I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
What corny parts are those? I am not being challenging, just curious.
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
i just love it when people argue about dated effects of a show over 50 years ago.
your statement is invalid.
His statement is not invalid. I also do not like TOS, I do not loathe it or hate it, seeing its historical impact on television history, its tackling of societal topics, and the interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura. I understand that the effects and art style are from a show over 50 years ago (which are dated since they come from that time period and would not fly now) but also know it was a low-budget or shoe string production due to technical difficulties involving lighting during that time as well as other issues. I have watched some episodes that are remastered and it has helped immensely. The style in my opinion works with TAS but not TOS. Still my favorite series is Star Trek: The Next Generation. You are free to like TOS, its art style, and/or its special effects but saying someone's statement is invalid is a big no-no just because you disagree with them.
Now, to get back to this thread being about Ten Forward Weekly. Thanks Som for the repost from Reddit and some nice tidbits of information in there.
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
What corny parts are those? I am not being challenging, just curious.
Wel, i meant campy.. like the gorn fight and the rubber suits... the customes.. even the colorful uniforms.. yellybean buttons?? almost every chapter they end laughting?. Yes, some of the stories are good, but i dont see things with rosetinted glases, i grow up watching TOS, it was great when i was a kid.. but now, i can hardly watch it, even at season 2 of TNG was kinda lame.. I'm trully a fan, i love a lot of the ST concepts, but i'm very objective about it, that's why i'm ok with DSC aestethics, thou i understand the nostalgia that people feel when they see the old TOS ones..
Loathe is a strong word. Loathing takes energy. Things you dislike are not worth energy.
TOS is bad. Effects, tone, Shatner. It's all just bad. But I respect it for its impact and for starting up the franchise. And crossovers to that era can certainly be fun.
It is not worth the energy to loathe. But it stays off my shelves.
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
What corny parts are those? I am not being challenging, just curious.
Wel, i meant campy.. like the gorn fight and the rubber suits... the customes.. even the colorful uniforms.. yellybean buttons?? almost every chapter they end laughting?. Yes, some of the stories are good, but i dont see things with rosetinted glases, i grow up watching TOS, it was great when i was a kid.. but now, i can hardly watch it, even at season 2 of TNG was kinda lame.. I'm trully a fan, i love a lot of the ST concepts, but i'm very objective about it, that's why i'm ok with DSC aestethics, thou i understand the nostalgia that people feel when they see the old TOS ones..
I can see what you mean, though the special effects and props did hold up better over time than things like Space:1999, Lost in Space, and other stuff from that general era. I started watching Space:1999 again a few months ago and could not get though more than a few episodes it was so hokey and trite seeming now.
There is an interesting piece of trivia about those TOS jewel buttons, they were originally supposed to extrude from the surface of the station (using a crossfade sequence) depending upon the preferences of the person sitting watch at the station, and did not represent simple on-off buttons but rather solid state direction-of-pressure sensitive analog controls rather like joystick tophats or trackballs.
Watch Sulu's hands and you will see that, he maneuvers more by rocking his hand on the buttons instead of pushing them like keys (though he does that too with his other hand). That, and the fact that they were going for a clean minimalist look, is the reason they did not just use off-the-shelf button arrays like the movies did later on.
When the LCARS-like transparencies turned out to be unusable because they burned too fast with the hot lights behind them they dropped the idea of swapping the panels depending on who was at the station since the viewers would not notice the difference on the low-res TV at the time without the LCARS equivalent lit up.
They kind of went to real world aircraft carriers for the colorful uniform tunic idea, the uniform actually boiled down to black pants or tights and a black shirt with an overtunic of the department color over it (the female version had two tunics available, one that was sweater-like like the male ones and the other which was minidress-like with a cheerleader-uniform-like bottom under the skirt edge).
The realworld costumes were not actually constructed that way in all the variations (with most the shirt was fake, just a collar sewn onto the tunic which was actually too hot to wear anything underneath), and you never see any of the women without the overtunic (in fact most of the female extras didn't even have the tights, they wore the nylons they came to the studio in and often the calls said to bring their own plain black boots if they had them which is why many of the extras of either sex wore a variety of boots).
In the lore the uniforms were supposed to be made of "Xenylon" an algae-based smart fabric that was capable of limited temperature control as shown in Spock's Brain where Kirk told the landing party to make sure their uniforms were set to maintain 72 degrees in the rather cold forty degree temperature of the landing site (Fahrenheit of course).
The funny thing is that while the US of the 1960s is usually seen as some kind of hippy party decade it was not that different from today, with much the same amount of internal division and tension, and even more international strife. The economic boom of the 1950s was starting to fade (though average prosperity was still better than today) and instead of cyber attacks and natural pandemics the cold war with its threat of nuclear annihilation, the Vietnam war, and drugs were the big issues.
There was even the left/right political division though it was not as much in DC politics as it was a very heavy weight of traditional social roles on one side and the generally younger counterculture people on the other with an intensity not seen again until the last decade or so. The names of the sides and details of the issues are different of course but the framework was much the same in a sort of forty to sixty year cycle with the Roaring '20s, the sexual revolution '60s and the cyber-tribalistic present day so we are at much the same point again today.
