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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
A quick question here regarding playable Cardassians, the Dominion faction and Bridge Officers.

The first question; if one were to create a Dominion character, is said character locked as a Jem Hadar or Vanguard Hadar? Can a player choose the Dominion storyline but play as a Cardassian?

To follow on from that question, are the Jem Hadar bridge officers freely available for FED & KDF characters?

I ask cause I’m considering a little emersion by creating a character using only Cardassian and Dominion ships and bridge officers with either a Cardassian or Jem Hadar character. Can it be done, short of using the alien generator which I simply don’t wish to do.

Also, Vorta. Are these available anywhere, likely as bridge officer rewards or something? There’s no playable option that I’m aware of, though may have missed that one!

Thanks in advance for all and any feedback.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    > @azrael605 said:
    > No Cardassians are not playable for Dominion, nor should they be since the Dominion slaughtered millions of Cardassians.

    It amuses me when people use this argument when you consider how many Federation deaths have been the result of a Klingon blade or Disruptor blast.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    You can have Vorta Boffs.. but they're holograms. Search the exchange for Holographic Loris and Holographic Wayoun.

    Jem'Hadar Bridge Officers are available only to Dominion characters with the exception of the mission reward from the 'Facility 4028' mission. Even as a Jem, you can only buy them in white (common) quality. The only other VR ones are the ones from the story line and the ones from the Pack.

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  • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    no on boffs, you can get the 3 vanguard boffs and the one from Facility 4028. granted thats a fair number but you can only get those 4. and there aren't any vorta boffs. there are holo boffs of vorta. Weyoun and Loriss should be on the exchange. there is also a holo Dukan'Rex.

    so actually a "Dominion " character should be pretty easy as a fed or kdf if want a cardassian captain it'll cost you more a little if you don't already have the big vanguard pack.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    The point of the Dominion Faction was to create a Veteran Jem'Hadar, hence they start their Storyline at Level 60. Cardassians wouldn't fit into that paradigm.

    The only Vorta Boffs availible are the Holographic Loriss and Weyoun ones. You can find them on the Exchange.

    Cardassian Boffs are available from very very rare Recruitment Assignments. Common Quality ones are available for purchase at your friendly Boff Vendor. There are some higher Quality ones on the Exchange but are quite expensive. They are there from people lucky enough to have gotten that Recruitment Assignment.

    Garak was given away at STLV 2018 and is not availible unless you went or Cryptic sent you one afterwards for whatever reason. Not sure about any giveaways for him though.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,075 Community Moderator
    Yes, just like any other character, it is locked to whatever "race" that it was created as. So, a regular Jem'Hadar will always be a regular Jem'Hadar. A Vanguard Jem'Hadar will always be a Vanguard Jem'Hadar.

    Playing as the Dominion Faction, Jem'Hadar and Vanguard Jem'Hadar are the only playable options. Cardassians are only available for 2409 FED and KDF.

    The Vanguard Jem'Hadar BOFFs in the C-Store and the Jem'Hadar BOFF from The 2400 are the only Jem'Hadar BOFFs available to other Factions.

    Cardassian BOFFs of varying rarity can be acquired for your Jem'Hadar character via DOFF Recruitment assignments. White/Common quality can be acquired at ESD or Qo'Nos.

    Other than the Holographic Vorta BOFFs, the only way to have a "Vorta" BOFF would be to use an Alien BOFF.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    You can also get the Holographic Dukan'Rex Boff from the Exchange or Infinity/DS9 Lockbox.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    nightken wrote: »
    no on boffs, you can get the 3 vanguard boffs and the one from Facility 4028. granted thats a fair number but you can only get those 4. and there aren't any vorta boffs. there are holo boffs of vorta. Weyoun and Loriss should be on the exchange. there is also a holo Dukan'Rex.
    You can get an alien and customize them to look like a Vorta. BEHOLD!!!

    *points at Jeshoo* Totally looks 100% like a Vorta.

    And yes, this is red-side, holoboffs of Feddies wear Fed uniforms even red-side.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,417 Arc User
    edited October 2019


    Indeed you can roughly divide deaths in war into 4 categories based on how they effect the society, 1) deaths of soldiers in battle, which tend to have little effect unless they're massive, 2) deaths of civilians as an in-direct consequences of war, this would include both civilians who died due to being trapped in a battlezone and those who died to working at infrastuctal location that got targeted, 3)civilians who were intentionally targeted this would have major impact and 4)last but certainly not least deaths of children.

    Most UFP deaths from the klingons would the first 2 categories (since klingons don't typically go out of their way to target civilians), while the death at Cardassia Prime were exclusively the last 2 categories.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
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    Soldiers shooting each other in battle is hardly comparable to committing a genocide of your allies...
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
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    But the earlier comment in the thread about Federation deaths to Klingon Disruptors was about soldiers shooting each other.

    Since I forgot to quote, I'm guessing you mistook it for a reply to your comment right before it?
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,417 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    But the earlier comment in the thread about Federation deaths to Klingon Disruptors was about soldiers shooting each other.

