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Can we talk about oldschool carriers for a moment?
lianthelia
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It's nice that we're going to be getting a T6 Atrox and Voquv...but in light of recent changes and additions to the game since ships like the Voquv and later the Atrox were added these ships are just about inferior in every way to Flight Deck Carriers and Tactical Carriers.
Both have more weapons and in some cases are even more agile, FDCs have some cruiser commands and TCs have the Enhanced Weapon Systems ship trait
Personally I think either a 3rd hangar or perhaps have Armored Hull and Advanced Shield Systems dropped for Enhanced Particle Generators and Enhanced Weapon Systems. The latter probably a better idea for less spam
Both have more weapons and in some cases are even more agile, FDCs have some cruiser commands and TCs have the Enhanced Weapon Systems ship trait
Personally I think either a 3rd hangar or perhaps have Armored Hull and Advanced Shield Systems dropped for Enhanced Particle Generators and Enhanced Weapon Systems. The latter probably a better idea for less spam
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Another option would be to let the pure carriers auto-upgrade their hangars with unique weapons. To think about it another way, pets come in several qualities with different powers with the top tier usually bought at the fleet starbase. Pure carriers would upgrade their pets to a new level above those, and maybe they just make it a tier 6 ship mastery unlock.
I could also see a new mechanic for the sci carriers that their pets get a significant buff to damage when attacking something debuffed or controlled by the carrier's BOFF powers, which essentially makes the pets act as the secondary deflector procs that normal sci ships get.
And some combination of the various ideas can work too.
However I don't think we are getting anything of that nature if they haven't already built it for the new carriers.
I also like the idea of giving sci carriers a mastery perk of increased pet damage to enemies affected by control or debuff.
I also like the idea of special powers. Since the 'old school' carriers tend be by sci oriented, pets flying from these carriers might be given a special buff, again, just by default. Put the same pet in a flight deck carrier and it doesn't have the buff. Something sci-oriented like a minor confuse sensors or tachyon burst.
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What i hope is for specific carrier abitilies and funcionalities
For example:
an extra console slot that only affect pets;
command abilities that buffs you pets;
Command abilities that allow you to heal your pets, protect your pets, or give temporary damage boosts to them.
a 3rd hangar slot
Theres alot that can be done to carriers without tying them up to tactical, science or engineer roles.
Something that would play on the strengths of a carrier and fit the traditional idea of space carrier operations (which would also save on hud space a little) would be a variant of that idea but instead of adding extra fighter wing rows add one frigate column to each flight. The one heavy unit mixed in is something you see a lot, from Macross Frontier's VB-6 Konig Monster to NuBSG's Advanced Raptor, as a sort equivalent to the squad support specialist idea.
There are almost no mechanics at all that boost hangar pets other than a few ship traits which lets be honest in a lot of cases you'd be better off with something else. There are also very few Sci Carriers in game...my suggestions were more of a easy fix as opposed to putting in a new system.
A new system would be nice but unless they plan more Sci carriers I don't know if it's worth it...
Another problem is the pets themselves...BoPs for the Voquv and Callistos for the Jupiter are pretty bad performers despite being exclusive. In most cases pets with cannons suck because of the ai and most of the good cannon pets have other powers or are agile fighters where their main guns are in arc a bit more often.
and maybe additional weapon hardpoints and tac consoles for tactical carries like the Jem Hadar Dread and Karfi?
Yes and no. While it make it plainly obvious that the Sci carriers were now totally outclassed by the FDCs, I think the issue is that the hangar pets, especially the frigates, aren't worth enough to make up for the other tradeoffs as it is, and sci carriers offer nothing unique for their pets. Remember, they don't get secondary deflectors. Do we think a Vesta is not clearly better than a Vo'quv, despite the Vo'quv having a hangar slot over it? No, the one standout in the sci carriers is the Vanguard carrier which has the vanguard pets.
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t6 dread carrier has 4 tac slots and 7 weapon hardpoints the Disco FDC has one less console for one extra hardpoint, plus cruiser commands which the dread does not have you consider that equal? I have no tested, I'm willing to bet the disco tactical fliers also do much higher DPS than the dreadnought pets. I do not count frigate pest for the dread because they remain behind the insane have to have a bug escort to have the hangars.
Some pets can do nice damage...problem is most of the carrier exclusive pets sucks because of what you said...they have cannons and mostly only fire their turrets
Majority of the better hangar pets have beams
Give them a suped up Wingman(with special commands) akin to the Jem Hadar Vanguard ships to make them a proper 'summoner' playstyle and they should be good.
Alternatively, give them a targeting ability similar to Science Vessels/Intel Ships that instead forces fighters to swarm the target and enhance other/all allies who attack the target.