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ltminns
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With the new Event System and new Patrol format we've had a few unannounced 'curveballs' thrown our way with respect to the award of Reputation Marks from this content.
First off, one of the enduring 'features' of Featured TFOs was that they allowed the selection of any Marks (sometimes not the latest one if it had just come out) as the completion reward. I guess in keeping with trying to simplify the very 'confusing' and 'complex' old Event system they simplified our lives by giving us only a dual choice: Fleet Marks or Discovery Marks. Less thinking required. Though I know an Uncorrupted Devil will rejoice in this change
Now as far as the new Patrols and reworked Delta Patrols, they no longer are eligible to receive the appropriate Daily Mark Bonus when completed. I understand they removed this previously from the revised Red Alerts. In that situation there is no cooldown for rerun. Patrols, when completed, have a 30 Minute cooldown. In fact, due to these changes these new or revised Patrols invoke the cooldown even if left before completion.
The Mark payout is now 15 Marks for these Patrols instead of the normal 10 that used to be the case. But the lack of the Daily Bonus Mark award negates that in that you would have to run 11 Patrols in a day to make that up.
This ain't our first rodeo when it comes to changes in Marks rewards.
First off, one of the enduring 'features' of Featured TFOs was that they allowed the selection of any Marks (sometimes not the latest one if it had just come out) as the completion reward. I guess in keeping with trying to simplify the very 'confusing' and 'complex' old Event system they simplified our lives by giving us only a dual choice: Fleet Marks or Discovery Marks. Less thinking required. Though I know an Uncorrupted Devil will rejoice in this change
Now as far as the new Patrols and reworked Delta Patrols, they no longer are eligible to receive the appropriate Daily Mark Bonus when completed. I understand they removed this previously from the revised Red Alerts. In that situation there is no cooldown for rerun. Patrols, when completed, have a 30 Minute cooldown. In fact, due to these changes these new or revised Patrols invoke the cooldown even if left before completion.
The Mark payout is now 15 Marks for these Patrols instead of the normal 10 that used to be the case. But the lack of the Daily Bonus Mark award negates that in that you would have to run 11 Patrols in a day to make that up.
This ain't our first rodeo when it comes to changes in Marks rewards.
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I do believe the hammer just came down in STO: Awakening, and for the most part the only conclusion I can come to so far is that the title for this new release certainly is fitting in it's own unique way
I'm definitely awake and don't appreciate being squeezed - there's no other term I can think of for things such as a 11 to 1 patrol marks change and lack of daily bonus marks for FTFO's, among other things.
No disrespect intended just my honest opinion. Every cloud has a silver lining and perhaps I'm just failing to see it.
I neglected to add this in the initial post. Cryptics own comments about the Daily Bonus Marks when they were being introduced:
'Here’s how it will work:
Complete a task that would award reputation marks
Earn Daily Bonus Marks and the normal rewards for that task
It’s that simple. You can only earn Daily Bonus Marks for each reputation once per day though.'
And as far as the Marks Selection for the Featured TFO, I thought we were now in the present. If so, all those other Reputation Factions are within our realm of knowledge. If they want this to be Discovery Marks, that is the place of the TFO when it is no longer Featured.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Just because there are exception to any rules does not mean that one has to be happy about them or stop bringing his concern to the forums.
Everybody has the right to express his opinion, not just you dude. The difference in most cases is just that others somehow manage to do it the polite way.
We look at a noticeable nerf here. I have no personal stake in it as it “forces” peeps more into PvE which I even like but it does not change the fact that those taking advantage of marks from patrols can’t do so anymore.
They have every right to complain.
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Since you brought up Bonus Weekends, if you recall we used to get the Bonus Marks or Bonus Dilitium on a lot more stuff in the past. But when they removed the Weekend Bonus applicability from a number of items (Tier 5 Reputation Awards, Marks and Elite Marks conversions, Event conclusion Awards, Eppoh, Bird, or Monkey turnins) they told us beforehand. Klingon and Ferengi Admiralty Tour of Duty 10 of 10 rewards never got the Weekend Bonus but again they said so. Not like this, no visibility on Tribble, no mention in Blogs or Patch Notes.
Back to the Daily Bonus Marks, if you ran content, a Patrol, a TFO, a New Romulus Area Main Assignment you got the Daily Bonus (things like the trivial Marks Awards from tagging Eppohs, New Romulus Red Alerts didn't).
By the way, only VIP Mining Claims or mining in the Fleet Mine or Vlugta gave the 100% Bonus, everything else was 50%.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
[9/11 11:43] [Team] Protoneous@Protoneous: gg, ty
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 480 Dilithium Ore
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 2,966 Specialization Experience
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 2,708 Expertise
[9/11 11:43] [System] Item acquired: Normal Queue R&D Material Reward Package
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 40 Discovery Marks
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 55 Discovery Marks
[9/11 11:43] [System] You received 30 Appointment Progress - Mycelial Event
Apologies to all for not fact checking before posting. Apologies to Itminns for destroying your thread. Fiddlesticks. Previous post deleted. I stand by my original post. Taking a break in-game. Shooting at bad guys and saving the known galaxy is still fun and relaxing. I can say that with certainty.
There is no reason patrols shouldn't give daily marks. They are approximately as fast as most battlezone control points all of which give daily marks, two sets in the case of the Badlands. I think even the easy little missions in the Dyson sphere give daily marks, as do the New Romulus activities.
Lets hope this is an oversight of switching over to a new system for patrols, because daily marks are critical for leveling multiple characters through reputations at a reasonable pace.
Yeah, the lack of info about the changes is troublesome, no matter how many are happy that the "grinding bs" has been stopped (as if that did anything but make life easier for those that choose to go for it).
I can see two reasons for this:
1) It's not intended and they're gonna fix it SoonTM (though the patch notes for today's downtime make no mentions of this);
2) It was intended and they didn't say anything to avoid the inevitable backlash (better to ask for forgiveness than permission, uh?).
There's also the fact that they advertised the new Patrols as awarding dilithium (Source: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11240293-new-ways-to-play-patrols!)
Unless me and 90% of my fleetmates have been really, really unlucky... they don't.
Again, though, no mention of this in today's downtime patch notes.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
@jennycolvin While the new Discovery Patrols aren't awarding Dilithium, the revamped Delta Patrols do. And all of these new Patrols are awarding bonus XP, including Starship Mastery.
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Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
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- Marks choice reduced to either Fleet or Discovery for the FTFO (though I'm kinda on the fence on being able to call "Mycelial Realm" a real Featured, because of how the new system works);
- 30 mins cooldown even when leaving a Patrol before finishing it.
I'm not counting the no Daily Bonus Marks because you said is getting fixed, (do you have a link about that, btw? I forgot to ask when answering you before. Sorry, my memory is going down the drain
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
I'm rather annoyed with the 30 min cooldown on Patrols before finishing as I inadvertently entered one teamed up with someone somehow so I left. Got the cooldown. But I believe this may have something to do with grinding Patrols (looking at you Argala).
No link on the daily Marks bonus. I personally asked about this after seeing this thread and got that answer.
The Dilithium I didn't ask about, though. Delta Patrols are awarding Dilithium. Discovery Patrols are not. I assumed this was by design, and may have more to do with them being part of the Event at this time. I can try to check on that.
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You're preaching to the choir, here.
So, the link will actually be your post. Cool! (I manage the news channel on our fleet discord's server and I always try to put in the source, so everyone can go check it out for themselves!)
That would be appreciated, thank you!
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
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Pahvo Dissension
Operation Riposte
And don't forget the
Crystalline Cataclysm/Catastrophe
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
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Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'