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Idea for a system based off the Patrol system for Commendation and Exploration.
thevampinator
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Star Trek, ever since it came on Tv. Has been about what humanity could become. It has always had a idealistic future. A future based upon Exploring strange new worlds seeking out new life and civilizations to boldly go where no man has gone before. That is even part of the Captains Oath. Its the big big big most important thing Starfleet does its main mission and main mission above all other priorities other then maybe the Omega Directive is exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life. Star Trek Online has some exploration but not enough. Its such a low priority storyline wise. There also needs to be an overhaul with the commendation and I think this new system can basically serve the needs of getting commendation exp and most importantly Bringing back Exploration!
The old Exploration system won't come back doesn't mean they can't add in new exploration stuff. I'd like to see a new commendation system that not only adds in Exploration but other things too. These would be easy to do since they would be based off the patrol system.
The commendation system right now. Its outdated, its harder to level up the way its time gated and its not very fun the way it is right now. I'd like to be able to level it up a lot faster and seeing it give useful and unique rewards for maxing it out. It needs an update and adding it to the patrol system and making unique patrol like missions to level it up would be a major improvement. Here is the 11 commendations down below. How they would all till into this new system i'm proposing.
Diplomacy/Marauding
Science
Engineering
Military
Medical
Exploration
Espionage
Colonial
Trade
Development
Recruitment
What I would like to see is Maundering and Diplomacy to become Cross faction. Thus instead of the ten making eleven commendations that way. This system can reward based on cross faction instead of by faction. Making it easier for cryptic to set it up.
The New system would work like this based on the type of commendation patrol. These Patrols might not give normal exp or dil or marks or anything but give lots of commendation exp as compensation. Maybe a higher cooldown like five hours instead of 30 minutes
Here is what it would look like and depending on the kind of commendation patrol would reward commendation exp accordingly.
Examples of Exploration patrols- First contact, exploring new phenomenon, setting up probes, studying the effects of radiation, going undercover on a pre warp world that is about to develop warp drive, exploring strange new worlds. Depending on the type, it would reward trade, diplomacy, science, engineering, medical, development.
Development patrols would be helping in the development of a world or negotiation trade agreements, between powers, helping set up replicators, satellites, setting up colonies. Sending building materials. These patrols depending on the type of mission would reward, Development, Trade, Colonial, Medical, Recruitment, Engineering. Commendation.
Espionage Patrols are basically disabling, crippling going under cover to find out whats happening with hostile powers. Stealing secrets from powers that are hostile. Going undercover to either steal information and escape or go in and plant a bug without being detected, help recover a bug that was placed before. Sabotaging a location, rigging up explosives or deleting sensitive data.
Privater Patrols. Would basically be sanctioned to raid supplies, destory ships that are a threat to trade. Capture enemy vessels, take out enemy supply bases. Destroying space docks and other things. These missions would reward, privateering exp/Aka Marauding exp right now for kdf. Which could be renamed Privateering and made cross faction. While also giving a chance to give temp admirality cards to the mix.
Diplomacy patrols- Would be negotiating peace agreements, setting up trade deals. Negotating ship transfers. Convincing a hostile starship to stand down. Setting up negotiations between two rival governments and other things. Like Marauding diplomacy becoming cross faction. So Kdf has access too it they do have ambassadors and embassies after all.
Miltary patrols- would be setting up defenses, clearing out hostile enemies, trading military technology to ally powers. Defending a location from a threat. Destroying enemy supply routes and space docks. Sending repair teams to a disabled vessel while you defend it. Escorting a vessel to point a to point b. Depending on the patrol, it would reward military, recruitment, engineering, development, trade depending on the type of patrol it is.
New Commendation max out rewards. To make doing the system worth while. I think each one should have a unique reward.
The commendation rewards can be bridge officers or Outfits.
Medical maxout reward, Beverly's Labcoat from the next generation- Cross faction.
Science Maxout Reward. Civilian Science Coat seen on Satra and other npcs.
Engineering. La-forge First contact eye implants cross faction.
Privater maxout- A unique outfit that is fitting for a pirate.