    Since I forgot to quote, I'm guessing you mistook it for a reply to your comment right before it?

    Yeah that's why it's generally wise to quote the post you're responding unless you're 110% sure you'll not be mistaken to be commenting on a different post.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,075 Community Moderator
    Ok, stop derailing the thread.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    Also, Vorta. Are these available anywhere, likely as bridge officer rewards or something? There’s no playable option that I’m aware of, though may have missed that one!
    This is a Fed Alien. But Eridian looks like a Vorta, and has telekinetic powers.
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    I picked up one of the new Cardassian C-Store ships, and I really like it. Can confirm as well that it has access to the brownish hulls, as well as the default darker intel look. And Cardassian characters, both yourself and BOFFs, have access to the classic uniform from DS9. Not many variants on it, but it's there.

    So there are options, combined with everything above, to get your Cardassian fix.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    ...so we can play as a Klingon, Talaxian or Cardassian as a Federation character, and we can play as a Cardassian, Talaxian or even a Trill as a Klingon character, but we can't play as a Jem Hadar or Vorta character as a Federation or Klingon character, and we can't play as a Cardassian character within the Dominion because it doesn't make sense per the story?

    The hell? How are any of the other examples made here accepted over the latter? We've only ever had a single Klingon ever join the Federation, yet this game allows for more. We've never had a Trill join the Klingon Defence Force, we've only met one or two that have a background with Klingons, yet this game allows it. We've never seen a Talaxian as a member of any faction outside of their own space, and yet oddly again, this is allowed, and Cardassians joining the Warrior Way?

    Aren't we suppose to be opening up to the escapism and freedom to create here? Why the restrictions?

    PS: Point taken on the genocide element, but that's hardly relative when we take into account other elements of the game. The Bajorans forgave the Cardassians in lesser time than it's taken between the dates of DS9 and STO.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Your examples go against your point -- they did it on TV, so Cryptic & CBS lets us do it in game: Klingon in Starfleet, Trill fighting alongside Klingons.

    Talaxians are allegedly "lovable" space hobbits who allegedly are not hated by all right-thinking people, so I'm told it makes sense they're being allowed into both factions despite their awful food and constant need for captains to solve their problems. It's a special benefit to LTS subscribers that possibly sold many subscriptions just for the unlock. I was so happy! :(

    That said, I'm not personally against letting Jem'Hadar or Vorta into Starfleet or KDF, or letting the Cardies into the Dominion. I just don't feel any need for it and there are other things I'd rather have Cryptic spend their time on.
  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    Aren't we suppose to be opening up to the escapism and freedom to create here? Why the restrictions?
    Because they can't open up everything to everything without being ridiculously out of like with canon Trek. They try to add in some extra options here and there, but they have to stay close on some things.

    Also, no matter how much extra they open things up, it'll never be enough for some people.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    flash525 wrote: »
    ...so we can play as a Klingon, Talaxian or Cardassian as a Federation character, and we can play as a Cardassian, Talaxian or even a Trill as a Klingon character, but we can't play as a Jem Hadar or Vorta character as a Federation or Klingon character, and we can't play as a Cardassian character within the Dominion because it doesn't make sense per the story?

    The hell? How are any of the other examples made here accepted over the latter? We've only ever had a single Klingon ever join the Federation, yet this game allows for more. We've never had a Trill join the Klingon Defence Force, we've only met one or two that have a background with Klingons, yet this game allows it. We've never seen a Talaxian as a member of any faction outside of their own space, and yet oddly again, this is allowed, and Cardassians joining the Warrior Way?

    Aren't we suppose to be opening up to the escapism and freedom to create here? Why the restrictions?
    Most of the race-faction restrictions are not and have never been about "making sense" in the story or otherwise, despite what faction apologists like to pretend. There is no logical reason why Starfleet would accept a klingon but not a jem'hadar, if one wanted to join. On the other hand, it would be literally impossible for a talaxian to be in either faction in the beginning of the game because we don't have travel to the delta quadrant until the dyson sphere arc. In any case, all races are available as boffs and/or doffs anyway so they clearly don't actually discriminate, it's just the player that's restricted.

    These restrictions are mostly set up as cheap references to canon events, as licenced games are wont to do. A "hey look you can be like that guy from the show" -moment. Worf in Starfleet, Dax working with the klingons, etc. Only way to point out the "special cases" is to restrict the others.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    On the other hand, it would be literally impossible for a talaxian to be in either faction in the beginning of the game because we don't have travel to the delta quadrant until the dyson sphere arc.
    It exists, it's just not quick or easy. You may not have noticed but we've had an Ocampan NPC hanging around ESD since LAUNCH. Yeah, an OCAMPAN. The explanation seems to be use of QSS, but that it take months to make a single trip. So, PLAYERS can't do it until we get the gate.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    yes, and time has barely advanced two years since, so an ocampan on ESD is not THAT impressive​​
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    yes, and time has barely advanced two years since, so an ocampan on ESD is not THAT impressive​​
    The important part is that the Ocampan was there BEFORE players gained access to the DQ.
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