Dear Devs I have new ship idea, I May not be the first to suggest this but I think it would be very cool. Warship Voyager(VOY: "Living Witness") as 5/3 Battlecruiser or maybe a 5/2+1ExW Escort. Using all the Intrepid Visuals plus some unique Warship addons.
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
and no one from Earth has ever even seen it except the Doctor's backup, who is at the present time still in data storage as the episode took place after the 25th century.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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It existed as a simulation from incorrect data. I mean starfleet could make such a vessel using Kyrians false schematics of the intrepid class. It would only be like would be like any other ship in the game right now. It would not have as many weapons as it is saying on the memory alpha. Nor would it have borg assault probes and anything else from the false data. But I can see starfleet using the design. maybe one day they can make such a ship. Maybe a cross faction Kyrian Vessel. Based on Voyagers Design. From a Lockbox or Lobi store. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warship_Voyager
It existed as a simulation from incorrect data. I mean starfleet could make such a vessel using Kyrians false schematics of the intrepid class. It would only be like would be like any other ship in the game right now. It would not have as many weapons as it is saying on the memory alpha. Nor would it have borg assault probes and anything else from the false data. But I can see starfleet using the design. maybe one day they can make such a ship. Maybe a cross faction Kyrian Vessel. Based on Voyagers Design. From a Lockbox or Lobi store. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warship_Voyager
That would be the most realistic way to bring the ship into game if they wanted to. The Kyrians, feeling that the other powers of the Delta Quadrant were leaving them behind, built a ship based on their fabled 'Warship Voyager.' It could be a cross faction ship based on the general shape of the Intrepid Class but obviously heavily modified.
It could be similar to the way the Romulan ships are modified for the Tal'Shiar adapted vessels. It's actually not a bad idea.. it would probably sell well in a lock box/Lobi Store.
It existed as a simulation from incorrect data. I mean starfleet could make such a vessel using Kyrians false schematics of the intrepid class. It would only be like would be like any other ship in the game right now. It would not have as many weapons as it is saying on the memory alpha. Nor would it have borg assault probes and anything else from the false data. But I can see starfleet using the design. maybe one day they can make such a ship. Maybe a cross faction Kyrian Vessel. Based on Voyagers Design. From a Lockbox or Lobi store. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warship_Voyager
That would be the most realistic way to bring the ship into game if they wanted to. The Kyrians, feeling that the other powers of the Delta Quadrant were leaving them behind, built a ship based on their fabled 'Warship Voyager.' It could be a cross faction ship based on the general shape of the Intrepid Class but obviously heavily modified.
It could be similar to the way the Romulan ships are modified for the Tal'Shiar adapted vessels. It's actually not a bad idea.. it would probably sell well in a lock box/Lobi Store.
Well it be a great way for those that want warship voyager a chance of getting one. So yes it could work like the Tal'Shiar vessels in a way. Maybe one day they might consider doing it. They could even make it an event ship. Or anniversary ship at some point too.
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
> @shadowfang240 said: > azrael605 wrote: » > > and no one from Earth has ever even seen it except the Doctor's backup, who is at the present time still in data storage as the episode took place after the 25th century. > > > > > *cough*time travel*cough*
Or just say that it looks like that in the mirror universe too
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
Right you are, but to be fair.. we only assume that the Galaxy X was wiped from existence.
While the conditions surrounding it's creation were erased, there is nothing to say that eventually Starfleet would not have invented it anyway. Especially in STO where we're at war with everyone all the time. The big difference between the Galaxy X and 'Warship Voyager' is that the Warship never actually existed in any form at any time. While it can be fairly easily rationalized that the Galaxy X would be invented anyway, there is no reason at all to think that the Warship Voyager would ever be made.. not by the Federation anyway.
Now if the Kyrians decided they wanted to make their fantasy a reality.. that's another story.
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
It existed as a simulation from incorrect data. I mean starfleet could make such a vessel using Kyrians false schematics of the intrepid class. It would only be like would be like any other ship in the game right now. It would not have as many weapons as it is saying on the memory alpha. Nor would it have borg assault probes and anything else from the false data. But I can see starfleet using the design. maybe one day they can make such a ship. Maybe a cross faction Kyrian Vessel. Based on Voyagers Design. From a Lockbox or Lobi store. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warship_Voyager
Except the legend of 'Warship Voyager' doesn't exist for a few hundred years, as that episode is based in the FAR future, so that data DOES NOT exist, even a few decades later. Quoting from the wiki about Warship Voyager does not mean anyone in the current time is even aware of this, especially in the Federation.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Warship voyager would be a good reason to revamp the old Dyson ships making the photonic cannons a escort experimental weapon, and they could be a skin for this hypothetical t6 ship.
"..and like children playing after sunset, we were surrounded by darkness." -Ruri Hoshino
Except the legend of 'Warship Voyager' doesn't exist for a few hundred years, as that episode is based in the FAR future, so that data DOES NOT exist, even a few decades later. Quoting from the wiki about Warship Voyager does not mean anyone in the current time is even aware of this, especially in the Federation.
That's true, I forgot about that.
