Not sure what to think about the Pilot maneuvers only being available on the fleet version.
Never really mastered the pilot maneuvers so i won't miss them, but i wonder about the precedent this sets.
I am curious, what negative precedent are you concerned with?
The 'regular' version is actually still a fleet ship. It's officer/specialist seating and 11 consoles are a full fleet level ship from the Event store just like we're used to getting every year.
The 'fleet version' just adds the pilot maneuvers and a little extra hull/shield modifier and is completely optional.
I think they would have avoided a lot of confusion if they called the Fleet Version the 'Pilot Version,' or 'Enhanced' version.
Even if you don't spend a fleet module, you're still getting a full, fleet level, T6 account wide ship unlock. Nothing has been lost the only change is the addition of the option to get just slightly more if you want it. They didn't nerf the base ship to encourage the fleet unlock.
I honestly don't see a problem here.
It adds the same 10% hull and shields you usually get with the upgrade from normal to Fleet ships. The only quality the T6 corvette has that is undeniably "Fleet grade", is the amount of console slots. Everything else is really in line with normal T6 ships.
Even if we assume the T6 corvette is "Fleet grade" (which is fair, if we consider the T5 one is as well), this Fleet Pilot one is then one step above it, creating a new class and a precedent for better versions of "Fleet grade" ships. Basically a way of making a T7 ship without calling it T7. Like say an "Improved Fleet TRIBBLE" that is a copy of a regular Fleet ship with more hp and shields on top.
Hell there's not even a mention of a Risian spcific interior either. What a lazy unscrupulous greedy job.
There never was a Risian Bridge, even back in T5. So how is it lazy if the T5s never had them either? Also... what would it look like? A frickin' Tiki Bar?
Precisely! It's been asked for for years! Now they bring us not one, but even two new versions of a Risian ship and still not a corresponding bridge. So even after you spend a month to get the T6 corvette, you'll still be missing the one thing the bloody thing needed AND you'll know someone who can afford to buy a ship for every character still has a better version. I'm sick of this TRIBBLE.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
that is undeniably "Fleet grade", is the amount of console slots. Everything else is really in line with normal T6 ships.
Even if we assume the T6 corvette is "Fleet grade" (which is fair, if we consider the T5 one is as well), this Fleet Pilot one is then one step above it, creating a new class and a precedent for better versions of "Fleet grade" ships. Basically a way of making a T7 ship without calling it T7. Like say an "Improved Fleet TRIBBLE" that is a copy of a regular Fleet ship with more hp and shields on top.
That is absolutely absurd. Adding 10% to hull and shields and Pilot Maneuvers in no way makes this ship greater then T6. Even at the 'best version' it still pales in comparison to the Andorian Escorts or even the first generation Pilot ships that all come with all that and more (like 5/3 layouts) straight from the store. It's full version is right on par with a Fleet Magee which is your standard, run of the mill T6 Pilot Ship.
The 'Pilot Version' is nothing more then a cool little option that is there if you want it.. for cheap. The assertion that it's a T7 ship is absolutely ridiculous. We already have T6 ships with 13 consoles.. the idea that this thing is somehow a step forward in overall power is just laughable.
The whole discussion is a ridiculous way of making something insignificant into something major. This is nothing more then a fun little 'throw in' option that is there if you want it. If you don't want it.. you lose nothing.
I think the T5 version looks sleeker and nicer honestly, also I prefer the way the nacelle lights are shaped much more uniquely on the T5 as opposed to the T6.
To be fair, chances are you'll be able to use the T5 skin on the T6 model.
I am assuming that as well. It doesn't say for sure, but it would be odd if you couldn't use the T5 parts on the T6.
It should have a pretty nice assortment of kit bashing options.
I think the T5 version looks sleeker and nicer honestly, also I prefer the way the nacelle lights are shaped much more uniquely on the T5 as opposed to the T6.
To be fair, chances are you'll be able to use the T5 skin on the T6 model.
Hell there's not even a mention of a Risian spcific interior either. What a lazy unscrupulous greedy job.
There never was a Risian Bridge, even back in T5. So how is it lazy if the T5s never had them either? Also... what would it look like? A frickin' Tiki Bar?
