test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
More Starship Trait Slots?
redwren89
Member Posts: 257 Arc User
Hi there.
With the growing number of t6 ship releases, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to fit some of the newer starship traits onto my build style. This has impeded my desire to buy the ships as I have nowhere to put those t6 traits.
This is a request/suggestion for more Starship Trait Slots please. I think its high time they were expanded, much in the same way that personal traits were.
With the growing number of t6 ship releases, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to fit some of the newer starship traits onto my build style. This has impeded my desire to buy the ships as I have nowhere to put those t6 traits.
This is a request/suggestion for more Starship Trait Slots please. I think its high time they were expanded, much in the same way that personal traits were.
Post edited by baddmoonrizin on
Tagged:
0
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
as far as the build style problem, sounds like your either going with some else's template, or just really inflexible. the answer is the same in any case. revisit how you make your builds and try to improve the flexablity of how you make em., if only slapping your own hand when you go to slot must haves or things you always slot.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I will admit that only being able to use X number of traits makes no logical sense. You have been trained in a number of different things but for some reason you can't use that training without specifically deciding to use it ahead of time. That's kind of like someone who is say, an auto mechanic, carpenter, plumber and electrician. He leaves home, all set up to go do some plumbing work and on his way to the work site, his car breaks down. So, he stands there staring at his car like a monkey with rubiks cube, unable to get it running again because he can't remember how to fix a car due to thinking he was going to be doing plumbing work today.
Gear limits actually make sense. It doesn't matter that you have enough gear to outfit a small army, and own more tools than the entire snap-on corporation, you can only carry/haul X amount of stuff at once so you have to pick and choose based on what you think you are going to need. Skills (traits) are learned knowledge and realistically will always be with you, anywhere, any time. But this is a game and cold already said it quite well.
Having a limit on how many straits you can slot at one time is a big part of what keeps the players with fat wallets from just buying their way into being so ridiculously overpowered that those without fat wallets won't even want to play. Whales might own every single ship in the game, and have every trait that exists, but they can still only use 4 (or 5) allowing non whales to at least be close to being on the same level.
Even without that aspect, even F2P players who have never spent one single zen on this game can still easily become so overpowered that anything short of Elite content is so easy it's almost a snooze fest. Why would anyone want to make that even worse ?
This is where I've been one of the few saying, "Make the game harder." since it's entirely to easy now. I'm an F2P player, never bought a single C-store ship. Just some lobi ones, like the Maquis Raider, off the exchange. I used the event T6 ships when got them. Until this, which my first was the Xyfius Heavy Escort from Lohlunat, almost 4 years ago, I played up through the Ico war in the promotion Patrol Escort from level 40.
I actually ran into someone yesterday that said, "They did make the game harder."
All I could reply with was...
"They just made npcs of level 55+ do less damage. Yeah... they've made the game harder."
Seriously, after getting full Epic out my main, I have yet to find a reason, on my other character, to bother with upgrading past VR Mk XII, or the UR Mk XIII rep gear. Literally, with that, and a bit off attention to your build, Advanced is a cake walk.
As to the OP's suggestion. This is not a no. This is a Hell NO. You can take any thoughts of more powercreep straight to Gre'thor and leave it there. Of course, with the hope the fek'lhri pick it up and use to steamroll the playerbase.
SWTOR became much less fun for me when they nerfed the difficulty for level 1-50 a few years back, forcing all players to play in "story mode"
SWTOR lost me when they bent the silver customers over on what they could use, which was at the Reven expansion. Same with FF XIV.
WoW lost me for a bit with the easy mode of Cataclysm. Warlords of Draenor and Legion made it even worse and drove the final nail in the coffin there.
Right now with how STO is. I generally log in, do my endeavors, start some admiralty, refine some dil, and log out. I don't even do the alt routine any more. Because, to me personally, the game is so easy that it's boring.
At least with STO you can choose a higher difficulty level, or remove gear and/or traits to give yourself a handicap.
Even I am against this idea. It would just be too much power creep.
Gary Mitchell would be jealous.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Fail conditions that were being exploited by Trolls way too easily.
Anyways... the number of ship trait slots is fine as is. It makes you think about which traits will fit your playstyle the most, and you have to compromise in some cases. Its no different than any other game where you have to make choices regarding your builds.
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
colored text = mod mode
I totally disagree - the more ships they bring out with traits, the harder it is to choose amongst them. The very nature of creating a flexible build is self defeating given this current climate, and the lack of extra starship trait slots.
And yes its my build
I'm surprised they haven't done this either but it would do them a great deal of good business to expand this, even by just a couple slots
Working flexibility into an illogical game structure seems a common theme. But you're missing the point. The limit is there, just increase it in response to the giant soup of starship traits now available, thats all. I dont recall there being less than 5 free to play starship traits.
Its not too much, just a logical progression
#power creep# all the way. how else they going to make money? the point is there's too many t6 ship releases, not enough space to put their traits - think i'll just wait Gary
Four, like me, if you don't use the Fleet one. Which I don't. Been playing since 2012, never bought anything from a fleet other than outfits and the TR when it was a fleet purchase. As I stated above, other than the starter pack ship I picked up, from working the dilex, and some steam cards I won from contests, the only C-Store ships I own are the ones they've given away. I do still use Lobi/Lockbox and Event ships. But this is an intentional decision on my part.