Diplomacy maxout- Unique ambassadors outfit that can be used by allies in the jemhadar and romulan republic for both kdf and federation, federation has one but should be made accessible to Romulans and Jem Hadars and kdf should have their own version of the outfit. Romulans have their unique embassy outfit. That doesn't require commendation.
Development maxout- A civilian outfit.
Military max out-. Starfleet security outfit seen in the tos movies, along with a variant type for kdf and romulan republic.
Espionage max out. Tal-Shiar Capes and belts and ranks. Along with a unique section 31, House of Mokai, Tal-Shiar Turncoat Bridge officer.
Recruitment- a unique faction recruiters outfit based on the main uniform for all four factions.
Star Trek has always been about the idealistic and possible future of humanity if it ever overcomes its worst impulses. The concept of the show itself was always about the exploration of not only the human condition but to explore and show humanity as it explores and seeks out new life. Some think that exploration isn't the important thing it's just the human condition that being explored. But Star Trek has always been about exploration on the federation side. Exploring alien races, learning about alien races and also most importantly exploring ourselves.
Each of the factions of the game has different principles.
Klingon Empire is about honor and conquest, defending Klingon Values.
Romulan Republic is about recovery and not making the mistakes of the past, unification and peace.
Dominion is about defense of the dominion and the glory of the serving the founders.
Ferengi Alliance is all about commerce and free trade materialism and wealth.
Federation is about diversity, idealism, exploration defending core values while no longer suffering under the worst impuses like greed, materialism and other things the bygones of the past. Exploring not only themselves but each other and everyone through exploration.
What Star Trek Online has done well was unite the factions into an alliance. In a way that is serving the vision of what star trek is about. Coming together, and I think that is one of the best things about Sto. But I have to quote Captain Picard here in saying do you remember when we use to be explorers? I might be wrong in what I said about exploration being the most imporant thing it isn't but its a big part of the identity of what Star Trek has always has been about. I'd like to see a time when we can explore again. I think it was polled by them exploration being the one thing people wanted the most at one point. From what I understand. It doesn't matter how its done.
I'd like to see it come back and not just war and pew pew pew. Got so much pew pew pew, a couple of missions without a combat focus but a deep story focus into exploration would be nice heck even a story arc with no combat but just exploration would be nice. Anything that can be done to add more exploration and not just war pew pew pew would be very nice indeed. I hope some day they will do it. I'm not saying they should remove combat altogether heck no but make it not be what sto is wholly focused on. So having breaks from it in some missions at least and have more exploration in its place would make the game feel like star trek. Sure there can be combat missions and queues. Doesn't mean every mission has to be a combat and live an death situation. Nope it does not.
The old Exploration system won't come back doesn't mean they can't add in new exploration stuff. I'd like to see a new commendation system that not only adds in Exploration but other things too. These would be easy to do since they would be based off the patrol system.
The commendation system right now. Its outdated, its harder to level up the way its time gated and its not very fun the way it is right now. I'd like to be able to level it up a lot faster and seeing it give useful and unique rewards for maxing it out. It needs an update and adding it to the patrol system and making unique patrol like missions to level it up would be a major improvement. Here is the 11 commendations down below. How they would all till into this new system i'm proposing.
Diplomacy/Marauding
Science
Engineering
Military
Medical
Exploration
Espionage
Colonial
Trade
Development
Recruitment
What I would like to see is Maundering and Diplomacy to become Cross faction. Thus instead of the ten making eleven commendations that way. This system can reward based on cross faction instead of by faction. Making it easier for cryptic to set it up.
The New system would work like this based on the type of commendation patrol. These Patrols might not give normal exp or dil or marks or anything but give lots of commendation exp as compensation. Maybe a higher cooldown like five hours instead of 30 minutes
Here is what it would look like and depending on the kind of commendation patrol would reward commendation exp accordingly.
Examples of Exploration patrols- First contact, exploring new phenomenon, setting up probes, studying the effects of radiation, going undercover on a pre warp world that is about to develop warp drive, exploring strange new worlds. Depending on the type, it would reward trade, diplomacy, science, engineering, medical, development.