I hope they make a Risian ship layout, to be honest.
I was going to make a Foundry mission with one of the Risian ships as the basis of the mission. Think 'Love Boat' meets 'Star Trek' meets murder mystery. Alas, none to be found. So I settled for a standard 'go there, destroy that' mission instead. Pity.
that is undeniably "Fleet grade", is the amount of console slots. Everything else is really in line with normal T6 ships.
Even if we assume the T6 corvette is "Fleet grade" (which is fair, if we consider the T5 one is as well), this Fleet Pilot one is then one step above it, creating a new class and a precedent for better versions of "Fleet grade" ships. Basically a way of making a T7 ship without calling it T7. Like say an "Improved Fleet TRIBBLE" that is a copy of a regular Fleet ship with more hp and shields on top.
That is absolutely absurd. Adding 10% to hull and shields and Pilot Maneuvers in no way makes this ship greater then T6. Even at the 'best version' it still pales in comparison to the Andorian Escorts or even the first generation Pilot ships that all come with all that and more (like 5/3 layouts) straight from the store. It's full version is right on par with a Fleet Magee which is your standard, run of the mill T6 Pilot Ship.
The 'Pilot Version' is nothing more then a cool little option that is there if you want it.. for cheap. The assertion that it's a T7 ship is absolutely ridiculous. We already have T6 ships with 13 consoles.. the idea that this thing is somehow a step forward in overall power is just laughable.
The whole discussion is a ridiculous way of making something insignificant into something major. This is nothing more then a fun little 'throw in' option that is there if you want it. If you don't want it.. you lose nothing.
Don't you see it? If you argue the Pilot Corvette is barely competitive, doesn't that make the event T6 Corvette laughably underpowered for a would be "Fleet grade" ship?
You cannot argue that the Pilot one is week and at the same time claim that the event one is fine. Up until now, event ships (withat blasted Dyson destroyer exception) were definitive "Fleet grade" ships. That is no longer the case, that is revolting.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Boy, somebody is angry just because they aren't getting the Risian interior they wanted. And while most of the other event ships do have their own special bridges/interior, that is not what makes a ship great. Plus some of us are actually tired of being stuck with only the special bridge as an option. I like the fact that I can customize the interiors of this ship.
Plus, you call the programmers lazy. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT IS ON THEM RIGHT NOW? They are working on three different platforms, trying to keep everything running smoothly as well as building new stuff for each. That means they are one team basically working on three different games, each a unique code version of STO for each platform. And I think their team is smaller then it used to be. So they are not lazy. They are probably overworked.
And as for this ship being overpowered, does it have one or two hanger bays? Does it have swarming fighters? How about 5 forward weapons slots and 4 device slots? How about Advanced Beams or an insane amount of hull points for a smaller ship? Is its very existence causing Cryptic to rethink their act of putting in the game? The only overpowered ships currently in the game are the T6 Disc Flightdeck Cruisers.
The corvette just has speed and maneuverability. There is not even anything major to boost weapon or shield power built in. They can add Pilot maneuvers and a little bit of hit points but it still doesn't change the ship that much. If it isn't moving or swerving fast enough and an enemy with seriously boosted accuracy gets a few good hits, it can still be destroyed. So it is not overpowered, but in the right hands neither is it under powered. It just needs an experienced player to bring out the best in it.
I've been dog fighting in my T5U at impulse speeds in the range of 200 to 400 impulse speed units. Normal ships speeds are 100 or less (not talking about FULL impulse, just normal fighting speeds). And just last night, using what equipment I already have (and I have been a free player for a long time who doesn't buy very much so i certainly don't have everything available to boost speed), I got my corvette's straight line speed up to 3,500 impulse units for a moment. I crossed the entire Gon'Cra battle zone, wall to wall, in just a moment. But i could only fly straight at those speeds. And I have heard of players who got more than 4000 isu out of their corvettes in the past. But good luck trying to dog fight at anything over 400 isu. You likely won't be able to even stay in fighting range of the enemy ship, no matter your maneuverability
Still the Risian corvette at any teir is the fastest ship in the game. And in my book, one of the most fun ships to fly. And a special interior is not gonna make it any better for me.