The Kyrians fabricated the Myth of Warship Voyager in the distant future.. that legend doesn't even exist yet. The events at the end of Living Witness would even suggest that this future will never even happen, so more then likely it won't ever even be imagined at all.
Implementation of this ship into STO just doesn't seem reasonable.
Except the legend of 'Warship Voyager' doesn't exist for a few hundred years, as that episode is based in the FAR future, so that data DOES NOT exist, even a few decades later. Quoting from the wiki about Warship Voyager does not mean anyone in the current time is even aware of this, especially in the Federation.
That's true, I forgot about that.
The Kyrians fabricated the Myth of Warship Voyager in the distant future.. that legend doesn't even exist yet. The events at the end of Living Witness would even suggest that this future will never even happen, so more then likely it won't ever even be imagined at all.
Implementation of this ship into STO just doesn't seem reasonable.
Well, the episode is set in 3074, and although an investigation of the Kyrian system might show what is happening in the 'current' timeline, no-one actually has reason to go investigate, again because no-one knows. However, it could also be argued that from the episode, you can extrapolate that the Federation never visits this system again within that timeframe, and it's position is way off the current available space in-game.
So, unlike the Galaxy-X where Picard would've had memories of the ship, there is no reason in canon for Warship Voyager to come into existance, without breaking canon.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
There is "no reason in canon" for 90% of our ship rosters to exist. There is no reason for the Alliance to produce a bazillion different ship designs at once, to say nothing of the frivolous 25th century replicas of historical ships going back all the way to the 22nd. There is no reason for them to appropriate off-faction ships from everyone and the kitchen sink, especially exotic aliens like undine that would probably take more work to make flyable than building a normal ship from scratch. No reason for ships made by 3rd world aliens-of-the-week to be able to match the best of the Alliance or conversely hypertech from the far future or races like the iconians to not be ridiculously OP.
We have all these ships because Cryptic wanted to sell them to us. And we will have Warship Voyager if and when Cryptic wants to sell it to us. Whatever excuse they write to explain it's existence to be seen.
It wouldn't even be the first ship Cryptic's Starfleet defictionalized...see also: Dauntless class. And future ships we have by the dozens.
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
Right you are, but to be fair.. we only assume that the Galaxy X was wiped from existence.
While the conditions surrounding it's creation were erased, there is nothing to say that eventually Starfleet would not have invented it anyway. Especially in STO where we're at war with everyone all the time. The big difference between the Galaxy X and 'Warship Voyager' is that the Warship never actually existed in any form at any time. While it can be fairly easily rationalized that the Galaxy X would be invented anyway, there is no reason at all to think that the Warship Voyager would ever be made.. not by the Federation anyway.
Now if the Kyrians decided they wanted to make their fantasy a reality.. that's another story.
Honestly we're part way at making a Galaxy-X in canon trek anyway with upgraded GCS during the Dominion war.
As for "Warship Voyager" isn't the problem with it that it's not only fictional but said fiction doesn't exist in "current time" as far as STO is conserned so there's no "inspiration" so to speak without breaking the temporal prime directive.
Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea since the ship never actually existed in any form. It was nothing but an imaginary ship who's specifications were derived from false information. At least the Galaxy X actually existed, even though it's time line would have technically been re-written to omit it from existence.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
Right you are, but to be fair.. we only assume that the Galaxy X was wiped from existence.
While the conditions surrounding it's creation were erased, there is nothing to say that eventually Starfleet would not have invented it anyway. Especially in STO where we're at war with everyone all the time. The big difference between the Galaxy X and 'Warship Voyager' is that the Warship never actually existed in any form at any time. While it can be fairly easily rationalized that the Galaxy X would be invented anyway, there is no reason at all to think that the Warship Voyager would ever be made.. not by the Federation anyway.
Now if the Kyrians decided they wanted to make their fantasy a reality.. that's another story.
Honestly we're part way at making a Galaxy-X in canon trek anyway with upgraded GCS during the Dominion war.
As for "Warship Voyager" isn't the problem with it that it's not only fictional but said fiction doesn't exist in "current time" as far as STO is conserned so there's no "inspiration" so to speak without breaking the temporal prime directive.
Because that's such a problem for the dozens of future ships we're already using?
The Dauntless Class being defictionalized by Starfleet wasn't invented by Cryptic, they showed up being used by a future Starfleet in Enterprise.
The Dauntless was in Voyager's memory banks, and as stated ingame, was the 'inspiration' behind it ingame, and the shape and the data taken from Voyager about the Slipstream drive and holographic capabilities, which they did replicate, is perfectly canonised and created. 'Warship Voyager' is not even known of by anyone or any planet, not Voyager, not the Doctor, that is currently accessible ingame.....and as with all myths and legends....they get exaggerated!!!!
They would have to find the Planet, which we already know, they haven't and won't until after not just 3074, but way, way later. Don't forget the scene at the end revealing that the events being viewed, where being studied even further in history.
And whilst Voyager is literally my favourite ship and series, I could not see why Cryptic would break canon this way, as usually they are pretty much true to the source.....and CBS probably would say no.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Actually there is a canon precedent for old starships in current use. First, Geordi told Scotty that if the ship he was on had not crashed it would still have been in service. Second, Constitution class starships in the Wolf 359 wreckage. Third, Mirandas and Oberths in the Dominion War.
