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New hairstyles and hair shininess

frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
The latest patch has added several new hairstyles to the game.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11189833
  • Woven Hair (Female hair choice) should no longer look metallic.
  • New "Version 2" of some existing female hairs have been updated and added.

See the links below for pictures.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/c2z6is/new_version_2_female_hairstyle_showcasecomparison/


While I think the new hairstyles look good in general, one thing caught my attention: They don't have a "Shininess" slider.

Hair shininess has been broken since the beginning of "Rise of Discovery" (see the bug report below).

Holodeck ticket 4,861,346: Hair has lost its shine

It was similarly broken after the updates to hair and skin in January, but it was later fixed on Holodeck, only to be broken again by "Rise of Discovery".

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11073633
https://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1246448/pc-updates-to-hair-and-skin-textures

Since the newer hairstyles do not have a "Shininess" slider and the slider is still broken on older hairstyles, is this part of a plan to eventually remove the hair "Shininess" slider from the game? Or is someone working on fixing it?
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    This is an important issue that needs resolving - There is only one man for the job:

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    'Only your hairdresser knows for sure.' :)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,687 Community Moderator
    valoreah wrote: »
    Those "new version 2" hairstyles don't look any different to me.

    They're the same hairstyles, but much more detail. I can actually tell the difference between Ponytail 1 and Ponytail 1 v2. It actually looks more like hair and not just a piece of plastic with a hair texture.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    I personally always turn the shininess down as low as possible anyway (which still isn't low enough imho), the shine makes the hair look like a plastic helmet imo.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    I'm pretty sure it is, both female Ponytail 2 and 4 are available to males as Ponytail 1 and 2 so the new versions should be as well.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Male ponytails?? And no mullets!!! :)
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    I'm pretty sure it is, both female Ponytail 2 and 4 are available to males as Ponytail 1 and 2 so the new versions should be as well.

    I'm pretty sure it isn't, as the patch notes specifically state that it was the female versions of those hairstyles that were updated.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    They need to make a scruffier or thinner version of the long ponytail for male toons, the current one looks a bit too puffy for them imo.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    Yes it is. I want them and they're not available. That's a bug to me.​​
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  • kobonkobon Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    They for some mysterious reason removed the BALD/NONE hair option from female aliens with humanoid heads.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    I'm pretty sure it is, both female Ponytail 2 and 4 are available to males as Ponytail 1 and 2 so the new versions should be as well.
    Or rather, a separate model fit for the male head. It may look the same and has the same name, but is nonetheless it's own item and will have to be worked on separately rather than just "made available."
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    I'm pretty sure it is, both female Ponytail 2 and 4 are available to males as Ponytail 1 and 2 so the new versions should be as well.
    Or rather, a separate model fit for the male head. It may look the same and has the same name, but is nonetheless it's own item and will have to be worked on separately rather than just "made available."

    Why would there be any additional work needed? As far as I can tell the only difference between male and female heads in STO are the preset shapes and males having access to facial hair. The bodies are obviously different, but hair doesn't interact with the body in any way.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    I'm pretty sure it is, both female Ponytail 2 and 4 are available to males as Ponytail 1 and 2 so the new versions should be as well.
    Or rather, a separate model fit for the male head. It may look the same and has the same name, but is nonetheless it's own item and will have to be worked on separately rather than just "made available."

    Why would there be any additional work needed? As far as I can tell the only difference between male and female heads in STO are the preset shapes and males having access to facial hair. The bodies are obviously different, but hair doesn't interact with the body in any way.
    Regardless of any visible differences, it is a separate item.
  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    There's a bug. None of these styles are available for male characters.

    That's not a bug.

    It might not be a bug, but it would be nice to have male versions of the new hairstyles. The male ponytail hairstyles, in particular, are similar to the female versions, so I don't see why they shouldn't get their own updated versions as well. That's probably something they're working on. The bigger problem right now is that that hair shininess is broken on all the older hairstyles. It's as if someone turned off a switch and completely disabled hair shininess.

    kobon wrote: »
    They for some mysterious reason removed the BALD/NONE hair option from female aliens with humanoid heads.

    If that's true, then that's probably a bug.

    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Why would there be any additional work needed? As far as I can tell the only difference between male and female heads in STO are the preset shapes and males having access to facial hair. The bodies are obviously different, but hair doesn't interact with the body in any way.

    There are some small differences between the male and female ponytail hairstyles, in particular, the hairline and the placement of the bangs. This is something I complained about the last time they changed the ponytail hairstyles years ago; they shifted the hairline and the bangs for no apparent reason. It seems that they want to address the issues with hairstyles by creating completely new ones instead of changing the old ones, and that's fine with me. My guess is that they are probably working on new male hairstyles; they're just not finished yet.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    artan42 wrote: »
    Yes it is. I want them and they're not available. That's a bug to me.​​

    Wanting something that isn't there by design is still not a bug... It's a feature. :mrgreen:

    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Why would there be any additional work needed? As far as I can tell the only difference between male and female heads in STO are the preset shapes and males having access to facial hair. The bodies are obviously different, but hair doesn't interact with the body in any way.