Development patrols would be helping in the development of a world or negotiation trade agreements, between powers, helping set up replicators, satellites, setting up colonies. Sending building materials. These patrols depending on the type of mission would reward, Development, Trade, Colonial, Medical, Recruitment, Engineering. Commendation.
Espionage Patrols are basically disabling, crippling going under cover to find out whats happening with hostile powers. Stealing secrets from powers that are hostile. Going undercover to either steal information and escape or go in and plant a bug without being detected, help recover a bug that was placed before. Sabotaging a location, rigging up explosives or deleting sensitive data.
Privater Patrols. Would basically be sanctioned to raid supplies, destory ships that are a threat to trade. Capture enemy vessels, take out enemy supply bases. Destroying space docks and other things. These missions would reward, privateering exp/Aka Marauding exp right now for kdf. Which could be renamed Privateering and made cross faction. While also giving a chance to give temp admirality cards to the mix.
Diplomacy patrols- Would be negotiating peace agreements, setting up trade deals. Negotating ship transfers. Convincing a hostile starship to stand down. Setting up negotiations between two rival governments and other things. Like Marauding diplomacy becoming cross faction. So Kdf has access too it they do have ambassadors and embassies after all.
Miltary patrols- would be setting up defenses, clearing out hostile enemies, trading military technology to ally powers. Defending a location from a threat. Destroying enemy supply routes and space docks. Sending repair teams to a disabled vessel while you defend it. Escorting a vessel to point a to point b. Depending on the patrol, it would reward military, recruitment, engineering, development, trade depending on the type of patrol it is.
New Commendation max out rewards. To make doing the system worth while. I think each one should have a unique reward.
The commendation rewards can be bridge officers or Outfits.
Medical maxout reward, Beverly's Labcoat from the next generation- Cross faction.
Science Maxout Reward. Civilian Science Coat seen on Satra and other npcs.
Engineering. La-forge First contact eye implants cross faction.
Privater maxout- A unique outfit that is fitting for a pirate.
Diplomacy maxout- Unique ambassadors outfit that can be used by allies in the jemhadar and romulan republic for both kdf and federation, federation has one but should be made accessible to Romulans and Jem Hadars and kdf should have their own version of the outfit. Romulans have their unique embassy outfit. That doesn't require commendation.
Development maxout- A civilian outfit.
Military max out-. Starfleet security outfit seen in the tos movies, along with a variant type for kdf and romulan republic.
Espionage max out. Tal-Shiar Capes and belts and ranks. Along with a unique section 31, House of Mokai, Tal-Shiar Turncoat Bridge officer.
Recruitment- a unique faction recruiters outfit based on the main uniform for all four factions.
Star Trek has always been about the idealistic and possible future of humanity if it ever overcomes its worst impulses. The concept of the show itself was always about the exploration of not only the human condition but to explore and show humanity as it explores and seeks out new life. Some think that exploration isn't the important thing it's just the human condition that being explored. But Star Trek has always been about exploration on the federation side. Exploring alien races, learning about alien races and also most importantly exploring ourselves.
Each of the factions of the game has different principles.
Klingon Empire is about honor and conquest, defending Klingon Values.
Romulan Republic is about recovery and not making the mistakes of the past, unification and peace.
Dominion is about defense of the dominion and the glory of the serving the founders.
Ferengi Alliance is all about commerce and free trade materialism and wealth.
Federation is about diversity, idealism, exploration defending core values while no longer suffering under the worst impuses like greed, materialism and other things the bygones of the past. Exploring not only themselves but each other and everyone through exploration.
What Star Trek Online has done well was unite the factions into an alliance. In a way that is serving the vision of what star trek is about. Coming together, and I think that is one of the best things about Sto. But I have to quote Captain Picard here in saying do you remember when we use to be explorers? I might be wrong in what I said about exploration being the most imporant thing it isn't but its a big part of the identity of what Star Trek has always has been about. I'd like to see a time when we can explore again. I think it was polled by them exploration being the one thing people wanted the most at one point. From what I understand. It doesn't matter how its done.
