The entire point of this thread being that the EP changed his mind AGES ago
Except
A. According to Kael, this has never been a rule as long as he has worked at the company, which has been 4 years now
B. Andre Emerson only came on around 2 years, and like 3 months, ago
So the EP hasn't changed his mind, this was never a rule even before he got here.
But this community really needs somebody like Trendy who ACTUALLY interacted with the community to get to know how we felt and kept a pulse of how the game was running and not just do a live stream once in a while.
I've seen Kael and Andre do more then Trendy, or Riscossa, ever did for the community, and the game. Kael is constantly answering questions on twitter, and the livestreams, passing things on to the devs. Ehile Trendy tried to bury stuff like the Grand Nagus ship, and pretend it never existed. Also, we've been told that Andre is the one behind all of the QoL and systems revamps we have seen in the last two years. He actually sat down and played the game, and has been over the team's TRIBBLE about how much of the game kinda sucked. Which is far more then Ricossa ever did.
The last two years have seen Cryptic target pretty much every major pain point the game had and fix them, or at least alleviate them a lot, and has generally made the game much more enjoyable to play. The idea that they don't know how the game is running, or how the community feels, is kinda disproved by that. That and the fact theres more people playing now then even during Victory is Life, and the last two years have been some of STO's like top 3-4 best.
So the EP that changed their mind...assuming Kael is even correct on this...was changed a while ago...and once again DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. I kinda get the feeling that maybe an issue over there...where they don't talk with each other.
Wow...throwing Trendy under the bus to try and protect the new team...yeah you ain't a white knight there Som. Especially since you DEFENDED Trendy when she was here and even Ricossa...who was utter TRIBBLE and I didn't mention I wanted back. Maybe Kael, instead of spending all his time on twitch and twitter should MAYBE spend some time on here...you know...the platform they OWN. Seriously, I haven't seen a CM this allergic to their own forum...well...EVER.
Your OPINION is that the game is more enjoyable...fun fact...for some people it is LESS these days. Also fact, some people can't even reliably stay CONNECTED to this game. You and your white knight status sees no problems...but the rest of us views clicking on a power and having to wait 5 seconds for it to activate...IF AT ALL...to be on the bad side of things. I don't care if they made some small QoL improvement if I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME half the time I want to.
you and I don't see eye to ey on a LOT, but i agree with you here.
1. Tossing someone under the bus after they are gone is lame and wrong. Trendy did a lot in this community.
2. Kel is spending far too much on twitch, twitter and whatever. when is the last time he posted in, oh, say the longest thread on the forum going, I.E. the Nova thread? where are his statements he's fighting fro what the PLAYERS are asking for?
I would have a very hard time believing there is a significant amount of players that want the Cerritos and inquiry more than a T6 Nova, Rom D7 or K'vort. that and he has ignored inquiries about certain practices on this forum that the mods have chosen to avoid
MAYBE if the Kael spent more time on the forums, we would be less angry. We certainly were when Trendy spent time here. Hey look the CM avoids his own forum like the plague and it's the GAMERS who are at fault for being angry about it. Once again...perfectly reasonable and not a white knight reasoning there. You know, shift the blame for the CM not being on here on the PAYING CUSTOMERS...that works great I hear.
Well said. Cryptic was never perfect.. no company is and there are always decisions that might not be popular. Despite this, Trendy was overall well received by the player base, yes there were those that didn't like her either, but the vast majority were cool with her. Back in her day, I had an issue with one of my characters that I had mentioned in a comment. She saw it, messaged me for some details and got it taken care of for me. I always really appreciated that and thought it showed that she actually cared enough to be browsing the forum looking for ways she could help.
Kael seems like a nice guy, but his lack of involvement with the player base is the cause of peoples vitriol toward him. He doesn't engage with us, just passes on information through press releases and that information is usually wrong in some way and often causes more confusion then anything else. I have been rather vocal in my dislike of how Kael does his job, but on the rare occasion that he does post here or on Reddit, I am always courteous to him and encourage others to do the same. Kael has no valid reason for not interacting with the player base, the negative reaction toward him from the players is 100% his fault. He could change it anytime he wanted, but that would require him actually caring about his job so it's unlikely that will ever happen.
I am very confused by the use of the word "promo" in this thread.
To me, there are Z-store ships, R&D ships, Lockbox ships, and promo ships are the giveaways from Summer, Winter, and Anniversary events. But the word seems to be being used differently here.
