What I would have liked to see them do is swap the ships Miracle Worker and Intel specs, make it a full MW ship with an Intel secondary, that' is an extremely powerful combination (it's one of the things that makes the Vaadwaur Juggernaut so strong) and would have helped supplement the missing hangar bays. The game has an abundance of Intel ships as it is, another full MW spec would have been nice here.
Still that comment above is very fair criticism, while also pointing out it's not too shabby either.
I can't say if having Intel Commander, and Miracle Worker Lt Cmdr will make a great difference or not, perhaps this was intentional however because Vaadwaur don't have Battle Cloak either! It may not be be quite the same, but it has other similar higher Hull & Shield Modifiers as the Juggernaut, and also has twice the turn rate of 12 not 6. So individuals just need to decide if they like the Ship, and consider what's offered...
*sigh*
This is clearly a good ship, even if it's not the Kelvin or Disco variant.
I just want to restate, my opinion of wanting to see the ships primary spec swapped was based on nothing by my personal preference. While there is a pretty good assortment of both full Intel and full MW ships available in the C-Store, MW seems to be generally considered the ‘most desirable,’ and being that this is a Legendary Ship and it’s expensive (by comparison) it feels like giving it the most desired spec is in order.
Again though, this is based on my own opinion. I believe the ship stats as they are now are fine.. the ship is good, it’s capable, it’s fairly flexible it’s just somewhat unremarkable outside of being ‘A D7.’ I believe it will sell either way, I would have just preferred to see the two specialization swapped, it feels to me like full MW would have helped augment the overall value of the ship. For those that just ‘want a D7’ though, it makes no difference either way.
So the question boils down to if there are enough players turned off by the intel primary spec to make it worth it to go back and swap to MW primary.
My guess would be no, but we'll see.
Personally, I am expecting to see these things everywhere once it drops. My gut says it will sell huge despite not being the most optimal choice available. I think a lot of people were sold at 'account wide D7.'
Well the same could be said about the Walker Class its not iconic ect...
It was the hero ship of the first two episodes of Discovery, and played a big part during the MU arc. Its much more iconic then most ships.
In other words it is only slightly more iconic than the Nova/Rhode Island class which also featured prominently in two episodes (Equinox 1&2), has an important if short part in a third (Endgame), and is in the background of several others (Shockwave, Future Tense, and Anzati Prime).
This is clearly a good ship, even if it's not the Kelvin or Disco variant.
Personally I would have preferred it had the Romulan markings, in fact the very first time that model was shown it was the Romulan version, and intel would have been perfect for that.
So the question boils down to if there are enough players turned off by the intel primary spec to make it worth it to go back and swap to MW primary.
My guess would be no, but we'll see.
Personally, I am expecting to see these things everywhere once it drops. My gut says it will sell huge despite not being the most optimal choice available. I think a lot of people were sold at 'account wide D7.'
Well the same could be said about the Walker Class its not iconic ect...
It was the hero ship of the first two episodes of Discovery, and played a big part during the MU arc. Its much more iconic then most ships.
In other words it is only slightly more iconic than the Nova/Rhode Island class which also featured prominently in two episodes (Equinox 1&2), has an important if short part in a third (Endgame), and is in the background of several others (Shockwave, Future Tense, and Anzati Prime).
This is clearly a good ship, even if it's not the Kelvin or Disco variant.
Personally I would have preferred it had the Romulan markings, in fact the very first time that model was shown it was the Romulan version, and intel would have been perfect for that.
It has a Romulan skin, this is the only one tht have it..
Well the same could be said about the Walker Class its not iconic ect...
It was the hero ship of the first two episodes of Discovery, and played a big part during the MU arc. Its much more iconic then most ships.
In other words it is only slightly more iconic than the Nova/Rhode Island class which also featured prominently in two episodes (Equinox 1&2), has an important if short part in a third (Endgame), and is in the background of several others (Shockwave, Future Tense, and Anzati Prime).
This is clearly a good ship, even if it's not the Kelvin or Disco variant.
Personally I would have preferred it had the Romulan markings, in fact the very first time that model was shown it was the Romulan version, and intel would have been perfect for that.
It has a Romulan skin, this is the only one tht have it..
