$100+ for 1 ship and a cheap lvl boost is just plain stupid and beyond greedy.
Ok Let me ask you this would prefer to pay 1.5bil for the same ship without all those extra perks for only 1 character and not pay cryptic for the ship + everything else including the full console set from other versions for an account-wide T'Liss. I suggest you look up T'Liss on the exchange. You are getting it a lot cheaper with that bundle than you would off the exchange or from R&D/Doff Promo packs.
The cost for a promo ship is generally set at $125. It would help if we had clarification if the previous traits were included in this new legendary pack. $60 (the sale price) isn't that bad for a ship overall. That's roughly equal tot he Infinity Price Pack ships.
I think what irks people now is that this Legendary Romulan Pack is compared to the much-better-value-per-ship Federation Legendary Pack. If they had included just 2 or even *1* more ship in this pack, I would see it as far more comparable in value instead of bloating the pack with a generally useless level boost.
$100+ for 1 ship and a cheap lvl boost is just plain stupid and beyond greedy.
Ok Let me ask you this would prefer to pay 1.5bil for the same ship without all those extra perks for only 1 character and not pay cryptic for the ship + everything else including the full console set from other versions for an account-wide T'Liss. I suggest you look up T'Liss on the exchange. You are getting it a lot cheaper with that bundle than you would off the exchange or from R&D/Doff Promo packs.
Personally would never pay 1.5 for almost any ship. I think the ship itself is overall worth $60 myself....I wouldn't pay more and I'm disappointed that the ship seating and stats aren't really that compelling for me.
I'm disappointed more in that we only got 1 legendary ship for romulans......I think the D'deridex should definitely have been offered as well. Instead we got a light and rather squishy ship that I only fly for fun 'Fleet T'Varo' and mostly my fun torpedo boat.
I've also never really good luck with the Enhanced Battle Cloak with torps....trying to use it generally pales in comparison to anything beams or cannons. Could just be me.
> @questerius said:
> Well, the T'lisss has a command/intel combination which gives it a stealth bomber/mine layer potential which we have only seen in the Styx.
>
> That said the price is a steep one and for me who has the T'varo 3-piece already it offers very little.
> As it is i am not enticed to spend money/time gathering dilithium on it.
2 aft is not conducive to mine layer potential as you so stated. This is a torpedo boat, concentrate firepower would be a must. Possibly 2 piece romulan prototype set for fast plasma projectiles, Terran projectiles rep trait, swarmer matrix, kemocite. Not sure that Intel abilities have any business on this torpedo boat, but Intel team certainly would be nice. Single targeting is a must to avoid too much threat on its lesser chassis.
I don't already have the tvaro, but my torpedo boat is not strictly all torpedoes, makes it great for Intel plus command spec. I won't be getting this. It's way too expensive to add a redundant star ship trait, bundle of junk and is an insult to the mainstay ships of the romulan fleet such as the many variants of the D'deridex. Makes me wonder why there isn't a legendary variant, but maybe were all dealing with Pakleds.
If it is TOO overpriced, what is a better overpriced?
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> @questerius said:
> Well, the T'lisss has a command/intel combination which gives it a stealth bomber/mine layer potential which we have only seen in the Styx.
>
> That said the price is a steep one and for me who has the T'varo 3-piece already it offers very little.
> As it is i am not enticed to spend money/time gathering dilithium on it.
2 aft is not conducive to mine layer potential as you so stated. This is a torpedo boat, concentrate firepower would be a must. Possibly 2 piece romulan prototype set for fast plasma projectiles, Terran projectiles rep trait, swarmer matrix, kemocite. Not sure that Intel abilities have any business on this torpedo boat, but Intel team certainly would be nice. Single targeting is a must to avoid too much threat on its lesser chassis.
I don't already have the tvaro, but my torpedo boat is not strictly all torpedoes, makes it great for Intel plus command spec. I won't be getting this. It's way too expensive to add a redundant star ship trait, bundle of junk and is an insult to the mainstay ships of the romulan fleet such as the many variants of the D'deridex. Makes me wonder why there isn't a legendary variant, but maybe were all dealing with Pakleds.
