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The ships of Surplus Depot Z-15: Crossfield-variant?

angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
Today, I stumbled upon something interesting:

The surplus depot Z-15 from TNG's "Unification".

In the episode, the Enterprise-D was investigating the depot in order to find traces of the T'Pau. But that is not what I'm posting this for. Amongst the wreckage of the Federation depot, which includes a Klingon K'tinga, there is a rather curious ship, designated on MA as B-24-CLN. Notice something?

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I knew that the crossfield was based on a shelved Phase II design, but I actually didn't know this one showed in TNG. The round nacelles don't look bad at all. It'd make a good Kelvin-era version.​​
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,916 Arc User
    Your picture link isn't working
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    echatty wrote: »
    Your picture link isn't working

    I suspected hotlinking doesn't work, but if you click the link you get to the wiki page, it has all the pictures on it pig-1.gif

    EDIT: Should work now​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • ucgsquawk#5883 ucgsquawk Member Posts: 279 Arc User
    I believe if you look at the episode picture, right behind it is one of the design prototypes for the Excelsior (with 4 nacelles) - or at least it's close to one of the designs.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    That one I like, far far more than the actual Disco one.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,469 Arc User
    Ewww...enough with the ugly stick already! :lol: It actually look like a concept design for the Ambassador or Galaxy. The pre-release concept for the Crossfield was flatter than that.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,838 Arc User
    It was one of the concept models for McQuarrie's design for the dropped early '70s Star Trek movie Planet of Titans. It was designed before Star Trek became so formulized in its ship design, and the main bridge is actually in the "delta" hull not the saucer (the saucer was actually a mostly science section that could detach and land on planets).

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    And the saucer landed:

    0010-Enterprise+saucer+2+by+Ralph+McQuarrie.jpg

    They kept the model around and if Phase II had made it to air they probably would have made a shooting model of it to use as one of the non-hero ships similar to the way TNG used the Excelsior and Miranda quite a bit. That concept model (or one of the others, they had several with slight differences) was used in TMP in the background in spacedock also.

    It would be great c-store ship if the devs would make it (though it does need some polishing) along with the four engine "tennis racket" Excelsior concept model just astern of the Planet of Titans ship.

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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,970 Arc User
    I think there would have been less flack about the design of the U.S.S. Discovery if it looked like what Reyan is showing.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,469 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Ewww...enough with the ugly stick already! :lol: It actually look like a concept design for the Ambassador or Galaxy. The pre-release concept for the Crossfield was flatter than that.

    You mean this?
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    Yup
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,838 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Ewww...enough with the ugly stick already! :lol: It actually look like a concept design for the Ambassador or Galaxy. The pre-release concept for the Crossfield was flatter than that.

    You mean this?
    iVcHoWv.jpg

    Yup

    That one would have looked better than the Discovery that is in the show. It would be a great addition to STO if they can do it without flack from CBS.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    edited December 2020
    reyan01 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Ewww...enough with the ugly stick already! :lol: It actually look like a concept design for the Ambassador or Galaxy. The pre-release concept for the Crossfield was flatter than that.

    You mean this?
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    THAT's the one I LIKE. I can see that as a pre tos thing.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    > @phoenixc#0738 said:
    > It was one of the concept models for McQuarrie's design for the dropped early '70s Star Trek movie Planet of Titans. It was designed before Star Trek became so formulized in its ship design, and the main bridge is actually in the "delta" hull not the saucer (the saucer was actually a mostly science section that could detach and land on planets).
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    > And the saucer landed:
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    > They kept the model around and if Phase II had made it to air they probably would have made a shooting model of it to use as one of the non-hero ships similar to the way TNG used the Excelsior and Miranda quite a bit. That concept model (or one of the others, they had several with slight differences) was used in TMP in the background in spacedock also.
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    > It would be great c-store ship if the devs would make it (though it does need some polishing) along with the four engine "tennis racket" Excelsior concept model just astern of the Planet of Titans ship.

    Like the Galaxy class which' saucer was also meant to land and take off, but due to time constraints they couldn't fit the landing gear bays on the shooting model. But the eaglemoss starship magazine has the story and concept in it.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    I think there would have been less flack about the design of the U.S.S. Discovery if it looked like what Reyan is showing.

    When it was first revealed I remember that design being met with a lot of hatred as well, I personally don't think it looks any better than the design they ultimately went with. It's the wedge shaped secondary hull that ruins it for me, and this design already had that.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,838 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    I think there would have been less flack about the design of the U.S.S. Discovery if it looked like what Reyan is showing.

    When it was first revealed I remember that design being met with a lot of hatred as well, I personally don't think it looks any better than the design they ultimately went with. It's the wedge shaped secondary hull that ruins it for me, and this design already had that.

    The wedge is not the secondary hull on the Planet of Titans ship, it is the primary hull. It is a mid 23rd century descendent of the "warp delta" ships you occasionally see in ENT (one of which was featured in the beginning credits), modified with a neck and the saucer secondary hull perched on its nose.

    The script for the movie was available a long time ago which mentioned that reversal of the usual arrangement.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    It's the stupid long engines I don't like.
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