    As warpangel stated, despite its visual similarity, it is still a separate item in the costume catalog and requires independent work done on it.

    frtoaster wrote: »
    It might not be a bug, but it would be nice to have male versions of the new hairstyles. The male ponytail hairstyles, in particular, are similar to the female versions, so I don't see why they shouldn't get their own updated versions as well. That's probably something they're working on. The bigger problem right now is that that hair shininess is broken on all the older hairstyles. It's as if someone turned off a switch and completely disabled hair shininess.

    It was stated during a recent livestream (maybe 3-4 weeks ago?) that they were working on these new hairstyles. Obviously, we are beginning to see the fruits of this labor. I'm sure that there are more on the way, including some for male characters.
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  • asdfjkadfjkasfasdfjkadfjkasf Member Posts: 345 Media Corps
    So long as I can still have a ponytail and dye it pink, that's all I am worried about!
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,401 Arc User
    asdfjkadfjkasf wrote: »
    So long as I can still have a ponytail and dye it pink, that's all I am worried about!

    Well my character has ponytail that's dark purple, though granted she's alien gen so I dunno if they're limited the hair palette for other races.
  • kobonkobon Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    The recent patch on 6/20 broke the tailor. I made a BALD/NONE hair option female alien with a humanoid head and now after the patch I am forced to choose a hairstyle when updating my look at the tailor. A BALD/NONE hair option exists for MALES but not for FEMALES (Aliens). This does not make any sense. Please bring back the option to make BALD ALIEN FEMALES.
  • tasshenatasshena Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    Pardon my soapbox on this, but it reminds me again of the need to ask devs for an option in the tailor for your captain to switch something on ALL outfits at once if wanted. Going through the tailor 20+ times to switch hairstyles on my captain's outfits one by one sucks.

    Also, nice to see that the new versions of the hairstyles aren't available to Roms who have the original versions. Great planning, there!​​
  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    tasshena wrote: »
    Also, nice to see that the new versions of the hairstyles aren't available to Roms who have the original versions. Great planning, there!​​

    Wait, the new hairstyles aren't available on Romulans? I haven't checked my Romulans yet.

    EDIT: I just checked my Romulan, and she does have the new hairstyles available, so I'm not quite sure what you're seeing.
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  • tasshenatasshena Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    I went to the tailor in NR command center and the new versions of the long hairstyles weren't listed available to mine. Odd.

    Will try checking the ESD one since people actually use that one.

    Yep, same options for Long:
    1. Long
    2. Long Middle Parted Version 2
    3. Long Wavy

    The missing ones listed below are ones they already have the old ones for, they should get the new ones, should they not? It's not that different...​​
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    My romulans do have the version 2's but TBH they are all custom aliens, I don't have any native romulan toons to try with.

    My romulan bridge officers are definitely missing some of them. But then they have always had less hairstyles to begin with.

    Hairstyle race restrictions are just plain stupid.
  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    tasshena wrote: »
    I went to the tailor in NR command center and the new versions of the long hairstyles weren't listed available to mine. Odd.

    Will try checking the ESD one since people actually use that one.

    Yep, same options for Long:
    1. Long
    2. Long Middle Parted Version 2
    3. Long Wavy
    ​​
    warpangel wrote: »
    My romulans do have the version 2's but TBH they are all custom aliens, I don't have any native romulan toons to try with.

    My romulan bridge officers are definitely missing some of them. But then they have always had less hairstyles to begin with.

    Hairstyle race restrictions are just plain stupid.

    OK, I see what you mean now. Romulan females, both captains and bridge officers, are missing the following hairstyles:

    Long - Version 2
    Long Close Bangs - Version 2
    Short 08 - Version 2

    Those are just the new ones. In general, Romulans don't have the same hairstyles as other characters. They're missing some of the old ones, though they seem to have other hairstyles that are specific to them. I agree that the restrictions seem odd, considering that Romulans don't differ that much from other races who do have the new hairstyles (at least with respect to their character models).
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    kobon wrote: »
    They for some mysterious reason removed the BALD/NONE hair option from female aliens with humanoid heads.

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  • tasshenatasshena Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    Anyway, yeah, outside of the one complaint I like the new hairstyles.

    And yes, those three styles are missing to Romulans, ergo multiple ones of mine can't get new hairs. :p Hopefully fixed soon.​​
  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    Still hoping for a version of this hairstyle;
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