Also, specifically what do you mean by "Mirror Connie" ?
It wasn't. Kael said he thinks Al may have said it in the past, but hes never seen anyone actually show that anyone has. And, likewise, no one on the forums has ever provided proof of it. There has never been any proof that anyone made that sort of promise(let alone the EP), its just been an assumption made by players since it was an observed pattern over the years.
Why does it need to be proved now? I'm pretty sure that while there is no contract or anything that clearly states lockboxes/promos can't include actual ships of the line from main-factions, it has been pretty much a concensus that ships like the Inquiry would 100% belong into the Cstore, not in a box. And I'm sure too that Al said it at some point, just now nobody actually remembers it.
The Inquiry in particular is a huge offender here, because it can be mixed/matched with the T6-battlecruiser, and even comes with a set-piece-console (that KDF and RR/DV couldn't get, last time I checked). If it was just a Cstore 'legendary battlecruiser' it would have been a non-issue.
Also, specifically what do you mean by "Mirror Connie" ?
The Mirror Universe Constitution class that was recently released.
Ah, OK, so promo ship and R&D ship are the same? Thanks for clearing that up.
Now, what exactly do they mean by Mirror Connie? I admit I don't know the Feddie Cruisers very well, as I have never liked them. They turn too slowly, and their BOFF seating is too heavily oriented toward Engineering, (Engineering BOFF powers are well-nigh worthless, IMO)
Now, what exactly do they mean by Mirror Connie? I admit I don't know the Feddie Cruisers very well, as I have never liked them. They turn too slowly, and their BOFF seating is too heavily oriented toward Engineering, (Engineering BOFF powers are well-nigh worthless, IMO)
The USS Defiant (from TOS: The Web), which was taken into the mirror-universe by the Tholians and then procured and modified by the terran empire, (ENT: In a Mirror Darkly). In STO it's now available as the 'Mirror Warship'.
Now, what exactly do they mean by Mirror Connie? I admit I don't know the Feddie Cruisers very well, as I have never liked them. They turn too slowly, and their BOFF seating is too heavily oriented toward Engineering, (Engineering BOFF powers are well-nigh worthless, IMO)
The USS Defiant (from TOS: The Web), which was taken into the mirror-universe by the Tholians and then procured and modified by the terran empire, (ENT: In a Mirror Darkly). In STO it's now available as the 'Mirror Warship'.
OK, thank you!
Now, that thing is a BEAST! Cmdr Tac BOFF Seat, turn rate of 13.5, and five front weapons, as well as the ability to use Cannon. This will be a very potent ship, any way you slice it. Too bad it will be unobtainium
And I would do the same for any other argument I have made that I can think of off the top of my head, since I find they tend to apply to pretty much all game companies.
Problem with the topic at hand is not the stance towards gaming-companies, it's the paradigm-shift in the use of lockbox/promotion.
Why does it need to be proved now if there was a long-standing concensus? Sure, there was probably no contract - but Kael "thinking" Al said it pretty much means Al said it. Otherwise he wouldn't have reason to think that.
I'll say it again: The Inquiry in particular is a huge offender here, because it can be mixed/matched with the T6-battlecruiser, and even comes with a set-piece-console (that KDF and RR/DV couldn't get, last time I checked). If it was just a Cstore 'legendary battlecruiser' it would have been a non-issue.
Also, the Cstore has seen very few ships added this year, in contrast to what has been added via boxes. Less account-unlocks, more chance-based single-character unlocks. On top of this year being a financial disaster for many. I can't blame anyone for feeling mistreated.
hes never seen anyone actually show that anyone has. And, likewise, no one on the forums has ever provided proof of it. There has never been any proof that anyone made that sort of promise(let alone the EP), its just been an assumption made by players since it was an observed pattern over the years.
It would be nice if someone could track down the original comment. I remember it being made sometime around the release of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. The blog announcing that ship is dated December 7th 2011, so if anyone is interested enough interviews between then and early 2012 would be the first place to check. If it was said on the original forums then it's probably gone though.
When somebody is acting poorly because of something YOU ARE DOING...than yes, it is up to YOU to change that if you want them to stop acting poorly.
So when devs are acting poorly in their communication because of the way players treat them, its up to the players to change if they expect the devs to stop acting poorly? Glad we agree.
