and will have to invest more in the long run. I don't like the idea of something automatically eating my upgrades just because they exist, so that's a hard no from me based off how this sounds.

bcstar

darkbladejk wrote: »

define "self upgrade" because most of the time you actually lose chances to upgrade rarity. Let's assume our item starts at mk ii very rare. when it comes time to upgrade, they upgrade automatically to mk iii or mk iv with no chance of ever hitting ultra rare or epic. Meaning you've lost chances to upgrade and will have to invest more in the long run. I don't like the idea of something automatically eating my upgrades just because they exist, so that's a hard no from me based off how this sounds.

Let me be more specific, it would only upgrade when you hit the appropriate level, secondly once you hit Very Rare on an item chances of it actually hitting Ultra rare is 5% i have upgraded quite a few items and the chances of getting that ultra rare on the 9th bing, is in-fact ultra rare in itself. just my thoughts

Just to add i have a 65 on console went to upgrade items to sell on the market once you hit that 5% say at rank 3 it will not go past that all the way to the 9th rank, whether that is intended or not, is speculation

darkbladejk

that's still going to be a hard no from me because of the automation. When I'm leveling up, i rarely ever use the items I would use at end game. So this has the potential to waste upgrades on items I have no interest in upgrading. As for the upgrades, you can combine an omega upgrade with a 2x research boost and it will have 40% chance to hit ultra up to mk x if it crits, and a 20% chance to hit epic. It's not guaranteed but there are ways to cheese your upgrades so they're easier. Then there's also the possibility that the auto upgrade could consume more upgrade techs than you intend for it to and waste alot of them. If one only has a limited amount of upgrades, and most of them are going to be burned on one item, meaning you can't upgrade the rest of your stuff, that's going to make folks bring out the pitch forks and torches. Way too much that could go wrong with this.

bcstar

darkbladejk wrote: »

that's still going to be a hard no from me because of the automation. When I'm leveling up, i rarely ever use the items I would use at end game. So this has the potential to waste upgrades on items I have no interest in upgrading. As for the upgrades, you can combine an omega upgrade with a 2x research boost and it will have 40% chance to hit ultra up to mk x if it crits, and a 20% chance to hit epic. It's not guaranteed but there are ways to cheese your upgrades so they're easier. Then there's also the possibility that the auto upgrade could consume more upgrade techs than you intend for it to and waste alot of them. If one only has a limited amount of upgrades, and most of them are going to be burned on one item, meaning you can't upgrade the rest of your stuff, that's going to make folks bring out the pitch forks and torches. Way too much that could go wrong with this.

Fair enough i mostly use my tech upgrades to play pre 50 so I don't have to chase specific gear... Just craft what i need and go 1 upgrade per item, is reasonable for me because it saves me time not worrying about my gear and focusing on other things like story or patrols etc etc. remember i said pre 50, and i mean as for it being Automatic couldn't you toggle something like that and have a disclaimer you know it could have very results before you agree to it?

i didn't mean this for end game at all just to level, but i do see your point

strathkin

darkbladejk wrote: »

that's still going to be a hard no from me because of the automation. When I'm leveling up, i rarely ever use the items I would use at end game. So this has the potential to waste upgrades on items I have no interest in upgrading. As for the upgrades, you can combine an omega upgrade with a 2x research boost and it will have 40% chance to hit ultra up to mk x if it crits, and a 20% chance to hit epic. It's not guaranteed but there are ways to cheese your upgrades so they're easier. Then there's also the possibility that the auto upgrade could consume more upgrade techs than you intend for it to and waste alot of them. If one only has a limited amount of upgrades, and most of them are going to be burned on one item, meaning you can't upgrade the rest of your stuff, that's going to make folks bring out the pitch forks and torches. Way too much that could go wrong with this.

I'd agree with darkbladejk, in that prefer to keep Phoenix just as it is.

While Upgrades with phoenix rarely happen at Very Rare, while upgrading it still does happen. I also don't find it very difficult to unslot the items, and then just drag the upgrade I want to apply.

NOTE: If you concern is while being Promoted from Lt, to Lt Cmdr, Cmdr, Captain, Rear Advice thru Admiral, you really should be using Basic, Improved or Superior Upgrades while you level. If you don't you may skip by some ranks the item might be required for cause they award a lot of Technology Points.

Also If you're a new low level Character and have another toon with R&D at least 15-20 in the various schools, sometimes it's easier to craft the lower lower Mk levels items as you go. Yet no matter what you do it's going to require a few steps.