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Man this is great! Not only are they giving us yet another free account wide Tier 6 ship with 11 console slots, they're also making a second even better version available for the graciously low price of 20k fleet credits and a single fleet ship module per character. And what is the response from the entitled crowd around here? Another rage and flame fest over nothing. Heck, even the fleet ship module is free if you simply play the game with any regularity. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the game.
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It makes me wonder if the Risian Luxury Cruiser (T6) next year will also have a specialist fleet version and if so for what speciality. Pilot is unlikely. Intelligence is thematically inapproiate, Temporal is possible, but its not really thematic either, Command would be strange, its a Luxury Cruiser it doesn't lead fleets. Perhaps that leaves Miracle Worker, but I find that iffy. Perhaps instead of giving it a Specialization, it just gain a hanger that can launch Risian Corvettes. Once again it'd be great to have Risian Boffs and Doffs to go with it.
Just for the record, I never argued that either version is 'barely competitive.'
I think the stats on this ship are actually quite well thought out. It's a good ship, not horribly underpowered and not over the top. Both the standard and 'Pilot' version are both right in line statistically with what they should be.
I think they have done a good job with this release and I look forward to getting the ship.
Yeah I'm going to let my Jem try this one out in lieu of the standard bug he flies now. Should be a similar feel only a little sturdier and even faster. Should be fun!
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The only clear negative about this Risian Corvette imo is that maybe Cryptic is abandoning the unique, I think it was only for this Corvette, feature of that higher speed means better defense mechanic.
At least it isn't mentioned in the link so I'm guessing Cryptic isn't carrying it over from the T5 to this T6 & that's a shame.
Also, it seems the Ten Forward Weekly isn't functioning properly today lol.
Increasing your speed always leads to an increase in your defensive rating. This works on every single ship.
Yes yes, but the Corvette had some innate ability so not sure if you are just trolling or ignorant of that fact.
"It also comes with an innate Defense bonus based on the ship's speed, granting a Defense bonus up to +15%." from sto.gamepedia.com
"Furthermore the ship has a smaller sensor shadow which provides additional defense against targeted attacks up to 15% (non AOE)." from startrekonlinecouv.wordpress.com
Then again, the orifinal vette was released I guess way back in 2013.
Increasing your speed always leads to an increase in your defensive rating. This works on every single ship.
Yes yes, but the Corvette had some innate ability so not sure if you are just trolling or ignorant of that fact.
"It also comes with an innate Defense bonus based on the ship's speed, granting a Defense bonus up to +15%." from sto.gamepedia.com
"Furthermore the ship has a smaller sensor shadow which provides additional defense against targeted attacks up to 15% (non AOE)." from startrekonlinecouv.wordpress.com
Then again, the orifinal vette was released I guess way back in 2013.
No I wasn't aware of that innate ability. That's a pretty decent feature. I guess we'll see if it's on the T6 version or not but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
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We pretty much have 23 ships with pilot maneuvers in the game now (13 of which are faction based doubles which boils down to 10 unique ships), in very few aspects the corvette is probably the weakest of the lot but it does have some awesome space barbie customization options which the other pilot ships don't have.
Increasing your speed always leads to an increase in your defensive rating. This works on every single ship.
Yes yes, but the Corvette had some innate ability so not sure if you are just trolling or ignorant of that fact.
"It also comes with an innate Defense bonus based on the ship's speed, granting a Defense bonus up to +15%." from sto.gamepedia.com
"Furthermore the ship has a smaller sensor shadow which provides additional defense against targeted attacks up to 15% (non AOE)." from startrekonlinecouv.wordpress.com
Then again, the orifinal vette was released I guess way back in 2013.
No I wasn't aware of that innate ability. That's a pretty decent feature. I guess we'll see if it's on the T6 version or not but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
I agree everyone should get this ship, I probably won't rush to earn a FSM to upgrade this corvette, but at this stage pretty much all ships are good-enough unless one is chasing a top trophy category.
Sadly after some researching I guess the T5 version's unique feature was"broken" sometime back & it is unclear whether Cryptic ever devoted time to fix it & if they didn't then would make sense this T6 version won't have it. More of the same "streamlining" I guess.