Right on, I still dream of having an OP torp boat that can compare with beams/cannons!
That's mostly up to how it is build.
Most escorts can do kinetic builds as well. The trick is which torpedoes and how to overwhelm/bypass the shields.
KM and CFP are just an awesome combination, especially on a warbird with advanced battle cloak.
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One thing to keep in mind is that, as much as I think this bundle is overpriced, it is still cheaper than the ships currently in Mudd's Rip-off Market.
I think the single Rom Legend ship is overpriced for what the pack offers, but that's just me so I won't be buying it. I simply don't see enough value for the price. Any that do buy it I hope they enjoy it. Maybe the next pack/bundle I'll like & buy, I simply no longer spend/buy blindly in STO.
I do worry that if it sells well in a pack like this Cryptic won't change their offerings anymore & the only "option" will be this type of Star Citizen envy boutique a la carte sale which to me would be bad for STO. Or as earlier mentioned in this thread perhaps Cryptic should go big or stay home lol all future ships released only by gambling, heck yeah!
It makes me laugh when some in the thread, & previous threads, insinuate to buy this or anything else that might be high priced, which is subjective & even the price given as example is subjective if off of gambling, because Cryptic offers other "free" items/services in STO. One doesn't constitute the other unless I've missed reading a stipulation on any of Cryptic's past generous "free" offerings whereas if I accept a uniform & vanity shield I "should" purchase the very next item offered for sale by Cryptic lol. It's best not to conflate the 2 different actions & think of them as separate for better or worse.
It makes me laugh when some in the thread, & previous threads, insinuate to buy this or anything else that might be high priced, which is subjective & even the price given as example is subjective if off of gambling, because Cryptic offers other "free" items/services in STO. One doesn't constitute the other unless I've missed reading a stipulation on any of Cryptic's past generous "free" offerings whereas if I accept a uniform & vanity shield I "should" purchase the very next item offered for sale by Cryptic lol. It's best not to conflate the 2 different actions & think of them as separate for better or worse.
Yeah, the event freebies they give away has nothing to do with it (IMO). The relevant fact is that they give you an alternative way to get (insert any purchasable item here) that involves spending no money at all. You can grind dil and trade for zen to buy C-store items. And if you want the gambling items, you don't have to gamble to get them. You can buy them off the exchange for EC. Need EC? Again, grind dil, trade for zen, use zen to buy items like keys or promo packs which you can sell for EC. So yes, Cryptic gives you the choice of whether you want to spend money or time. Oh, and none of the items you can buy are actually needed to play either. So no matter which way you try to spin it, there is simply no valid argument against their model.
Yeah, the event freebies they give away has nothing to do with it (IMO). The relevant fact is that they give you an alternative way to get (insert any purchasable item here) that involves spending no money at all. You can grind dil and trade for zen to buy C-store items. And if you want the gambling items, you don't have to gamble to get them. You can buy them off the exchange for EC. Need EC? Again, grind dil, trade for zen, use zen to buy items like keys or promo packs which you can sell for EC. So yes, Cryptic gives you the choice of whether you want to spend money or time. Oh, and none of the items you can buy are actually needed to play either. So no matter which way you try to spin it, there is simply no valid argument against their model.
I firmly agree with TGN. The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk. In short, it is the one saving grace which keeps me active.
Granted the time investment is insane from my perspective but for others it may well be peachy keen time!
If you are looking for an excellent PvE fleet consider: Omega Combat Division today.
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Yeah, the event freebies they give away has nothing to do with it (IMO). The relevant fact is that they give you an alternative way to get (insert any purchasable item here) that involves spending no money at all. You can grind dil and trade for zen to buy C-store items. And if you want the gambling items, you don't have to gamble to get them. You can buy them off the exchange for EC. Need EC? Again, grind dil, trade for zen, use zen to buy items like keys or promo packs which you can sell for EC. So yes, Cryptic gives you the choice of whether you want to spend money or time. Oh, and none of the items you can buy are actually needed to play either. So no matter which way you try to spin it, there is simply no valid argument against their model.