Yes, but the T6 ships we're using are not old starships, but replicas built from scratch to look like old starships while having 25th century performance, for no reason but to let players fly famous ships.
Aside from the NX, none of them are identified as replicas or new ships.
They have no in-universe history and are as old as the player wants them to be; whether they're old ships retrofitted with modern tech or new ships of an old class built with modern tech out of the gate is entirely up to the player.
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I agree on this.
EDIT: And the haters always have the option of not flying it.
Still, if they can make money of it.. cool, I don't care. Put it in if you want, not like it's going to have a negative effect on me, I just won't buy it. I'm still baffled by how many people request this ship.
*cough*time travel*cough*
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Warship Voyager is not a real ship. You can travel to any point in time that you wish, it won't be there.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warship_Voyager
That would be the most realistic way to bring the ship into game if they wanted to. The Kyrians, feeling that the other powers of the Delta Quadrant were leaving them behind, built a ship based on their fabled 'Warship Voyager.' It could be a cross faction ship based on the general shape of the Intrepid Class but obviously heavily modified.
It could be similar to the way the Romulan ships are modified for the Tal'Shiar adapted vessels. It's actually not a bad idea.. it would probably sell well in a lock box/Lobi Store.
Well it be a great way for those that want warship voyager a chance of getting one. So yes it could work like the Tal'Shiar vessels in a way. Maybe one day they might consider doing it. They could even make it an event ship. Or anniversary ship at some point too.
The nice thing about the Galaxy X is that it's upgrade/redesign of the galaxy using pre-existing tech (as far as we know), so while the version of Galaxy X seen in the TNG finale was wiped from existance. There's nothing preventing Starfleet from making another version of that design.
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Or just say that it looks like that in the mirror universe too
Right you are, but to be fair.. we only assume that the Galaxy X was wiped from existence.
While the conditions surrounding it's creation were erased, there is nothing to say that eventually Starfleet would not have invented it anyway. Especially in STO where we're at war with everyone all the time. The big difference between the Galaxy X and 'Warship Voyager' is that the Warship never actually existed in any form at any time. While it can be fairly easily rationalized that the Galaxy X would be invented anyway, there is no reason at all to think that the Warship Voyager would ever be made.. not by the Federation anyway.
Now if the Kyrians decided they wanted to make their fantasy a reality.. that's another story.
Picard would've probably had a say in this too.
Except the legend of 'Warship Voyager' doesn't exist for a few hundred years, as that episode is based in the FAR future, so that data DOES NOT exist, even a few decades later. Quoting from the wiki about Warship Voyager does not mean anyone in the current time is even aware of this, especially in the Federation.
That's true, I forgot about that.
The Kyrians fabricated the Myth of Warship Voyager in the distant future.. that legend doesn't even exist yet. The events at the end of Living Witness would even suggest that this future will never even happen, so more then likely it won't ever even be imagined at all.
Implementation of this ship into STO just doesn't seem reasonable.
Well, the episode is set in 3074, and although an investigation of the Kyrian system might show what is happening in the 'current' timeline, no-one actually has reason to go investigate, again because no-one knows. However, it could also be argued that from the episode, you can extrapolate that the Federation never visits this system again within that timeframe, and it's position is way off the current available space in-game.
So, unlike the Galaxy-X where Picard would've had memories of the ship, there is no reason in canon for Warship Voyager to come into existance, without breaking canon.
We have all these ships because Cryptic wanted to sell them to us. And we will have Warship Voyager if and when Cryptic wants to sell it to us. Whatever excuse they write to explain it's existence to be seen.
It wouldn't even be the first ship Cryptic's Starfleet defictionalized...see also: Dauntless class. And future ships we have by the dozens.
As for "Warship Voyager" isn't the problem with it that it's not only fictional but said fiction doesn't exist in "current time" as far as STO is conserned so there's no "inspiration" so to speak without breaking the temporal prime directive.
The Dauntless was in Voyager's memory banks, and as stated ingame, was the 'inspiration' behind it ingame, and the shape and the data taken from Voyager about the Slipstream drive and holographic capabilities, which they did replicate, is perfectly canonised and created. 'Warship Voyager' is not even known of by anyone or any planet, not Voyager, not the Doctor, that is currently accessible ingame.....and as with all myths and legends....they get exaggerated!!!!
They would have to find the Planet, which we already know, they haven't and won't until after not just 3074, but way, way later. Don't forget the scene at the end revealing that the events being viewed, where being studied even further in history.
And whilst Voyager is literally my favourite ship and series, I could not see why Cryptic would break canon this way, as usually they are pretty much true to the source.....and CBS probably would say no.
Agreed, that ship has sailed.
We're already using ships from the future, from the past, from alternate timelines.. at this point nothing is really off the table.
I give it another year before we'll be doing ISA in Tie Fighters.
They have no in-universe history and are as old as the player wants them to be; whether they're old ships retrofitted with modern tech or new ships of an old class built with modern tech out of the gate is entirely up to the player.