Kind Regards,

bcstar

strathkin wrote: »

darkbladejk wrote: »

that's still going to be a hard no from me because of the automation. When I'm leveling up, i rarely ever use the items I would use at end game. So this has the potential to waste upgrades on items I have no interest in upgrading. As for the upgrades, you can combine an omega upgrade with a 2x research boost and it will have 40% chance to hit ultra up to mk x if it crits, and a 20% chance to hit epic. It's not guaranteed but there are ways to cheese your upgrades so they're easier. Then there's also the possibility that the auto upgrade could consume more upgrade techs than you intend for it to and waste alot of them. If one only has a limited amount of upgrades, and most of them are going to be burned on one item, meaning you can't upgrade the rest of your stuff, that's going to make folks bring out the pitch forks and torches. Way too much that could go wrong with this.

I'd agree with darkbladejk, in that prefer to keep Phoenix just as it is.

While Upgrades with phoenix rarely happen at Very Rare, while upgrading it still does happen. I also don't find it very difficult to unslot the items, and then just drag the upgrade I want to apply.

NOTE: If you concern is while being Promoted from Lt, to Lt Cmdr, Cmdr, Captain, Rear Advice thru Admiral, you really should be using Basic, Improved or Superior Upgrades while you level. If you don't you may skip by some ranks the item might be required for cause they award a lot of Technology Points.

Also If you're level 15-20 and have another toon with R&D at least 15-20 in the various schools, sometimes it's easier to craft the item each lower Mk levels. Yet no matter what you do it's going to require a few steps.

Kind Regards,

that is a very good call, ill post my loadout from my lvl 15 in a few minutes So you can see why i asked this question. but again i do understand the point of keeping it as is.

foxrockssocks

I see zero value in upgrading anything during the leveling process, at least unless they are free to upgrade of course. Yes that means I get my characters to 65 often with some mk 2 consoles and a rainbow array of weapons of various mark levels.

For items that upgrade for free, it would be nice if they auto upgraded until its no longer free.

davefenestrator

strathkin wrote: »

NOTE: If you concern is while being Promoted from Lt, to Lt Cmdr, Cmdr, Captain, Rear Advice thru Admiral, you really should be using Basic, Improved or Superior Upgrades while you level. If you don't you may skip by some ranks the item might be required for cause they award a lot of Technology Points.

Also If you're level 15-20 and have another toon with R&D at least 15-20 in the various schools, sometimes it's easier to craft the item each lower Mk levels. Yet no matter what you do it's going to require a few steps.,

Crafting at Mark II VR is something I recommend for level up gear. That gives you 10 cheap chances for an upgrade to UR or epic on the way to Mark XII.

A tac console, shield capacity console, and Neutronium defense console will be useful even at endgame, until you replace them with fleet or reputation gear. There are some good kit modules for each profession like Nanite Health Monitor for Science, a grenade for tac, a turret and mortar for eng.

With mark II weapons you can use cheap mats and fast crafting time you can make them by the dozen to get useful mods like PEN, OVER (beams), RAPID (cannons) and SPREAD (torps). You'll never get those mods from re-engineering or when quality improves.

I disagree about using basic or improved upgrades, because they waste a lot of dil. If you buy Phoenix 10-packs you'll get around 13 tech upgrades for 40,000 dil.

That gives you the same upgrade points as 52 Superior tech upgrades which require 55,900 dil to use. Or 133 improved upgrades which require 126,350. Or 332 Basic upgrades requiring 232,400 dil(!!!).

Unless you're really certain you're going to throw away low-level gear after 1 upgrade, using anything other than Phoenix is usually a bad idea.

darkbladejk

I should also mention something that I've used before. There is a vendor on ESD, Qonos and the other areas, anywhere with a shipyard really, that sells vendor items you can use while leveling. The items start at mk i then go to mk iii, mk v, and increase by 2 levels each until you get to mk ix. they're white quality items, but will fill the slots until you find something better. This will save you a ton of investment at the lower levels until you can get higher quality stuff. If you're playing on normal and have a basic coherent build then you shouldn't have any problems, even if you run with no consoles.

Another method is you can claim weapons like the leveless phasers from the t1 Enterprise replica, or even the Advanced Phasers/Disruptors if you have access to them. You don't really need much to get through the lower levels.

As for what upgrades to use, you can slap an experimental beam upgrade and a 2x research boost on a weapon and have a 20% chance to flip to ultra rare and 10% chance to hit epic all the way to mk viii or potentially ix if it crits. if you have omega upgrades that combo doubles the chances to 40% and 20% respectively. The experimental upgrades are good if you want to start upgrading a lower level weapon, otherwise I generally don't recommend any of the standard upgrade tokens. Phoenix techs by and large will be cheaper, especially when bought in bulk, work on any item type, and give a fair amount of points towards upgrades and research. I consider the standard tech upgrades mainly as an emergency backup incase I ever did run out of phoenix techs.

If the concern is your gear not keeping up with your toon, which seems to be a root issue here, then there are ways around said issue.

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gaevsman

In my case, i have an "upgrader" char, that does upgrades and re-eing for my entire account, also, for my family, auto upgrade will kill me in an instant...

phoenixc

gaevsman wrote: »

In my case, i have an "upgrader" char, that does upgrades and re-eing for my entire account, also, for my family, auto upgrade will kill me in an instant...