I watched a YouTube video recently & what really impressed me was the variety of ship-tailor options this T6 vette has, well done Cryptic! It also makes me wonder why most ships don't have that attention to detail though :-(
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did you check at the regular ship requisitions guy? usually i get the fleet ships there. just filter for fleet.
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Agreed, also no Event ship in the history of STO has been a full Spec ship. C-store T6 ships have 2 Boff seats with Spec option, Event ships have 1. C-Store T6 ships have special abilities, like Pilot Manuvers, Miracle Worker stuff, etc. Event ships don't get those. For the first time we have an option, which costs us nothing. Take the normal Event-grade ship we always get, and if we want, get one that comes with the special stuff no Event ship has ever gotten before for one of the 13 free FSMs we can earn and a paltry sum of FCs to get the equivalent of the Command Battlecruisers. A C-Store T6 Fleet Grade full spec ship for 0 dollars, something never before possible with an Event ship.
That basically said what I was trying to say.. only better.
The thought that people are complaining about this is just unreal to me. All they did this year was give us even more for free and people act like they lost something. Amazing.
Man this is great! Not only are they giving us yet another free account wide Tier 6 ship with 11 console slots, they're also making a second even better version available for the graciously low price of 20k fleet credits and a single fleet ship module per character. And what is the response from the entitled crowd around here? Another rage and flame fest over nothing. Heck, even the fleet ship module is free if you simply play the game with any regularity. Get over yourselves and just enjoy the game.
I apologize if this has been already answered but if we can get two ships (The event one and the Pilot version) why does the poster say "upgrade" instead of " be able to buy another one" ? I must admit I'm a bit confused about that, do we get only one upgradeable ship or we can get really two? Thanks in advance for any clarification
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It adds the same 10% hull and shields you usually get with the upgrade from normal to Fleet ships. The only quality the T6 corvette has that is undeniably "Fleet grade", is the amount of console slots. Everything else is really in line with normal T6 ships.
Even if we assume the T6 corvette is "Fleet grade" (which is fair, if we consider the T5 one is as well), this Fleet Pilot one is then one step above it, creating a new class and a precedent for better versions of "Fleet grade" ships. Basically a way of making a T7 ship without calling it T7. Like say an "Improved Fleet TRIBBLE" that is a copy of a regular Fleet ship with more hp and shields on top.
Precisely! It's been asked for for years! Now they bring us not one, but even two new versions of a Risian ship and still not a corresponding bridge. So even after you spend a month to get the T6 corvette, you'll still be missing the one thing the bloody thing needed AND you'll know someone who can afford to buy a ship for every character still has a better version. I'm sick of this TRIBBLE.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
That is absolutely absurd. Adding 10% to hull and shields and Pilot Maneuvers in no way makes this ship greater then T6. Even at the 'best version' it still pales in comparison to the Andorian Escorts or even the first generation Pilot ships that all come with all that and more (like 5/3 layouts) straight from the store. It's full version is right on par with a Fleet Magee which is your standard, run of the mill T6 Pilot Ship.
The 'Pilot Version' is nothing more then a cool little option that is there if you want it.. for cheap. The assertion that it's a T7 ship is absolutely ridiculous. We already have T6 ships with 13 consoles.. the idea that this thing is somehow a step forward in overall power is just laughable.
The whole discussion is a ridiculous way of making something insignificant into something major. This is nothing more then a fun little 'throw in' option that is there if you want it. If you don't want it.. you lose nothing.
I am assuming that as well. It doesn't say for sure, but it would be odd if you couldn't use the T5 parts on the T6.
It should have a pretty nice assortment of kit bashing options.
I hope they make a Risian ship layout, to be honest.
I was going to make a Foundry mission with one of the Risian ships as the basis of the mission. Think 'Love Boat' meets 'Star Trek' meets murder mystery. Alas, none to be found. So I settled for a standard 'go there, destroy that' mission instead. Pity.
Don't you see it? If you argue the Pilot Corvette is barely competitive, doesn't that make the event T6 Corvette laughably underpowered for a would be "Fleet grade" ship?