Yeah I thought this would be easier to explain...but it really isn't I guess. It's more of a feel thing than an actual action based thing...which for somebody that is high intellect like you I can see being hard to grasp. And no I don't mean to say that in a bad way...like I said I can respect that aspect of you.
I'm not sure if parts of this are sarcasm, a backhanded compliment, or totally honest, but I am entirely open to the notion that the way I defend Cryptic could be interpreted as such.
That being said, I vehemently despise companies like EA, Ubisoft, Activision-Blizzard, Gearbox, CDPR, and Obsidian, but would make the exact same arguments if they made the same claims. From my personal experience in going to video game forums for nearly 20 years now, and seeing the way gamers have acted in all those years, and how much worse they have gotten in the modern era, I firmly believe no one should have to put up with that sort of behavior in any environment, in any job. I totally support game companies not bothering to interact with people outside of very indirect methods like twitter, facebook, generic news post, and interviews with game sites, and honestly wouldn't be surprised(though I would be terribly disappointed) if Kael gives up the weekly livestreams at some point because of it also. And I would do the same for any other argument I have made that I can think of off the top of my head, since I find they tend to apply to pretty much all game companies.
I will admit I've almost certainly lost most of the more balanced nuance in my arguments that I probably had a decade ago. Mostly due to fatigue of seeing the same arguments made over and over again, and having to repeat the same thing over and over.
When the devs are acting poorly in their communication towards all players because of the way a tiny fraction of the player base treat them. Then that is extremely unprofessional behavior by the devs. The communication in the past years from the devs has been absolutely terrible well below reasonably professional behaviour. Since Trendy was forced out there has been a massive plummet in the quality and QC of Dev communication.
The devs shouldn’t have to put up with that 0.5% of the player base or what ever tiny number it is. But at the same time the other 99% of the good side of the player base shouldn’t have to put up with the devs unprofessional behaviour.
We are not expecting the devs to be 100% perfect, everyone makes mistakes or errors at times. But the poor communication and amount of errors is well below reasonable professional standards. Just look at how terribly the dev communication has been in this invalid skill bug problem. It’s not the bug or the solution that matter. It’s the lack of official communication on a major game breaking bug that matters. That is not the fault of the player base. That is the fault of unprofessional behaviour by the devs. In most work places this type communication mess up would be enough to get people sacked or at the very least a telling off and warning.
So is the Inquiry... your point? Or did you miss the entire point of the thread?
The entire point of this thread being that the EP changed his mind AGES ago...didn't feel the need to update ANYONE in it to let the players know and we have a CM who is so out of touch with the game that he could not tell a pattern that was obviously happening in the game...basically showing off that the company is probably wasting quite a bit of money on those two. And in the case of Kael not even bothering to post updates in their own forum most of the time...yeah...I'm sorry, but Kael is just not a really good CM. Trendy was awesome. They really should bring her back if she is willing...games can have more than 1 CM if Cryptic feels that Kael is worth the money for some reason. But this community really needs somebody like Trendy who ACTUALLY interacted with the community to get to know how we felt and kept a pulse of how the game was running and not just do a live stream once in a while.
Let me being by saying I respect Kael and I think honestly he reasonates as being a good person. That may not matter to many players but having seen the opposite too elsewhere I find it important. However after a significant time passed we can clearly say he is a downgrade compared to Trendy without being bad himself. Let me start by pointing positives and negatives:
Positives
1 He has humor and creativity(remember his tardigrade mini event, some riddles he orchistrated etc and I like the jokes he does to ease the atmosphere on problems like the most recent tweet about the TFO problems)
2 He keeps his calm and keeps being polite even on tough situations. Keep in mind as a frontman(CM) he gets heat for things he may not even have a say on. And no he isnt in the marketing department so he doesnt decide what is sold in promo boxes.
3 He is good at presenting events etc(he demonstrated that by managing to present star trek las vegas without having the best means to do so - and without being obligated to do so, he could just write a blog for the STO part of it)
4 As I said in the start he is a good person and that reasonates all around most of his actions
Negatives
1 He doesnt engage with the community as often. It is a fact but there is a "BUT" which I will explain after these points.