I don't have a specific "upgrader" character but I do craft things for my lower level characters on a higher level one and throw a phoenix upgrade on it before passing it to the lower level character for convenience the way they shoot up though levels, and an autoupgrade function would make that problematic to say the least. They would need a new toggle property in the item's menu for "auto upgrade if sufficient tech points" to make it practical and I really don't see them wanting to clutter up the database with it.

strathkin

corinthalas wrote: »

I like the idea of an 'uncommon tier' phoenix prize that can turn any item into autoscaling -- it's *SUPPOSED* to be free to upgrade items to MKXII, but many, many items aren't, so this would at least be a reasonable compromise. It's not free, but it's cheap and accessible enough that it's not a big deal.

On the other end of the upgrade spectrum, I've found myself wondering why there isn't a rare-prize version of the phoenix upgrade that focuses on *quality* improvement like there is for the omega upgrades.

Actually they do not, only a few items auto upgrade to Mk XII, and they will all have the infinity logo on them. There was one other they included a free upgrade to Mk XIV the Cyclic Weapons from an Event in the past.

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davefenestrator

corinthalas wrote: »

strathkin wrote: »

corinthalas wrote: »

I like the idea of an 'uncommon tier' phoenix prize that can turn any item into autoscaling -- it's *SUPPOSED* to be free to upgrade items to MKXII, but many, many items aren't, so this would at least be a reasonable compromise. It's not free, but it's cheap and accessible enough that it's not a big deal.

On the other end of the upgrade spectrum, I've found myself wondering why there isn't a rare-prize version of the phoenix upgrade that focuses on *quality* improvement like there is for the omega upgrades.

Actually they do not, only a few items auto upgrade to Mk XII, and they will all have the infinity logo on them. There was one other they included a free upgrade to Mk XIV the Cyclic Weapons from an Event in the past.

You misunderstood -- the game's own tooltips say that items can be freely upgraded to MKXII. *SOME* can be, but many cannot, and there's no indication of which ones can or can't. So a simple item to give any item the 'autoscale' MK would be a happy middle ground. It's not free, but it's not that pricey either.

Are you saying the tooltip for all gear now claims it can be "freely upgraded to MCXII"? Or some specific gear like episode or event rewards that were designed that way?

vetteguy904

darkbladejk wrote: »

that's still going to be a hard no from me because of the automation. When I'm leveling up, i rarely ever use the items I would use at end game. So this has the potential to waste upgrades on items I have no interest in upgrading. As for the upgrades, you can combine an omega upgrade with a 2x research boost and it will have 40% chance to hit ultra up to mk x if it crits, and a 20% chance to hit epic. It's not guaranteed but there are ways to cheese your upgrades so they're easier. Then there's also the possibility that the auto upgrade could consume more upgrade techs than you intend for it to and waste alot of them. If one only has a limited amount of upgrades, and most of them are going to be burned on one item, meaning you can't upgrade the rest of your stuff, that's going to make folks bring out the pitch forks and torches. Way too much that could go wrong with this.

I'm not sure I'm following. I have a MkII whatever at VR. I toss on a phoenix upgrade and a RP boost and it's almost guaranteed that it will pop to UR, since the uncommon boost sends the chance to around 25% and the rare to 40-50%.

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strathkin

corinthalas wrote: »

strathkin wrote: »

corinthalas wrote: »

I like the idea of an 'uncommon tier' phoenix prize that can turn any item into autoscaling -- it's *SUPPOSED* to be free to upgrade items to MKXII, but many, many items aren't, so this would at least be a reasonable compromise. It's not free, but it's cheap and accessible enough that it's not a big deal.

On the other end of the upgrade spectrum, I've found myself wondering why there isn't a rare-prize version of the phoenix upgrade that focuses on *quality* improvement like there is for the omega upgrades.

Actually they do not, only a few items auto upgrade to Mk XII, and they will all have the infinity logo on them. There was one other they included a free upgrade to Mk XIV the Cyclic Weapons from an Event in the past.

You misunderstood -- the game's own tooltips say that items can be freely upgraded to MKXII. *SOME* can be, but many cannot, and there's no indication of which ones can or can't. So a simple item to give any item the 'autoscale' MK would be a happy middle ground. It's not free, but it's not that pricey either.

Oh I understand now, yes the common weapons purchased at Ship Vendor typically can't be I believe, just meant for the immediate level you're on as a affordable option to get your ship outfitted.

Any Uncommon, Rare or Very Rare Weapons from Missions however generally are. I understand, though I think if you have a CSTORE version of the Ship, while they come with uncommon as well they have the infinity logo so you can use them till you get to Mk XII. Then you're best to replace with Uncommon, Rare, or Very Rare versions from Missions or Crafted (either purchased or made yourself by an Alt) I believe.

Thank You, for clarifying...

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