Cool I must have missed that. I did not pay enough attention because it is priced so far out of my range (assuming it is priced like the other legendries so far) I guess.
Well the same could be said about the Walker Class its not iconic ect...
It was the hero ship of the first two episodes of Discovery, and played a big part during the MU arc. Its much more iconic then most ships.
In other words it is only slightly more iconic than the Nova/Rhode Island class which also featured prominently in two episodes (Equinox 1&2), has an important if short part in a third (Endgame), and is in the background of several others (Shockwave, Future Tense, and Anzati Prime).
This is clearly a good ship, even if it's not the Kelvin or Disco variant.
Personally I would have preferred it had the Romulan markings, in fact the very first time that model was shown it was the Romulan version, and intel would have been perfect for that.
It has a Romulan skin, this is the only one tht have it..
Cool I must have missed that. I did not pay enough attention because it is priced so far out of my range (assuming it is priced like the other legendries so far) I guess.
6000z on introductory price.. that's the only reason to but it.. not at full price, i have already 5000 zen, just need to charge 1000 more and i'm set to go..
You could choose to use the Lt. Cmdr as SCI though, still it offers various options with two Universal seats.
I would have loved it to had Miracle Worker as Primary as well, same as @seaofsorrows stated. Still I think they decided to not do that cause of Battlecloak included damage bonus.
I would have loved it to had Miracle Worker as Primary as well, same as @seaofsorrows stated. Still I think they decided to not do that cause of Battlecloak included damage bonus.
I'd also like full spec Miracle Worker with Intel Lt. Comm, as I would guess most people interested in a energy weapon build on the D7 would also want. As for Battle Cloak, the Qugh is full spec Miracle Worker and has Battle Cloak, so it's likely not that being the hold up. The best guess I've seen is that this D7 would end up being too close to the Inquiry Battle Cruiser if the specs were reversed. They've said on streams that they keep a list of ships they've released and try to avoid releasing ships too close in details to each other, so that seems plausible, even if it was a Fed ship from September in a different release method.
I'd also like full spec Miracle Worker with Intel Lt. Comm, as I would guess most people interested in a energy weapon build on the D7 would also want. As for Battle Cloak, the Qugh is full spec Miracle Worker and has Battle Cloak, so it's likely not that being the hold up. The best guess I've seen is that this D7 would end up being too close to the Inquiry Battle Cruiser if the specs were reversed
I'm sure they well think out many decisions, I think had they gone full MW, it be too close to the Fleet Qugh, or Inquiry...
Many of my toons already use the Fleet Qugh, so this will give the option of something different. Still as I said I think this is a very fine ship.
I'd also like full spec Miracle Worker with Intel Lt. Comm, as I would guess most people interested in a energy weapon build on the D7 would also want. As for Battle Cloak, the Qugh is full spec Miracle Worker and has Battle Cloak, so it's likely not that being the hold up. The best guess I've seen is that this D7 would end up being too close to the Inquiry Battle Cruiser if the specs were reversed
I'm sure they well think out many decisions, I think had they gone full MW, it be too close to the Fleet Qugh, or Inquiry...
Many of my toons already use the Fleet Qugh, so this will give the option of something different. Still as I said I think this is a very fine ship.
It will likely do well for various reasons.
Yeah, probably picking up one myself, as even with Intel/MW instead of MW/Intel it still comes out better in my eyes than the Temporal/Intel version and way better than the Fleet no-spec version, and this will be an account unlock to boot.
I'd also like full spec Miracle Worker with Intel Lt. Comm, as I would guess most people interested in a energy weapon build on the D7 would also want. As for Battle Cloak, the Qugh is full spec Miracle Worker and has Battle Cloak, so it's likely not that being the hold up. The best guess I've seen is that this D7 would end up being too close to the Inquiry Battle Cruiser if the specs were reversed
I'm sure they well think out many decisions, I think had they gone full MW, it be too close to the Fleet Qugh, or Inquiry...
Many of my toons already use the Fleet Qugh, so this will give the option of something different. Still as I said I think this is a very fine ship.
It will likely do well for various reasons.
Yeah, probably picking up one myself, as even with Intel/MW instead of MW/Intel it still comes out better in my eyes than the Temporal/Intel version and way better than the Fleet no-spec version, and this will be an account unlock to boot.