2 He is rushy which results on making typos on important posts and blogs. All community managers do such mistakes but most do a pass and correct their found typos before hitting submit. I honestly think he is the king of typos among MMOs CMs
3 He has his priorities wrong in terms of communication hotspots. The normal should be official website news page -> official forums -> reddit -> social media -> twitch -> second/third party promotional podcasts, interviews etc. He starts from Social Media, then reddit, then twitch, then second/third party promotionals(which isnt his job, that is for a marketing head and/or the CEO of the game), then news page and dead last dropping an occasional visit on forums(maybe 1-3 times a year?)
4. He hasnt learnt well the game he acts for as a CM. that again may be tied to the "BUT" I will explain down below.
Ok now to explain the "BUT". If we put together all he does during a week from all sources, at least those visible to us, I get the feel he may be part-time employed to Cryptic and not working on a full-time scale. That by also adding his CM work for Champions Online too. It may be also possible they given him more roles as I remember tweets at times from him as "you cant imagine who I got in recording booth". If Cryptic hasnt employed him full time or hasnt employed him as a dedicated CM or both that is on Cryptic management as the man needs to live himself and his family and may had picked a secondary job too or if they filled him too many secondary duties he may not have the time to engage more with us and learn the games too. Also if I recall well he came initially as content creator for Champions Online so he may not have a lot of experience yet.
Like I said he isnt bad, just LaughingTrendy had set a higher standards past so he got ways to go to get better if the "BUT" part above isnt what is effecting him
Hey @thegrandnagus1 we have somebody who denies it. So much for nobody can say it wasn't so.
Yeah, sadly I'm not surprised.
The truth is, after this past week I'm seriously considering giving up on these forums altogether. Not the game; which I still enjoy a lot despite the bugs. But these forums are becoming pretty much worthless when one person tries to make every thread about themselves.
To be clear, I have no problem with a diversity of opinion. I enjoy hearing different peoples opinions, even if I don't agree with them. But when it feels like every other reply is from the same person who wants to drown out everyone they disagree with, it's pretty much impossible for people to have a real discussion.
What I'm not sure about is whether just giving up and letting these forums because that person's personal soapbox is best, or whether we need to try to figure out some solution to deal with the posts in question.
Maybe of the total players, but not of the people on the forums."
Even on the forums it’s a tiny fraction of people and you don’t make your entire player base suffer just because of a handful of posters on a forum which makes up less then 5% of the player base. From what I remember that was the last officially numbers. Plus, many of those player complaints are valid. Having around 50% of dev blogs full of errors and incorrect dates is not professional standards of communication.
A. This isn't what the term game breaking means
B. Its not a bug because it was done intentionally due to coding changes
Which would be fine if they did proper communication. But because of their lack of professional communication for the majority of the player base it looks like a major bug. For the majority of the player base its log in and skills are broken, bridge officer powers swapping is broken, traits are broken. That’s from a player prospective a major game breaking bug. On the official news channel, official forums, patch notes, in game news, official English twitter feed, official Facebook there is absolutely nothing.
The majority of the player base have no idea what is going off. No way to know how to fix it apart from word of mouth. How are they meant to know a skill respect will fix the broken traits and bridge officer changing?
How is that remotely reasonable behavior from the devs? In any other game something as major as this would not only be on the official news channels but there would be an official in game message explaining. Wasn’t this the entire point of adding that dreadfully implanted splash screen which I still hate today. Why have they not even bothered using the splash screen which is for major news? Any other MMO would have. EDIT: Plus what happens when someone comes back in a few months after a break. They will have absolutely no idea what is going off, all they will know is the toons they have on the account are all majorly broken.
Personally I don’t mind the problem itself or the solution. What I do mind is I was unable to play for days due to everything being broken and only by fluke came across a solution by word of mouth. That is not acceptable for something as game breaking as this.
Yet you want to blame a tiny fraction of the forum player base for the devs unprofessional standard of communication!
"A. This isn't what the term game breaking means"
Seems pretty game breaking to me to have a corrupt character that is unable to function due to invalid skills or make changes to traits, bridge powers, trait/spec trees. Unable to Unlocking new Traits. How is that anything but game breaking? If you are low level you are unable to level up or advance as in you cannot spend any points or make changes as new areas unlock.
> @seaofsorrows said: > (Quote) > > Which might have been a mistake on their part. > > They put the Kelvin Connie as the Grand Prize and the Vengeance as the 'consolation prize' and most people wanted the Vengeance. I am not sure they wouldn't want to do that one over again.. I am sure they still made plenty of money, people likely opened a lot of boxes for Lobi, but still. I think they over estimated the demand for the Kelvin Timeline Constitution Class and somewhat undervalued the Vengeance. > > Worked for me though, the second I saw the Vengeance on the big screen in the theater my first thought was that I couldn't wait to fly one in STO.