You cannot argue that the Pilot one is week and at the same time claim that the event one is fine. Up until now, event ships (withat blasted Dyson destroyer exception) were definitive "Fleet grade" ships. That is no longer the case, that is revolting.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Plus, you call the programmers lazy. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT IS ON THEM RIGHT NOW? They are working on three different platforms, trying to keep everything running smoothly as well as building new stuff for each. That means they are one team basically working on three different games, each a unique code version of STO for each platform. And I think their team is smaller then it used to be. So they are not lazy. They are probably overworked.
And as for this ship being overpowered, does it have one or two hanger bays? Does it have swarming fighters? How about 5 forward weapons slots and 4 device slots? How about Advanced Beams or an insane amount of hull points for a smaller ship? Is its very existence causing Cryptic to rethink their act of putting in the game? The only overpowered ships currently in the game are the T6 Disc Flightdeck Cruisers.
The corvette just has speed and maneuverability. There is not even anything major to boost weapon or shield power built in. They can add Pilot maneuvers and a little bit of hit points but it still doesn't change the ship that much. If it isn't moving or swerving fast enough and an enemy with seriously boosted accuracy gets a few good hits, it can still be destroyed. So it is not overpowered, but in the right hands neither is it under powered. It just needs an experienced player to bring out the best in it.
I've been dog fighting in my T5U at impulse speeds in the range of 200 to 400 impulse speed units. Normal ships speeds are 100 or less (not talking about FULL impulse, just normal fighting speeds). And just last night, using what equipment I already have (and I have been a free player for a long time who doesn't buy very much so i certainly don't have everything available to boost speed), I got my corvette's straight line speed up to 3,500 impulse units for a moment. I crossed the entire Gon'Cra battle zone, wall to wall, in just a moment. But i could only fly straight at those speeds. And I have heard of players who got more than 4000 isu out of their corvettes in the past. But good luck trying to dog fight at anything over 400 isu. You likely won't be able to even stay in fighting range of the enemy ship, no matter your maneuverability
Still the Risian corvette at any teir is the fastest ship in the game. And in my book, one of the most fun ships to fly. And a special interior is not gonna make it any better for me.
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Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
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I think the stats on this ship are actually quite well thought out. It's a good ship, not horribly underpowered and not over the top. Both the standard and 'Pilot' version are both right in line statistically with what they should be.
I think they have done a good job with this release and I look forward to getting the ship.
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At least it isn't mentioned in the link so I'm guessing Cryptic isn't carrying it over from the T5 to this T6 & that's a shame.
Also, it seems the Ten Forward Weekly isn't functioning properly today lol.
Yes yes, but the Corvette had some innate ability so not sure if you are just trolling or ignorant of that fact.
"It also comes with an innate Defense bonus based on the ship's speed, granting a Defense bonus up to +15%." from sto.gamepedia.com
"Furthermore the ship has a smaller sensor shadow which provides additional defense against targeted attacks up to 15% (non AOE)." from startrekonlinecouv.wordpress.com
Then again, the orifinal vette was released I guess way back in 2013.
I agree everyone should get this ship, I probably won't rush to earn a FSM to upgrade this corvette, but at this stage pretty much all ships are good-enough unless one is chasing a top trophy category.
Sadly after some researching I guess the T5 version's unique feature was"broken" sometime back & it is unclear whether Cryptic ever devoted time to fix it & if they didn't then would make sense this T6 version won't have it. More of the same "streamlining" I guess.
I watched a YouTube video recently & what really impressed me was the variety of ship-tailor options this T6 vette has, well done Cryptic! It also makes me wonder why most ships don't have that attention to detail though :-(
Anyone? I don't normally bump, but this seems like a big deal.
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> @lopequil From your Fleet shipyard.
I don’t see it there.
No one knows the answer to your question and won't know for another couple weeks.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
That basically said what I was trying to say.. only better.
The thought that people are complaining about this is just unreal to me. All they did this year was give us even more for free and people act like they lost something. Amazing.
Maybe the NX-(insert number) could overlay the paint job?
I apologize if this has been already answered but if we can get two ships (The event one and the Pilot version) why does the poster say "upgrade" instead of " be able to buy another one" ? I must admit I'm a bit confused about that, do we get only one upgradeable ship or we can get really two? Thanks in advance for any clarification