True, given the longevity of the design Intel/MW would probably be more appropriate for the mainline D7, though Temporal/Intel version would be perfect for the Klolode variant that was seen in TAS (I wish they had an option for that in the kitbash parts for the D7) since it mounted that stasis weapon. The weapon itself could even be done as a variant of the three-node tractor/repeller that placates and holds in place or something similar rather than pushing the enemy ship and stripping shields.
So, are there 50% off sales on Mudd's often? Is this gonna be a one-off that appears as often as the Fed Legendary pack? Will there be another KDF Legendary pack later on?
Just having some thoughts/questions go through my head...
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So, are there 50% off sales on Mudd's often? Is this gonna be a one-off that appears as often as the Fed Legendary pack? Will there be another KDF Legendary pack later on?
Just having some thoughts/questions go through my head...
This isn't Mudd's, that's a different grift than the Legendary Bundles. My guess is that this will be like the existing Legendary Romulan Captain Bundle and Legendary Discovery-Federation Captain Bundle, and available all the time, but only rarely at a discount. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have an instant level-up token only be around part of the time.
As for more KDF Legendaries, the lack of the visuals and gear from either of the other premium D7 variants than the TOS one implies that they'll be more, but we don't how those could potentially come out, whether bundled together, bundled with another level-up token, in a pack more akin to the Mirror Galaxy-X with extra weapons and ground costumes, a bigger bundle confusingly with Fed ships(like the 11th Anniversary pack,) or some new style budget-stretching option not yet seen.
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I might've somehow missed it, but during the livestream I was hoping Kael was going to display all the ship skins but I only saw the Qo'nos One & the Romulan one. They probably skipped the others since already in-game & to save time, but sometimes part of marketing is showing-off the goods to tempt buyers.
It's a minor detail but I'll be interested in whether or not Letheans are actually part of the BOFF bundle since they were forgotten, or intentionally left out, on the official announcement.
Bought the bundle earlier today for my Klingon Recruit. Surprised the ship was an Account Unlock. Wasn't paying enough attention to the ad copy, I suppose. At 6k Zen, yeah, it was worth it. Not so sure about value at the 'regular' price. Glad to have my Recruit at 65 without standing at the wrong end of the grind. The extras in the bundle helped quite a bit with the ship loadout for him. On my mature KDF characters, this ship performed extremely well. Especially my KDF Tac.
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> @thunderfoot#5163 said: > Bought the bundle earlier today for my Klingon Recruit. Surprised the ship was an Account Unlock. Wasn't paying enough attention to the ad copy, I suppose. At 6k Zen, yeah, it was worth it. Not so sure about value at the 'regular' price. Glad to have my Recruit at 65 without standing at the wrong end of the grind. The extras in the bundle helped quite a bit with the ship loadout for him. On my mature KDF characters, this ship performed extremely well. Especially my KDF Tac.
Z store ships, including Mudd's when ships are chosen, are always reclaimable across the account. Glad you're enjoying!
After reevaluating extra finances and just how much I wanted an Account-wide D7, I got the pack after all. I still have no clue what to do with the Level pack, my recruit and other KDF chars are already better geared than the pack gives. Maybe I'll bank it for a potential Delta Recruit or some other future KDF.
It is a solid ship, decent durability, good speed and punch. And I did not realize until now how much fun Surgical Strikes, Narrow Sensor Bands, and Mixed Armament Synergy are when used together! (Never had that combo of seats before.)
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Bought the bundle earlier today for my Klingon Recruit. Surprised the ship was an Account Unlock. Wasn't paying enough attention to the ad copy, I suppose. At 6k Zen, yeah, it was worth it. Not so sure about value at the 'regular' price. Glad to have my Recruit at 65 without standing at the wrong end of the grind. The extras in the bundle helped quite a bit with the ship loadout for him. On my mature KDF characters, this ship performed extremely well. Especially my KDF Tac.
> @thunderfoot#5163 said:
> Bought the bundle earlier today for my Klingon Recruit. Surprised the ship was an Account Unlock. Wasn't paying enough attention to the ad copy, I suppose. At 6k Zen, yeah, it was worth it. Not so sure about value at the 'regular' price. Glad to have my Recruit at 65 without standing at the wrong end of the grind. The extras in the bundle helped quite a bit with the ship loadout for him. On my mature KDF characters, this ship performed extremely well. Especially my KDF Tac.