Star Trek TOS was meant to be a kind of rebellious upbeat example of hope back in the day (which is the direct opposite of most movie sci-fi of the time, which tended to run to horror flicks with rubber space monsters or Orwellian style phycological horror).
DSC on the other hand is very generic and typical of today's TV sci-fi and just goes with the cynical downbeat flow. Hope probably seems rather hokey nowadays since it is not supported by todays music or much of anything else but it is not totally out of fashion as the reaction to Pike in s2 DSC shows, so a properly done series (like hopefully SNW will be) using the same kind of basis would work today.
I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
What corny parts are those? I am not being challenging, just curious.
Wel, i meant campy.. like the gorn fight and the rubber suits... the customes.. even the colorful uniforms.. yellybean buttons?? almost every chapter they end laughting?. Yes, some of the stories are good, but i dont see things with rosetinted glases, i grow up watching TOS, it was great when i was a kid.. but now, i can hardly watch it, even at season 2 of TNG was kinda lame.. I'm trully a fan, i love a lot of the ST concepts, but i'm very objective about it, that's why i'm ok with DSC aestethics, thou i understand the nostalgia that people feel when they see the old TOS ones..
I can see what you mean, though the special effects and props did hold up better over time than things like Space:1999, Lost in Space, and other stuff from that general era. I started watching Space:1999 again a few months ago and could not get though more than a few episodes it was so hokey and trite seeming now.
There is an interesting piece of trivia about those TOS jewel buttons, they were originally supposed to extrude from the surface of the station (using a crossfade sequence) depending upon the preferences of the person sitting watch at the station, and did not represent simple on-off buttons but rather solid state direction-of-pressure sensitive analog controls rather like joystick tophats or trackballs.
Watch Sulu's hands and you will see that, he maneuvers more by rocking his hand on the buttons instead of pushing them like keys (though he does that too with his other hand). That, and the fact that they were going for a clean minimalist look, is the reason they did not just use off-the-shelf button arrays like the movies did later on.
When the LCARS-like transparencies turned out to be unusable because they burned too fast with the hot lights behind them they dropped the idea of swapping the panels depending on who was at the station since the viewers would not notice the difference on the low-res TV at the time without the LCARS equivalent lit up.
They kind of went to real world aircraft carriers for the colorful uniform tunic idea, the uniform actually boiled down to black pants or tights and a black shirt with an overtunic of the department color over it (the female version had two tunics available, one that was sweater-like like the male ones and the other which was minidress-like with a cheerleader-uniform-like bottom under the skirt edge).
The realworld costumes were not actually constructed that way in all the variations (with most the shirt was fake, just a collar sewn onto the tunic which was actually too hot to wear anything underneath), and you never see any of the women without the overtunic (in fact most of the female extras didn't even have the tights, they wore the nylons they came to the studio in and often the calls said to bring their own plain black boots if they had them which is why many of the extras of either sex wore a variety of boots).
In the lore the uniforms were supposed to be made of "Xenylon" an algae-based smart fabric that was capable of limited temperature control as shown in Spock's Brain where Kirk told the landing party to make sure their uniforms were set to maintain 72 degrees in the rather cold forty degree temperature of the landing site (Fahrenheit of course).
The funny thing is that while the US of the 1960s is usually seen as some kind of hippy party decade it was not that different from today, with much the same amount of internal division and tension, and even more international strife. The economic boom of the 1950s was starting to fade (though average prosperity was still better than today) and instead of cyber attacks and natural pandemics the cold war with its threat of nuclear annihilation, the Vietnam war, and drugs were the big issues.
There was even the left/right political division though it was not as much in DC politics as it was a very heavy weight of traditional social roles on one side and the generally younger counterculture people on the other with an intensity not seen again until the last decade or so. The names of the sides and details of the issues are different of course but the framework was much the same in a sort of forty to sixty year cycle with the Roaring '20s, the sexual revolution '60s and the cyber-tribalistic present day so we are at much the same point again today.
Star Trek TOS was meant to be a kind of rebellious upbeat example of hope back in the day (which is the direct opposite of most movie sci-fi of the time, which tended to run to horror flicks with rubber space monsters or Orwellian style phycological horror).
DSC on the other hand is very generic and typical of today's TV sci-fi and just goes with the cynical downbeat flow. Hope probably seems rather hokey nowadays since it is not supported by todays music or much of anything else but it is not totally out of fashion as the reaction to Pike in s2 DSC shows, so a properly done series (like hopefully SNW will be) using the same kind of basis would work today.
Yeah, i totally get it, and actually was quite fun to read (i hate walls of text, but yurs was quite nice ), i know the reason and context of this, and i hope SNW is good, because they blended the aesthetics quite nice in the DSC Enterprise , so i'm looking forward to it..
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I kinda do, but only because of the cringe inducing art style and dated effects. The remaster fixed the special effects issues but the practical effects and the art style could only be fixed by remaking the entire series.
