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Why is it called RANDOM TFO when its not actually random?
n0vastarone
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It's the same 3 or 4 TFOS that people cheese non stop. It should be called Auto-fill or Auto-join, because random denotes I am queueing for a completely random tfo, not a fill for others looking.
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It does the same if you are in a full group already.
The problem with this system is that it takes people already queued and add you to their group.
This is done to avoid having people waiting too much for a queue to pop, but it can results in having few queues just going on on repeat, while others pop way less frequently - if at all.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
The Random TFO system is a joke. They should split it into two queues: an Auto-fill TFO queue and a truly random TFO queue. At the very least they should stop calling it Random, and instead call it Auto-fill as the OP suggested.
I have stopped joining the "Random" queue at this point because I am so sick of playing the same three TFO's over and over again because for whatever reason, someone is always queuing for Starbase One.
The system is working perfectly as planned, but it has this side effect of deterring players like me from using it.
That being said... as it does fill in open slots, more often than not you're probably going to get some of the more popular ones. Although a recent Random I did actually threw me a curveball and stuck me in an Undine Assault.
That said, I would ALSO like to see a truly "random" option added. Both should exist, IMO. And both can actually work together. Say I click the "random" button and it picks someone queue that no one else is queued for. At that point anyone who clicks the "fill existing queue" option would start getting put in my random queue.
That would allow the people who actually want something random to get it, and also allow the people who are willing to be put anywhere to do that too.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
One of the worst features the devs did was remove the UI to see how many people are queued up for what. I know it was never 100% accurate but that single UI change ruined TFO running for me and a lot of people. It killed off an entire part of the community. I still wish they would bring it back so I could run TFO's again. That change massively lowered quality of life for me.
EDIT: Reading below it looks like I am wrong and there was a change to Random TFO's that I missed.
While you still get the popup with the option to decline the TFO, it doesn't tell you which TFO it is if you're queued for a random TFO.
I wonder what the people in chat are talking about when declining to do random Defense of Star base. I should have asked them to explain in more detail as I just assumed they where using the private tab "feature"
Never worked well for me...if I queue for something other than the typical popular ones I'm still left sitting for a half hour or more
So if I want some rep gear I either do randoms and get all my marks from boxes and I'm forced to waste 100s to sometimes over a 1000 marks just to get the advanced tokens needed. Or I could sit for hours hoping I maybe get 1 or 2 tokens from queues
If it's going to be "random" it should be random...not fill up popular queues because they're missing a player
infected space, starbase 1, borg disconnected and “Peril Over Pahvo” usually. often times its just borg borg borg borg borg ds9 ground.
When you queue for specific queues the system looks for folks who are also set for that specific queue. In this case lets assume there is a group queued for Starbase One. They queue specifically for that TFO only. At the same time you queue up for a random TFO. The system sees 4 people in that Starbase One TFO, and you have queued up for a random TFO, thus it puts all 5 of you together. In a slightly different scenario, let's suppose our hypothetical Starbase One group only has 3 people that specifically queued for it and you have queued for a random TFO. That's 4 people the system could put together right there which is not enough to launch the queue. Now let's suppose that 4 other people queue up for a random TFO. The system sees that a group of 4 people has queued up for a random, and that you still aren't in a run. It takes you and pairs you with the 4 that just queued and launches all 5 of you into a run.
Or in simpler terms think of it like playing Poker with deuces wild. Let's assume you have a Queen, Jack, 9, and 8 of clubs, and are waiting on the dealer to give you a new card. Your goal is to make a straight flush. In this instance there are 2 cards that could help you, the 10 of clubs, or a wild card. Either way you still make a straight flush. In TFO queue terms, think of the queue group as the 4 cards in your hand, and the folks joining the queue system as the new cards. You as the person queuing for the random are like the wild card the system needs to make a straight flush.
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Been noticing that more too...used to be easier to at least get into the original Borg tfo's and now they can take 10-15 minutes, the only one that typically doesn't take that long to get into is infected and that's because that tfo is used as the defacto "dps meter" tfo and it's rather quick and straight forward
Really I think the removed the ones who where with the most fun because for a freaking MMO where you suppose to play as a team in groups of 5 here there is nothing left what requires that other then the 2 Borg TFO's they left out. I remember Kael embarrassing himself playing Infected ground and a few days later it was taken out because it was so "difficult". Then there was the big promise that they get worked on well how long ago was that again? Gimme a break. I'm amazed they put Kithomer Ground back but i guess that happened by mistake since that needs at least teamwork of 2 people.
That's not simpler!
Guess there's not that many poker players on these forums, which is actually a bit surprising to me if that's the case
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