Not normal Timeline stuff. Alternate Universe (Mirror), alternate Timeline (Kelvin).
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
> @gaevsman said: > (Quote) > > That's why im saying that the Inquiry was a good candidate for lobi..., it wuold be the Vengance of modern times!
No new Lobi Ships, just T6s of remaining T5s or special Weekend Promo Sales. I think this is where this currently stands.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I for my part give a poo poo how this ship is released.
I would just like to know if the ship‘s trait is wai and here to stay or if we deal with another „buy this fast b4 we nerf cuz later on you can’t do anything about our business practices anyway“ thingy.
Any word or infos about the trait Terran Goodbye or do we better not „care to explain“? 👋🏻
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“The overwhelming majority of people who play games never visit those game's forums, and would have the same experience regardless of if the devs posted here or not. The idea they are making the entire playerbase, or even most of it, suffer in any way is flatly incorrect.”
How is it incorrect? As I understand it you are justifying the devs poor communication from official sources outside the forums due to a tiny fraction of the forum users. You say devs are acting poorly in their communication because of the way players treat them. Yet as you just pointed out the overwhelming majority of people never visit the forum. So the overwhelming majority of players are suffering from the devs unprofessional behaviour. Its not flatly incorrect, its flatly correct the devs lack of official communication is causing suffering to the player base.
“The validity of those complains is ultimately irrelevant in this discussion. That people complain isn't the problem, its how they complain that is.”
Fully agree how that small fraction is complaining is wrong and not acceptable. But that doesn’t justify the devs behaviour which is just as bad if not worse then that small fraction of players.
“The giant flashing invalid skills button at the bottom of your skill screen, which exists specifically to inform you of this, is a good indicator.”
What giant flashing button? Just checked my alts and I have no giant button or flashing button in fact there isn't even a invalid button. I never look at the skill page clearly as I have not changed it in years. I only go to the spec tree page every so often without looking at the skill page. There is absolutely no indication a player needs to go to the skill page to fix the list of game breaking bugs I listed.
“You must not play many MMOs. I've seen many, even some of the top played MMOs, not budge on giving any information about similar problems.”
I don’t believe you. Not saying it never happens but its very rare from my expreince. I have played a large amount of MMO’s including many of the main ones and all of them provide in game information and news information on problems like this. Even in other Cryptic games like Neverwinter I never ran into the scale of problems that I do with the devs from STO.
“I blame the majority of forum goers in most games for their actions. And the fact that in all the times I've seen devs take people on their offer of communication, only to see those same people use it as a lure to bait devs in so they can throw even more vitriol, has done nothing but convince me that any claims of wanting more communication are nothing more then a n attempt to claim a higher moral ground that they don't actually have, while trying to shift responsibility onto others, instead of accepting responsibility for their own actions.
I have neither sympathy, or remorse, for the situation, nor any desire to have either, because I have yet to see anything that even remotely resembles an honest desire for communication. And the actions of people this last week have only reinforced that notion.”
You seem to be confused between 2-way communication and 1-way communication. Its not about moral high ground. The problems with the 1-way communication 100% lies with the devs and it is 100% down to their unprofessional standards. The actions of the player base have nothing to with the devs lack of professional 1-way communication.
In regards to the 1-way communication. It’s not about shifting responsibility because it is the devs responsibility. It is part of the job discerption which some of them are being paid a wage to perform and are not doing to a professional standard. This problem is 100% the devs fault and I do not see any evidence it has anything to do with players accepting responsibility for their own actions.
Now the problems with 2-way communication is a different kettle of fish and I agree with you there. But the problems with from 2-way communication do not justified the devs behaviour in regards to 1 way communication. The problems with 2-way communication shouldn’t stop the devs posting important major news in the official new sources. That fault purely lies with the devs.
there is no giant flashing button, the skills invalid is a small text line next to retrain skills button, which is easy enough to go unoticed and its its why I posted a topic to warn people of it
hes never seen anyone actually show that anyone has. And, likewise, no one on the forums has ever provided proof of it. There has never been any proof that anyone made that sort of promise(let alone the EP), its just been an assumption made by players since it was an observed pattern over the years.