I firmly agree with TGN. The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk. In short, it is the one saving grace which keeps me active.
Granted the time investment is insane from my perspective but for others it may well be peachy keen time!
This is an often spewed-out misstatement that always bugs me: "The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk." That statement simply isn't a fact & is in fact a lie. The Star Trek Online (STO) Lifetime Subscription & the olden days STO pre-order exclusive items are a couple so please explain how those can be acquired with only in-game resources??? I think your general concept is true that STO is a very generous game for the free-2-play (F2P) business model but then why cloudy it up with hyperbole like that? Also, I like that (TGN) abbreviation for The Grand Nagus lol it took me a minute to get it I have to admit though.
I firmly agree with TGN. The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk. In short, it is the one saving grace which keeps me active.
Granted the time investment is insane from my perspective but for others it may well be peachy keen time!
This is an often spewed-out misstatement that always bugs me: "The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk." That statement simply isn't a fact & is in fact a lie. The Star Trek Online (STO) Lifetime Subscription & the olden days STO pre-order exclusive items are a couple so please explain how those can be acquired with only in-game resources??? h.
Technically correct, but that is exactly 1 item. For the pedants, "you can get everything in the C-Store and lobi store." OR "You can get everything you'd pay cash for except a LTS on PC and possibly some rare zen charge bonus items but those will probably appear in Mudds Market so them too."
Preorder bonuses don't count because you can't get them with cash monies either.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
This is an often spewed-out misstatement that always bugs me: "The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk." That statement simply isn't a fact & is in fact a lie. The Star Trek Online (STO) Lifetime Subscription & the olden days STO pre-order exclusive items are a couple so please explain how those can be acquired with only in-game resources??? I think your general concept is true that STO is a very generous game for the free-2-play (F2P) business model but then why cloudy it up with hyperbole like that? Also, I like that (TGN) abbreviation for The Grand Nagus lol it took me a minute to get it I have to admit though.
Woah! So one who complains about access to things from a previous business model as well as things noted as legacy due to time limited promotions. I have everything except a sniper rife despite me buy a code for it online. I dont blame Cryptic for this TRIBBLE however.
So you believe my statement about STO in the F2P version is a flat out lie? Tell me where my statement is a lie regarding STO offerings since it became F2P because that is the frame on my statement. It is completely factual as far as I know.
If you want to split hairs fine...
There are lots of event things you can not get with real money if you missed the event so that does not invalidate the notion either as the core concept is everyone has the same access to things with or without real money - since the F2P conversion.
If you are looking for an excellent PvE fleet consider: Omega Combat Division today.
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First off a few folks in here need to dial it way back. Folks are going to have their opinions on this pack in the positive or negative and are free to express and debate those opinions provided it's kept civil. What is not permitted is busting out the flamethrowers, shaming of others, or similar in the process. Expressing opinion and disagreement is fine, what is not fine is flaming another user in the process.
I personally am on the fence about this pack and that is my opinion. Disagreement with someone does not automatically make you wrong OR right. Now put away the flamethrowers and perhaps this discussion can be continued at another time. /closed
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The cost for a promo ship is generally set at $125. It would help if we had clarification if the previous traits were included in this new legendary pack. $60 (the sale price) isn't that bad for a ship overall. That's roughly equal tot he Infinity Price Pack ships.
I think what irks people now is that this Legendary Romulan Pack is compared to the much-better-value-per-ship Federation Legendary Pack. If they had included just 2 or even *1* more ship in this pack, I would see it as far more comparable in value instead of bloating the pack with a generally useless level boost.
Personally would never pay 1.5 for almost any ship. I think the ship itself is overall worth $60 myself....I wouldn't pay more and I'm disappointed that the ship seating and stats aren't really that compelling for me.
