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So I've always wondered about this "alliance" the game states that we're in an alliance with the Starfleet, Klingons, Romulans, and now the Dominion but I don't get access to their ships. Yes we get access to Dominion ships for all factions and access to Starfleet and Klingon ships if a Romulan chooses one side or the other but why can't it go all ways? I get access to Starfleet ships as a Romulan but I don't get access to Romulan on a Starfleet character?
The separation is still all throughout the game with fleets, could xp for holdings needed be doubled and Klingon and Starfleet fleets be merged into one while both fleets having Klingon starbase and Federation starbase? As well add Romulan and Dominion starbases?
There was also a feature back in the past to have diplomatic immunity to go to the Omega Leonis sector block but now the sector space got updated this was never updated. Could this be updated to have the ability to beam down to faction planets? Don't know if this will be updated or not.
It's a weird alliance if you ask me...
The separation is still all throughout the game with fleets, could xp for holdings needed be doubled and Klingon and Starfleet fleets be merged into one while both fleets having Klingon starbase and Federation starbase? As well add Romulan and Dominion starbases?
There was also a feature back in the past to have diplomatic immunity to go to the Omega Leonis sector block but now the sector space got updated this was never updated. Could this be updated to have the ability to beam down to faction planets? Don't know if this will be updated or not.
It's a weird alliance if you ask me...
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I thought that at first and then they go and add the Dominion and Starfleet is allowed to fly Dominion ships but not Romulan? From an alliance standpoint it seems unfair, lets say I'm KDF but Romulans are allowed to fly our ships but we can't get any Romulan ships what's wrong with this picture. I also understand because of the game was originally coded can't do some things but if something can be done for one side it has to be done for the other in some way.
Romulans do not have access to Federation or Klingon ships or technology. Your specific captain does.
When you are going through the story process and leveling up, you're a member of the Romulan Republic and you agree to go assist one faction of the other. You're basically on some type of exchange program for lack of a better term and the side you have opted to assist gives you special provisional access to their technology.
D'Tan is not flying around in a Odyssey. The Romulan Republic does not have Federation Starships.. you specifically do.
Apparently, it's a similar situation with the Dominion, after the Hur'Q threat is handled you agree to remain and lend your assistance to one faction or another as a form of cooperation between that faction and the Dominion. Again, Odo does not go around flying a Klingon Bird of Prey.. access is given to you specifically.
Starfleet and Klingon officers do not go serve in the Republic (at least the player captain doesn't) so there is no real reason why you would have access to a Scimitar.
It makes as much sense as having access to Voth, Vaaduar, Undine, etc ships. You have those because it’s a video game, no other reason.
I think I understand how an alliance works but this one is odd, still even if your captain (for example ROM) can Federation ships technically Romulans have access to Federation tech. If you think about it in the real word you are recognized as a decorated officer and the Russians let you have an submarine ship, you have to go back to the U.S. eventually then when you get there they would reverse engineer the technology therefore the U.S. would have access to some of Russia's technology.
Even on the outside it's not Starfleet tech somewhere inside would have it. So I still don't get STO's idea of an alliance that way, even though your not at war and helping each other out I don't think you would give out your technology so soon either.
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For example the Alliance Tactical Ship Pack would include a Raider, Pilot Escort, and an Escort Carrier, all with design elements from the major members of the alliance.
Do the same sort ship class variations for Alliance Science and Engineering classes as well with a fourth ship pack that is the Alliance Mother of all Ship Packs that contains them all.
It's a fun idea, but I don't know how cost effective it would be.
There are alliance ships in the game but you have to be the specific faction to use them but it's possible. Federation needs more ships that can battle cloak
I am just saying how it's explained in game.. I totally agree that it doesn't make sense.
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In game justification is thin at best, it's one of those things where you either write your own explanation or just ignore it because you know it doesn't make sense.
But internal consistency applies even to "video game things." If you can have ships of factions A to W "because it's a video game," they can't then go on to say you can't have ships of faction X because you're not a member of it. It doesn't suddenly stop being a video game when it comes to the Fed/KDF/Rom ships.
Or to romulans and jem'hadar being allowed (some) allied ships, but Feds and klingons not. Regardless of the in-story excuse they wrote for the silly per-character alliance selection (which they had to create because the engine doesn't support turning off the "red vs blue"), one-sided access like that is not balanced for gameplay.
And let us not forget the lend-lease vessels and gear in which aircraft, tanks, trucks, and ships were given to allies. Oh, and the Virgin Islands for obsolete ships deal.
In the age of sail, when sinking ships was much harder and boarding actions much more common, ships were often fielded by one nation then captured and crewed by another, with some unfortunate ships changing hands several times this way.
Ships have always been traded and passed around in various ways. That it doesn't happen as much now as it did back when is a factor of not having all-out wars of conquest as often as before and of the fact that steel ships sink in very deep water more often than not. Boarding a military ship is nigh impossible when it can still maneuver, and when it can't the crew can sink it faster, usually, than you can save it.
But even in modern times many navies around the world rely upon hulls of their allies. Spain, for many years, operated an American Aircraft carrier. Most of Brazil and Argentina's navies were composed of American ships, and even now modern shipyards supply the navies of many countries which are allied to the shipyard's country.
So, what STO does is pretty much exactly what happens in the real world. Go figure.
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We'll believe it when we see it.
Censor us all you want.. we have a basis for feeling the way we do.
Yes, that basis being you were told that Romulan (and Jem'Hadar) ship development was being put on hiatus and when it would be returning (after AoD), yet irrationally trying to claim that it stopped altogether forever.
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Do you want to see an end to Fed ship production by cryptic for the 'awesome' perk of flying Romulan ships in this 'alliance'? Neither did Rom players..
I see all the time how it's not fair Roms can fly SF vessels but not vice versa.. I'm just like... really?
Not irrational at all. There were other things said (and not said) but since posting my side would apparently be removed for 'trolling,' I guess you win.
I will just say that there are reasons beyond in game reasons why Romulans were given access to Allied ships. There is somewhat of an explanation given in game, and while it may be a little thin it just needs to be accepted for out of game reasons.
I did. A ship is a ship is an Admiralty card. Fedroms now have the biggest ship roster in the game, which is effin awesome.
Still waiting on the rest of them, though. All the ships. Do want.
And romulan ship production isn't ended anyway.
Yes, really.
ALL the ships!