Z store ships, including Mudd's when ships are chosen, are always reclaimable across the account. Glad you're enjoying!
After reevaluating extra finances and just how much I wanted an Account-wide D7, I got the pack after all. I still have no clue what to do with the Level pack, my recruit and other KDF chars are already better geared than the pack gives. Maybe I'll bank it for a potential Delta Recruit or some other future KDF.
It is a solid ship, decent durability, good speed and punch. And I did not realize until now how much fun Surgical Strikes, Narrow Sensor Bands, and Mixed Armament Synergy are when used together! (Never had that combo of seats before.)
Good to hear upon both accounts. Persuades me that much more to perhaps bite the bullet & buy this pack even though the level boost portion I think is lacking.
Personally, I am expecting to see these things everywhere once it drops. My gut says it will sell huge despite not being the most optimal choice available. I think a lot of people were sold at 'account wide D7.'
Well, this definitely looks to have come true.
Obviously, I don't have any sales data, but it looks like this pack was a huge seller for Cryptic. The day it went live, Qo'nos was packed with D7's and I have seen a good amount of them since the pack went on sale.
Love it or hate it, looks like Cryptic hit the jackpot. Overall, a good thing for the game as a whole, so well done to them.
> @seaofsorrows said: > Well, this definitely looks to have come true. > > Obviously, I don't have any sales data, but it looks like this pack was a huge seller for Cryptic. The day it went live, Qo'nos was packed with D7's and I have seen a good amount of them since the pack went on sale. > > Love it or hate it, looks like Cryptic hit the jackpot. Overall, a good thing for the game as a whole, so well done to them.
I can only confirm that. Lots of D7 around.
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I just want to restate, my opinion of wanting to see the ships primary spec swapped was based on nothing by my personal preference. While there is a pretty good assortment of both full Intel and full MW ships available in the C-Store, MW seems to be generally considered the ‘most desirable,’ and being that this is a Legendary Ship and it’s expensive (by comparison) it feels like giving it the most desired spec is in order.
Again though, this is based on my own opinion. I believe the ship stats as they are now are fine.. the ship is good, it’s capable, it’s fairly flexible it’s just somewhat unremarkable outside of being ‘A D7.’ I believe it will sell either way, I would have just preferred to see the two specialization swapped, it feels to me like full MW would have helped augment the overall value of the ship. For those that just ‘want a D7’ though, it makes no difference either way.
My guess would be no, but we'll see.
Personally, I am expecting to see these things everywhere once it drops. My gut says it will sell huge despite not being the most optimal choice available. I think a lot of people were sold at 'account wide D7.'
Time will tell.
In other words it is only slightly more iconic than the Nova/Rhode Island class which also featured prominently in two episodes (Equinox 1&2), has an important if short part in a third (Endgame), and is in the background of several others (Shockwave, Future Tense, and Anzati Prime).
Personally I would have preferred it had the Romulan markings, in fact the very first time that model was shown it was the Romulan version, and intel would have been perfect for that.
I'm one of those..
It has a Romulan skin, this is the only one tht have it..
Cool
6000z on introductory price.. that's the only reason to but it.. not at full price, i have already 5000 zen, just need to charge 1000 more and i'm set to go..
Personally I would have preferred it had more Romulan markings, or perhaps something on the bottom... ...yet maybe it does as we really can't tell.
Bridge Officer Stations:
Lieutenant Commander Tactical, Commander Engineering / Intelligence, Lieutenant Science,
Ensign Universal, Lieutenant Commander Universal / Miracle Worker
You could choose to use the Lt. Cmdr as SCI though, still it offers various options with two Universal seats.
I would have loved it to had Miracle Worker as Primary as well, same as @seaofsorrows stated. Still I think they decided to not do that cause of Battlecloak included damage bonus.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ability:_Battle_Cloak
I'd also like full spec Miracle Worker with Intel Lt. Comm, as I would guess most people interested in a energy weapon build on the D7 would also want. As for Battle Cloak, the Qugh is full spec Miracle Worker and has Battle Cloak, so it's likely not that being the hold up. The best guess I've seen is that this D7 would end up being too close to the Inquiry Battle Cruiser if the specs were reversed. They've said on streams that they keep a list of ships they've released and try to avoid releasing ships too close in details to each other, so that seems plausible, even if it was a Fed ship from September in a different release method.