True, i love the concept, but i hate the corny parts...
What corny parts are those? I am not being challenging, just curious.
His statement is not invalid. I also do not like TOS, I do not loathe it or hate it, seeing its historical impact on television history, its tackling of societal topics, and the interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura. I understand that the effects and art style are from a show over 50 years ago (which are dated since they come from that time period and would not fly now) but also know it was a low-budget or shoe string production due to technical difficulties involving lighting during that time as well as other issues. I have watched some episodes that are remastered and it has helped immensely. The style in my opinion works with TAS but not TOS. Still my favorite series is Star Trek: The Next Generation. You are free to like TOS, its art style, and/or its special effects but saying someone's statement is invalid is a big no-no just because you disagree with them.
Now, to get back to this thread being about Ten Forward Weekly. Thanks Som for the repost from Reddit and some nice tidbits of information in there.
Wel, i meant campy.. like the gorn fight and the rubber suits... the customes.. even the colorful uniforms.. yellybean buttons?? almost every chapter they end laughting?. Yes, some of the stories are good, but i dont see things with rosetinted glases, i grow up watching TOS, it was great when i was a kid.. but now, i can hardly watch it, even at season 2 of TNG was kinda lame.. I'm trully a fan, i love a lot of the ST concepts, but i'm very objective about it, that's why i'm ok with DSC aestethics, thou i understand the nostalgia that people feel when they see the old TOS ones..
TOS is bad. Effects, tone, Shatner. It's all just bad. But I respect it for its impact and for starting up the franchise. And crossovers to that era can certainly be fun.
It is not worth the energy to loathe. But it stays off my shelves.
I can see what you mean, though the special effects and props did hold up better over time than things like Space:1999, Lost in Space, and other stuff from that general era. I started watching Space:1999 again a few months ago and could not get though more than a few episodes it was so hokey and trite seeming now.
There is an interesting piece of trivia about those TOS jewel buttons, they were originally supposed to extrude from the surface of the station (using a crossfade sequence) depending upon the preferences of the person sitting watch at the station, and did not represent simple on-off buttons but rather solid state direction-of-pressure sensitive analog controls rather like joystick tophats or trackballs.
Watch Sulu's hands and you will see that, he maneuvers more by rocking his hand on the buttons instead of pushing them like keys (though he does that too with his other hand). That, and the fact that they were going for a clean minimalist look, is the reason they did not just use off-the-shelf button arrays like the movies did later on.
When the LCARS-like transparencies turned out to be unusable because they burned too fast with the hot lights behind them they dropped the idea of swapping the panels depending on who was at the station since the viewers would not notice the difference on the low-res TV at the time without the LCARS equivalent lit up.
They kind of went to real world aircraft carriers for the colorful uniform tunic idea, the uniform actually boiled down to black pants or tights and a black shirt with an overtunic of the department color over it (the female version had two tunics available, one that was sweater-like like the male ones and the other which was minidress-like with a cheerleader-uniform-like bottom under the skirt edge).
The realworld costumes were not actually constructed that way in all the variations (with most the shirt was fake, just a collar sewn onto the tunic which was actually too hot to wear anything underneath), and you never see any of the women without the overtunic (in fact most of the female extras didn't even have the tights, they wore the nylons they came to the studio in and often the calls said to bring their own plain black boots if they had them which is why many of the extras of either sex wore a variety of boots).
In the lore the uniforms were supposed to be made of "Xenylon" an algae-based smart fabric that was capable of limited temperature control as shown in Spock's Brain where Kirk told the landing party to make sure their uniforms were set to maintain 72 degrees in the rather cold forty degree temperature of the landing site (Fahrenheit of course).
The funny thing is that while the US of the 1960s is usually seen as some kind of hippy party decade it was not that different from today, with much the same amount of internal division and tension, and even more international strife. The economic boom of the 1950s was starting to fade (though average prosperity was still better than today) and instead of cyber attacks and natural pandemics the cold war with its threat of nuclear annihilation, the Vietnam war, and drugs were the big issues.
There was even the left/right political division though it was not as much in DC politics as it was a very heavy weight of traditional social roles on one side and the generally younger counterculture people on the other with an intensity not seen again until the last decade or so. The names of the sides and details of the issues are different of course but the framework was much the same in a sort of forty to sixty year cycle with the Roaring '20s, the sexual revolution '60s and the cyber-tribalistic present day so we are at much the same point again today.
Star Trek TOS was meant to be a kind of rebellious upbeat example of hope back in the day (which is the direct opposite of most movie sci-fi of the time, which tended to run to horror flicks with rubber space monsters or Orwellian style phycological horror).
DSC on the other hand is very generic and typical of today's TV sci-fi and just goes with the cynical downbeat flow. Hope probably seems rather hokey nowadays since it is not supported by todays music or much of anything else but it is not totally out of fashion as the reaction to Pike in s2 DSC shows, so a properly done series (like hopefully SNW will be) using the same kind of basis would work today.
Yeah, i totally get it, and actually was quite fun to read (i hate walls of text, but yurs was quite nice