It would be nice if someone could track down the original comment. I remember it being made sometime around the release of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. The blog announcing that ship is dated December 7th 2011, so if anyone is interested enough interviews between then and early 2012 would be the first place to check. If it was said on the original forums then it's probably gone though.
Yes the statement is going to be found back then when the first box ship was released. The bug ship was supposed to be rare thus its release was done via chance box. I believe all the old forum posts are still archived, but good luck finding anything, and you certainly can't likely attribute it to who actually said it due to the archiving process removing the names of the posters.
I listened through the 6/29/2012 episode of priority 1, there was some discussion about a previous interview regarding lockboxes so it could be in one of the few earlier episodes, but there was also some discussion of Al wanting to put the Wells in the game and CBS giving push back so maybe the exotic only statement was made later in regard to the Wells release. I'll keep updating as I'm able to listen to more old episodes.
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you and I don't see eye to ey on a LOT, but i agree with you here.
1. Tossing someone under the bus after they are gone is lame and wrong. Trendy did a lot in this community.
2. Kel is spending far too much on twitch, twitter and whatever. when is the last time he posted in, oh, say the longest thread on the forum going, I.E. the Nova thread? where are his statements he's fighting fro what the PLAYERS are asking for?
I would have a very hard time believing there is a significant amount of players that want the Cerritos and inquiry more than a T6 Nova, Rom D7 or K'vort. that and he has ignored inquiries about certain practices on this forum that the mods have chosen to avoid
Well said. Cryptic was never perfect.. no company is and there are always decisions that might not be popular. Despite this, Trendy was overall well received by the player base, yes there were those that didn't like her either, but the vast majority were cool with her. Back in her day, I had an issue with one of my characters that I had mentioned in a comment. She saw it, messaged me for some details and got it taken care of for me. I always really appreciated that and thought it showed that she actually cared enough to be browsing the forum looking for ways she could help.
Kael seems like a nice guy, but his lack of involvement with the player base is the cause of peoples vitriol toward him. He doesn't engage with us, just passes on information through press releases and that information is usually wrong in some way and often causes more confusion then anything else. I have been rather vocal in my dislike of how Kael does his job, but on the rare occasion that he does post here or on Reddit, I am always courteous to him and encourage others to do the same. Kael has no valid reason for not interacting with the player base, the negative reaction toward him from the players is 100% his fault. He could change it anytime he wanted, but that would require him actually caring about his job so it's unlikely that will ever happen.
To me, there are Z-store ships, R&D ships, Lockbox ships, and promo ships are the giveaways from Summer, Winter, and Anniversary events. But the word seems to be being used differently here.
Also, specifically what do you mean by "Mirror Connie" ?
Why does it need to be proved now? I'm pretty sure that while there is no contract or anything that clearly states lockboxes/promos can't include actual ships of the line from main-factions, it has been pretty much a concensus that ships like the Inquiry would 100% belong into the Cstore, not in a box. And I'm sure too that Al said it at some point, just now nobody actually remembers it.
The Inquiry in particular is a huge offender here, because it can be mixed/matched with the T6-battlecruiser, and even comes with a set-piece-console (that KDF and RR/DV couldn't get, last time I checked). If it was just a Cstore 'legendary battlecruiser' it would have been a non-issue.
Ah, OK, so promo ship and R&D ship are the same? Thanks for clearing that up.
Now, what exactly do they mean by Mirror Connie? I admit I don't know the Feddie Cruisers very well, as I have never liked them. They turn too slowly, and their BOFF seating is too heavily oriented toward Engineering, (Engineering BOFF powers are well-nigh worthless, IMO)
The USS Defiant (from TOS: The Web), which was taken into the mirror-universe by the Tholians and then procured and modified by the terran empire, (ENT: In a Mirror Darkly). In STO it's now available as the 'Mirror Warship'.
OK, thank you!
Now, that thing is a BEAST! Cmdr Tac BOFF Seat, turn rate of 13.5, and five front weapons, as well as the ability to use Cannon. This will be a very potent ship, any way you slice it. Too bad it will be unobtainium
Problem with the topic at hand is not the stance towards gaming-companies, it's the paradigm-shift in the use of lockbox/promotion.