I'm sure they well think out many decisions, I think had they gone full MW, it be too close to the Fleet Qugh, or Inquiry...
Many of my toons already use the Fleet Qugh, so this will give the option of something different. Still as I said I think this is a very fine ship.
It will likely do well for various reasons.
Yeah, probably picking up one myself, as even with Intel/MW instead of MW/Intel it still comes out better in my eyes than the Temporal/Intel version and way better than the Fleet no-spec version, and this will be an account unlock to boot.
True, given the longevity of the design Intel/MW would probably be more appropriate for the mainline D7, though Temporal/Intel version would be perfect for the Klolode variant that was seen in TAS (I wish they had an option for that in the kitbash parts for the D7) since it mounted that stasis weapon. The weapon itself could even be done as a variant of the three-node tractor/repeller that placates and holds in place or something similar rather than pushing the enemy ship and stripping shields.
Just having some thoughts/questions go through my head...
This isn't Mudd's, that's a different grift than the Legendary Bundles. My guess is that this will be like the existing Legendary Romulan Captain Bundle and Legendary Discovery-Federation Captain Bundle, and available all the time, but only rarely at a discount. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have an instant level-up token only be around part of the time.
As for more KDF Legendaries, the lack of the visuals and gear from either of the other premium D7 variants than the TOS one implies that they'll be more, but we don't how those could potentially come out, whether bundled together, bundled with another level-up token, in a pack more akin to the Mirror Galaxy-X with extra weapons and ground costumes, a bigger bundle confusingly with Fed ships(like the 11th Anniversary pack,) or some new style budget-stretching option not yet seen.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I might've somehow missed it, but during the livestream I was hoping Kael was going to display all the ship skins but I only saw the Qo'nos One & the Romulan one. They probably skipped the others since already in-game & to save time, but sometimes part of marketing is showing-off the goods to tempt buyers.
It's a minor detail but I'll be interested in whether or not Letheans are actually part of the BOFF bundle since they were forgotten, or intentionally left out, on the official announcement.
> Bought the bundle earlier today for my Klingon Recruit. Surprised the ship was an Account Unlock. Wasn't paying enough attention to the ad copy, I suppose. At 6k Zen, yeah, it was worth it. Not so sure about value at the 'regular' price. Glad to have my Recruit at 65 without standing at the wrong end of the grind. The extras in the bundle helped quite a bit with the ship loadout for him. On my mature KDF characters, this ship performed extremely well. Especially my KDF Tac.
Z store ships, including Mudd's when ships are chosen, are always reclaimable across the account. Glad you're enjoying!
After reevaluating extra finances and just how much I wanted an Account-wide D7, I got the pack after all. I still have no clue what to do with the Level pack, my recruit and other KDF chars are already better geared than the pack gives. Maybe I'll bank it for a potential Delta Recruit or some other future KDF.
It is a solid ship, decent durability, good speed and punch. And I did not realize until now how much fun Surgical Strikes, Narrow Sensor Bands, and Mixed Armament Synergy are when used together! (Never had that combo of seats before.)
Good to hear upon both accounts. Persuades me that much more to perhaps bite the bullet & buy this pack even though the level boost portion I think is lacking.
Well, this definitely looks to have come true.
Obviously, I don't have any sales data, but it looks like this pack was a huge seller for Cryptic. The day it went live, Qo'nos was packed with D7's and I have seen a good amount of them since the pack went on sale.
Love it or hate it, looks like Cryptic hit the jackpot. Overall, a good thing for the game as a whole, so well done to them.
> Well, this definitely looks to have come true.
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> Obviously, I don't have any sales data, but it looks like this pack was a huge seller for Cryptic. The day it went live, Qo'nos was packed with D7's and I have seen a good amount of them since the pack went on sale.
>
> Love it or hate it, looks like Cryptic hit the jackpot. Overall, a good thing for the game as a whole, so well done to them.
I can only confirm that. Lots of D7 around.
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