I'm disappointed more in that we only got 1 legendary ship for romulans......I think the D'deridex should definitely have been offered as well. Instead we got a light and rather squishy ship that I only fly for fun 'Fleet T'Varo' and mostly my fun torpedo boat.
I've also never really good luck with the Enhanced Battle Cloak with torps....trying to use it generally pales in comparison to anything beams or cannons. Could just be me.
Right on, I still dream of having an OP torp boat that can compare with beams/cannons!
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
That's mostly up to how it is build.
Most escorts can do kinetic builds as well. The trick is which torpedoes and how to overwhelm/bypass the shields.
KM and CFP are just an awesome combination, especially on a warbird with advanced battle cloak.
I do worry that if it sells well in a pack like this Cryptic won't change their offerings anymore & the only "option" will be this type of Star Citizen envy boutique a la carte sale which to me would be bad for STO. Or as earlier mentioned in this thread perhaps Cryptic should go big or stay home lol all future ships released only by gambling, heck yeah!
It makes me laugh when some in the thread, & previous threads, insinuate to buy this or anything else that might be high priced, which is subjective & even the price given as example is subjective if off of gambling, because Cryptic offers other "free" items/services in STO. One doesn't constitute the other unless I've missed reading a stipulation on any of Cryptic's past generous "free" offerings whereas if I accept a uniform & vanity shield I "should" purchase the very next item offered for sale by Cryptic lol. It's best not to conflate the 2 different actions & think of them as separate for better or worse.
Yeah, the event freebies they give away has nothing to do with it (IMO). The relevant fact is that they give you an alternative way to get (insert any purchasable item here) that involves spending no money at all. You can grind dil and trade for zen to buy C-store items. And if you want the gambling items, you don't have to gamble to get them. You can buy them off the exchange for EC. Need EC? Again, grind dil, trade for zen, use zen to buy items like keys or promo packs which you can sell for EC. So yes, Cryptic gives you the choice of whether you want to spend money or time. Oh, and none of the items you can buy are actually needed to play either. So no matter which way you try to spin it, there is simply no valid argument against their model.
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I firmly agree with TGN. The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk. In short, it is the one saving grace which keeps me active.
Granted the time investment is insane from my perspective but for others it may well be peachy keen time!
ingame: @.Spartan
Original Cryptic Forum Name: Spartan (member #124)
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This is an often spewed-out misstatement that always bugs me: "The fact you can get ANYTHING in game without spending ANY real money makes STO a different F2P animal than the rest of the ilk." That statement simply isn't a fact & is in fact a lie. The Star Trek Online (STO) Lifetime Subscription & the olden days STO pre-order exclusive items are a couple so please explain how those can be acquired with only in-game resources??? I think your general concept is true that STO is a very generous game for the free-2-play (F2P) business model but then why cloudy it up with hyperbole like that? Also, I like that (TGN) abbreviation for The Grand Nagus lol it took me a minute to get it I have to admit though.
Technically correct, but that is exactly 1 item. For the pedants, "you can get everything in the C-Store and lobi store." OR "You can get everything you'd pay cash for except a LTS on PC and possibly some rare zen charge bonus items but those will probably appear in Mudds Market so them too."
Preorder bonuses don't count because you can't get them with cash monies either.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Woah! So one who complains about access to things from a previous business model as well as things noted as legacy due to time limited promotions. I have everything except a sniper rife despite me buy a code for it online. I dont blame Cryptic for this TRIBBLE however.
So you believe my statement about STO in the F2P version is a flat out lie? Tell me where my statement is a lie regarding STO offerings since it became F2P because that is the frame on my statement. It is completely factual as far as I know.
If you want to split hairs fine...
There are lots of event things you can not get with real money if you missed the event so that does not invalidate the notion either as the core concept is everyone has the same access to things with or without real money - since the F2P conversion.
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Original Cryptic Forum Name: Spartan (member #124)
The Glorious, Kirk’s Protegè
I personally am on the fence about this pack and that is my opinion. Disagreement with someone does not automatically make you wrong OR right. Now put away the flamethrowers and perhaps this discussion can be continued at another time. /closed
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