Why does it need to be proved now if there was a long-standing concensus? Sure, there was probably no contract - but Kael "thinking" Al said it pretty much means Al said it. Otherwise he wouldn't have reason to think that.
I'll say it again: The Inquiry in particular is a huge offender here, because it can be mixed/matched with the T6-battlecruiser, and even comes with a set-piece-console (that KDF and RR/DV couldn't get, last time I checked). If it was just a Cstore 'legendary battlecruiser' it would have been a non-issue.
Also, the Cstore has seen very few ships added this year, in contrast to what has been added via boxes. Less account-unlocks, more chance-based single-character unlocks. On top of this year being a financial disaster for many. I can't blame anyone for feeling mistreated.
It would be nice if someone could track down the original comment. I remember it being made sometime around the release of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. The blog announcing that ship is dated December 7th 2011, so if anyone is interested enough interviews between then and early 2012 would be the first place to check. If it was said on the original forums then it's probably gone though.
The devs shouldn’t have to put up with that 0.5% of the player base or what ever tiny number it is. But at the same time the other 99% of the good side of the player base shouldn’t have to put up with the devs unprofessional behaviour.
We are not expecting the devs to be 100% perfect, everyone makes mistakes or errors at times. But the poor communication and amount of errors is well below reasonable professional standards. Just look at how terribly the dev communication has been in this invalid skill bug problem. It’s not the bug or the solution that matter. It’s the lack of official communication on a major game breaking bug that matters. That is not the fault of the player base. That is the fault of unprofessional behaviour by the devs. In most work places this type communication mess up would be enough to get people sacked or at the very least a telling off and warning.
Let me being by saying I respect Kael and I think honestly he reasonates as being a good person. That may not matter to many players but having seen the opposite too elsewhere I find it important. However after a significant time passed we can clearly say he is a downgrade compared to Trendy without being bad himself. Let me start by pointing positives and negatives:
Positives
1 He has humor and creativity(remember his tardigrade mini event, some riddles he orchistrated etc and I like the jokes he does to ease the atmosphere on problems like the most recent tweet about the TFO problems)
2 He keeps his calm and keeps being polite even on tough situations. Keep in mind as a frontman(CM) he gets heat for things he may not even have a say on. And no he isnt in the marketing department so he doesnt decide what is sold in promo boxes.
3 He is good at presenting events etc(he demonstrated that by managing to present star trek las vegas without having the best means to do so - and without being obligated to do so, he could just write a blog for the STO part of it)
4 As I said in the start he is a good person and that reasonates all around most of his actions
Negatives
1 He doesnt engage with the community as often. It is a fact but there is a "BUT" which I will explain after these points.
2 He is rushy which results on making typos on important posts and blogs. All community managers do such mistakes but most do a pass and correct their found typos before hitting submit. I honestly think he is the king of typos among MMOs CMs
3 He has his priorities wrong in terms of communication hotspots. The normal should be official website news page -> official forums -> reddit -> social media -> twitch -> second/third party promotional podcasts, interviews etc. He starts from Social Media, then reddit, then twitch, then second/third party promotionals(which isnt his job, that is for a marketing head and/or the CEO of the game), then news page and dead last dropping an occasional visit on forums(maybe 1-3 times a year?)
4. He hasnt learnt well the game he acts for as a CM. that again may be tied to the "BUT" I will explain down below.
Ok now to explain the "BUT". If we put together all he does during a week from all sources, at least those visible to us, I get the feel he may be part-time employed to Cryptic and not working on a full-time scale. That by also adding his CM work for Champions Online too. It may be also possible they given him more roles as I remember tweets at times from him as "you cant imagine who I got in recording booth". If Cryptic hasnt employed him full time or hasnt employed him as a dedicated CM or both that is on Cryptic management as the man needs to live himself and his family and may had picked a secondary job too or if they filled him too many secondary duties he may not have the time to engage more with us and learn the games too. Also if I recall well he came initially as content creator for Champions Online so he may not have a lot of experience yet.
Like I said he isnt bad, just LaughingTrendy had set a higher standards past so he got ways to go to get better if the "BUT" part above isnt what is effecting him
Yeah, sadly I'm not surprised.
The truth is, after this past week I'm seriously considering giving up on these forums altogether. Not the game; which I still enjoy a lot despite the bugs. But these forums are becoming pretty much worthless when one person tries to make every thread about themselves.