No,
-C-Store Ships
-Fleet Gear
-Fleet Boff
-Fleet Trait Expansions
-Fleet Doff Expansion
I work with the bare minimum you can get, and the game is to easy. So, why would an already super easy game, need this to make it even easier? I mean you can't fail. You don't even have to participate. All you have to do is show up and wait.
Personally, I'd like to see a 14 day event, where we revisited the pre-fleet setup of 2012/13 This way I could sit back, drink a beer, and enjoy my intertube ride on the river of salt that would poor forth from the player base.
And if you don't believe me on what I don't use there. I can snap some screenshots to prove it.
> redwren89 wrote: »
>
> arionisa wrote: »
>
> I vote no. A big part of playing STO, or just about any MMO type game is the diversity of your build. You get many, many options for gear, skills, traits (or whatever each game actually calls them) but you can only equip/select/use X number of them at a time. This game mechanic means you have literally hundreds, if not thousands of combinations available to make your character unique to you instead of nothing more than a clone of every other player in the game just with a different name.
>
> I will admit that only being able to use X number of traits makes no logical sense. You have been trained in a number of different things but for some reason you can't use that training without specifically deciding to use it ahead of time. That's kind of like someone who is say, an auto mechanic, carpenter, plumber and electrician. He leaves home, all set up to go do some plumbing work and on his way to the work site, his car breaks down. So, he stands there staring at his car like a monkey with rubiks cube, unable to get it running again because he can't remember how to fix a car due to thinking he was going to be doing plumbing work today.
>
> Gear limits actually make sense. It doesn't matter that you have enough gear to outfit a small army, and own more tools than the entire snap-on corporation, you can only carry/haul X amount of stuff at once so you have to pick and choose based on what you think you are going to need. Skills (traits) are learned knowledge and realistically will always be with you, anywhere, any time. But this is a game and cold already said it quite well.
>
> Having a limit on how many straits you can slot at one time is a big part of what keeps the players with fat wallets from just buying their way into being so ridiculously overpowered that those without fat wallets won't even want to play. Whales might own every single ship in the game, and have every trait that exists, but they can still only use 4 (or 5) allowing non whales to at least be close to being on the same level.
>
> Even without that aspect, even F2P players who have never spent one single zen on this game can still easily become so overpowered that anything short of Elite content is so easy it's almost a snooze fest. Why would anyone want to make that even worse ?
>
>
>
>
> Working flexibility into an illogical game structure seems a common theme. But you're missing the point. The limit is there, just increase it in response to the giant soup of starship traits now available, thats all. I dont recall there being less than 5 free to play starship traits.
>
>
>
>
> Four, like me, if you don't use the Fleet one. Which I don't. Been playing since 2012, never bought anything from a fleet other than outfits and the TR when it was a fleet purchase. As I stated above, other than the starter pack ship I picked up, from working the dilex, and some steam cards I won from contests, the only C-Store ships I own are the ones they've given away. I do still use Lobi/Lockbox and Event ships. But this is an intentional decision on my part.
>
> No,
> -C-Store Ships
> -Fleet Gear
> -Fleet Boff
> -Fleet Trait Expansions
> -Fleet Doff Expansion
>
> I work with the bare minimum you can get, and the game is to easy. So, why would an already super easy game, need this to make it even easier? I mean you can't fail. You don't even have to participate. All you have to do is show up and wait.
>
> Personally, I'd like to see a 14 day event, where we revisited the pre-fleet setup of 2012/13 This way I could sit back, drink a beer, and enjoy my intertube ride on the river of salt that would poor forth from the player base.
>
> And if you don't believe me on what I don't use there. I can snap some screenshots to prove it.
Hands up, I believe you.
With such variety already making this game much fun to play, and with so much power at your finger tips no matter which ship you fly, you find something to cling to for comfort.
I love the flagships and haven't set foot our of them. On my build, it's easy peasy too. But it could always be made more efficient, with a bit more variery, rather than just stacking up more and more of the same stats. Most starship traits are very unique which makes them great to use as a variety. But tell me what the point is in bringing more starship traits out if your favourite builds are already built and cannot be modified due to the uniqueness of the build. Increasing the number of starship traits slots would add variety more so than plain old power creep to your builds, enhsncing the fun element and increasing the likelihood people will purchase t6 ships for their L5 mastery trait, or grinding for them like you have.
Yeah, I get why they would do it. As a means of pumping more money out of people. It's just that in it's current state, I don't see the need for it. I'm sure they've probably considered it. However, they can't seem to balance the game to present a challenge with what we currently have.
You are vastly underestimating the power of starship traits.
What they can do is precisely what's in contention - there's more to be done!
And no, no balance passes. Players are meant to get more powerful over time. Going back on progress is never good.
Players are meant to get more powerful, in response to stronger enemies. We have the players getting more powerful. But we lack stronger enemies. What's the point of the players getting stronger, if there's nothing worth fighting?