I'd like to see it come back and not just war and pew pew pew. Got so much pew pew pew, a couple of missions without a combat focus but a deep story focus into exploration would be nice heck even a story arc with no combat but just exploration would be nice. Anything that can be done to add more exploration and not just war pew pew pew would be very nice indeed. I hope some day they will do it. I'm not saying they should remove combat altogether heck no but make it not be what sto is wholly focused on. So having breaks from it in some missions at least and have more exploration in its place would make the game feel like star trek. Sure there can be combat missions and queues. Doesn't mean every mission has to be a combat and live an death situation. Nope it does not.
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Its its fundimental identity. Yes it was about exploring the Human Condition. But the exploration of space. The Importance of exploration to be the very core of the identity of Starfleet. Is also the biggest part of startrek and why so many people liked it. Exploration of both the human condition plus exploration of new worlds is what makes star trek star trek. Right now its more star wars then Star Wars. Without that So called Exploration Mcguffin star trek just isn't star trek. The captains oath the thing picard, kirk spock and other crew of the various enterprise ships has said there is meaning behind those words detailing what the federation and starfleet stands for every Federation star ship captain has to take up this oath. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Captain's_Oath
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship _________. Her ___________ (Depends on weather it has a five year or four year then that blank is filled in with her five year mission or four year. If the starship doesn't have such a mission the then oath you would just say her mission)) mission: to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before
That is the captains oath. The fundimental core mission exploration and seeking out new life and civilizations. That is the mission that is what Star Trek is about and that was Genes Vision of the future of Humanity. Overcoming the worst of our qualties and becoming explorers of not only ourselves but space as well. To deny space exploration is to deny Gene's vision of the idealistic future of humanity as that too is part of the human condition and humanities mission. To explore and learn. So yes I'd really like to see it added to Sto because I want to be able to boldly explore strange new worlds and seek out new life. Just like Captain Kirk, Archer, Sisko, Picard, Janeway, Pike and all the other captains have been doing for centuries. If I wanted constant war I would just play Star Wars. I feel Star Trek Online needs to go back to what the namesake stands for. In ways it does with the unity and the alliance of faction's all coming together through tragedy. But its not the same without exploration being a major focus.
Yes there is other stuff like that. But exploration is still a big core of it. That is why there needs to exploration mixed in and a lot more of it. Starfleet even when at war there is still a bit of exploration. Starfleet is a deep space exploration and defense agency for the federation. So its based off of Real Life Nasa and it has military like structure but isn't a military as its primary focus has always been exploration. Many movies and the tv shows have covered this quite clearly. Star fleet also helps after warp societies restructure their societies for those worlds that want to join up with the federation and it has been quite successful. So exploration serves another big importance to the federation gaining new member worlds. So the work Starfleet does isn't just for exploration but the betterment of the galaxy.
Not denying it's a tough thing to reproduce in quantity over a long period of time in a game though. It's one of those 'I'd love to see more of it but how do they do it' sort of things.
The Patrol system is the best method I think. Since they are easy to do. Plus there is many that do kinda feel a bit like exploration though short they do give us a glimpse of the universe around us. But those are as old as the games launch I'd imagine and given they are doing new patrols now. It would be a perfect opportunity to go back into what has been missing all these years. They mentioned it was a lot easier to make patrols then it is to make a full mission. Takes about a day to do it plus maybe the coding them into the system which takes longer. So Making Patrols would be kinda like short treks. As they put it maybe their version of short treks why not also make it their system of exploration? Doesn't need to be a fancy map or fancy ground design just gots to make us feel the adventure and the exploration. So its totally possible for them to do. I mean they could give us sixty whole new exploration mini missions out of sixty days of work not counting the programing of new patrols. If they wanted too I'd imagine. It takes like several months to program several missions and can only launch so many at a time. While with the patrols they can do a lot more compared to missions themselves.
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The MORE specific and detailed the proposal, the LESS likely it is to actually happen.
I dont mean to kill your dream, but beyond a simply worded suggestion of what you would like, typing out all the specific ways you want it to happen is essentially a waste of time. Even IF the devs like a general idea, they are going to design it THEIR way, not yours.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You're not wrong in the above. I hope that one day the gap is filled. It'll be no small task to do so though. Posts like yours help keep the dream alive.
It's encouraging to see Cryptic introducing new patrols. You have to start somewhere.