To be clear, I have no problem with a diversity of opinion. I enjoy hearing different peoples opinions, even if I don't agree with them. But when it feels like every other reply is from the same person who wants to drown out everyone they disagree with, it's pretty much impossible for people to have a real discussion.
What I'm not sure about is whether just giving up and letting these forums because that person's personal soapbox is best, or whether we need to try to figure out some solution to deal with the posts in question.
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Which would be fine if they did proper communication. But because of their lack of professional communication for the majority of the player base it looks like a major bug. For the majority of the player base its log in and skills are broken, bridge officer powers swapping is broken, traits are broken. That’s from a player prospective a major game breaking bug. On the official news channel, official forums, patch notes, in game news, official English twitter feed, official Facebook there is absolutely nothing.
The majority of the player base have no idea what is going off. No way to know how to fix it apart from word of mouth. How are they meant to know a skill respect will fix the broken traits and bridge officer changing?
How is that remotely reasonable behavior from the devs? In any other game something as major as this would not only be on the official news channels but there would be an official in game message explaining. Wasn’t this the entire point of adding that dreadfully implanted splash screen which I still hate today. Why have they not even bothered using the splash screen which is for major news? Any other MMO would have. EDIT: Plus what happens when someone comes back in a few months after a break. They will have absolutely no idea what is going off, all they will know is the toons they have on the account are all majorly broken.
Personally I don’t mind the problem itself or the solution. What I do mind is I was unable to play for days due to everything being broken and only by fluke came across a solution by word of mouth. That is not acceptable for something as game breaking as this.
Yet you want to blame a tiny fraction of the forum player base for the devs unprofessional standard of communication!
"A. This isn't what the term game breaking means"
Seems pretty game breaking to me to have a corrupt character that is unable to function due to invalid skills or make changes to traits, bridge powers, trait/spec trees. Unable to Unlocking new Traits. How is that anything but game breaking? If you are low level you are unable to level up or advance as in you cannot spend any points or make changes as new areas unlock.
"Why was a contemporary, main timeline Starfleet ship put into an R&D pack rather than the C-Store?"
To my knowledge, this has not been answered.
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Not normal Timeline stuff. Alternate Universe (Mirror), alternate Timeline (Kelvin).
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
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No new Lobi Ships, just T6s of remaining T5s or special Weekend Promo Sales. I think this is where this currently stands.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I would just like to know if the ship‘s trait is wai and here to stay or if we deal with another „buy this fast b4 we nerf cuz later on you can’t do anything about our business practices anyway“ thingy.
Any word or infos about the trait Terran Goodbye or do we better not „care to explain“? 👋🏻
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Fully agree how that small fraction is complaining is wrong and not acceptable. But that doesn’t justify the devs behaviour which is just as bad if not worse then that small fraction of players.
What giant flashing button? Just checked my alts and I have no giant button or flashing button in fact there isn't even a invalid button. I never look at the skill page clearly as I have not changed it in years. I only go to the spec tree page every so often without looking at the skill page. There is absolutely no indication a player needs to go to the skill page to fix the list of game breaking bugs I listed.
I don’t believe you. Not saying it never happens but its very rare from my expreince. I have played a large amount of MMO’s including many of the main ones and all of them provide in game information and news information on problems like this. Even in other Cryptic games like Neverwinter I never ran into the scale of problems that I do with the devs from STO.
You seem to be confused between 2-way communication and 1-way communication. Its not about moral high ground. The problems with the 1-way communication 100% lies with the devs and it is 100% down to their unprofessional standards. The actions of the player base have nothing to with the devs lack of professional 1-way communication.
In regards to the 1-way communication. It’s not about shifting responsibility because it is the devs responsibility. It is part of the job discerption which some of them are being paid a wage to perform and are not doing to a professional standard. This problem is 100% the devs fault and I do not see any evidence it has anything to do with players accepting responsibility for their own actions.
Now the problems with 2-way communication is a different kettle of fish and I agree with you there. But the problems with from 2-way communication do not justified the devs behaviour in regards to 1 way communication. The problems with 2-way communication shouldn’t stop the devs posting important major news in the official new sources. That fault purely lies with the devs.
Yes the statement is going to be found back then when the first box ship was released. The bug ship was supposed to be rare thus its release was done via chance box. I believe all the old forum posts are still archived, but good luck finding anything, and you certainly can't likely attribute it to who actually said it due to the archiving process removing the names of the posters.