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Too bad Cardassians could not be a playable faction

rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
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Like the Romulans are... would have been kinda cool.

I would have paid more for it even 100 bucks. If just 200k players felt that way it could have generated 20 mil for the developers. I have to imagine that’s at least 10 mil in profit.

Point I am making is that their lack of effort costs profit.

Not sure I want to play A Cardassian as implemented. Seems to lack believability.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,735 Community Moderator
    Lack of effort? :unamused:
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  • trygvar13trygvar13 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    What would be nice would be race changes. The first character I created back on Day 1 was a Cardassian (alien with all the Cardassian parts). I could never make a good Cardassian neck. I stopped playing that Fed char a long time ago and have spent most of my time on the KDF side since then. I would pay to turn hiom into a real Cardassian. I created a new KDF Cardassian and that is my new main now.
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  • rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    > @trygvar13 said:
    > What would be nice would be race changes. The first character I created back on Day 1 was a Cardassian (alien with all the Cardassian parts). I could never make a good Cardassian neck. I stopped playing that Fed char a long time ago and have spent most of my time on the KDF side since then. I would pay to turn hiom into a real Cardassian. I created a new KDF Cardassian and that is my new main now.



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    Agreed. Good point. I got so attached to my first character that I still play him and he’s a liberated borg and a tad bit boring
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,605 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    > . If just 200k players felt that way

    "If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a marvelous Christmas."

    There more likely only dozens of players that would spend $100, not 200,000.

    Even WoW can barely maintain _2_ factions. STO has a much smaller player base.

    I'm not disagreeing that it would be nice, but I'd like to see 20 more TOS episodes, more KDF stories, new Romulan stories, and the playable Horta that Trendy promised us. Sadly, Cryptic is a business and they need to look at the cost of development not just what will make some players happy.
  • rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Well you know sto is cannon now? Pretty sure changes made to the IP here are gonna stick. Pretty sure it’s subsidized by cbs and paramount. My very humble opinion is that the Cardassians would have been a surpurb faction. Would have been so cool!!!!
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    Are there even 200k players?
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    I would've love a Cardassian faction rather than the Jem one, I never cared for the Jem's.
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  • jrdobbsjr#3264 jrdobbsjr
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    > @spielman1 said:
    > Been nice if the Romulan Republic was that the Romulan Republic instead of the third Federation Character there been a lot of good story to tell if the player had a choice between the Romulan Empire and rebuilding and the Republic as it building up and the fights and border disputes so much to tell there. Even for the Cardassian faction the New way a more Republic based free society and the True Way and the fight and struggles on both sides just to simply be. Lots of stories and ships and designs that could have been used for it.

    I think the devs did a decent job with the Republic......after Hobus the Romulans couldn't go on like they had. And really, D'Tan did more to restore Romulan power and prestige than Sela or her predecessors ever did
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    All the RSE was doing was fighting over who got to be top dog.....they weren't rebuilding at all. A RSE story line centering on rebuilding would require you to seize the Throne yourself unless they wrote a NPC worth following to put on the throne instead.
  • rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Sorry I want what I want :-(
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    Lack of effort? :unamused:

    I have to agree with the OP lack of effort not trying to bash and such but there is a lack of care from the developers from story telling to bug fixes and such. Input from the community and working towards that many players in the game I have played with just don't care anymore due to a lack fo input from staff too appoint bug fixes and effort and care from staff. Something you may if you can bring up too the higher ups if possible and say hey here is a post there not bad but this from the players sorta thing.

    While I agree with a lot of the issues in this thread, the one I honestly get a little tired of seeing is 'they don't fix bugs.'

    It's just simply not true. We get a patch every week that fixes bugs, people just complain if it's not the exact bug they wanted fixed. The patch 2 weeks ago was a huge patch with a ton of fixes, they DO fix bugs.

    Now, I agree with everything said about Cardiassians, they're not really a faction at all and didn't get a whole lot of effort. I can't say I am really surprised though, Klingons have been in game since day 1 and get next to no attention from the Developers, Romulans got their faction ships unlocked and now appear to be all but abandoned and Jem'Hadar kinda feel like a publicity stunt with how quickly they were abandoned.

    It's honestly not a big surprise that Cardassians are such a hollow excuse for a 'faction.'

    I do believe the Developers put time into this game, just not into this particular area. Honestly, everything outside of Federation Faction(s) are woefully under developed.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    I would have loved to play as a legit Cardassian too, OP. It's over though. Best to move on as what's done is done.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    Dot every third rate power in the quadrant needs to be a faction in STO.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Closest to a faction for the cardies would have been a glorified tutorial mission or two followed by join faction A or B ok you're done.

    The klinks leading the various wars or having quest givers doesn't add anything to them as a faction you play.

    They always played 2nd fiddle to the feds starting life as a pvp only faction for levelling, which got nobbled when fed v fed came along and it was a long time before any viable content was given to klinks.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    Having mission givers be Klingon and then have the entire mission.. as with every other mission.. be told entirely through the Federation Perspective is supposed to equal faction development?
    What? not enough RAHR! BLOOD! HONOR! WINE! for you? :p Or is there something else you think is missing for it to be "Klingon" enough?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,462 Arc User
    As i understand VIL will continue later as story revolving around the (or "a") Jem Hadar. Although it would have been interesting to see playable Spoons i am curious how the VIL story will advance.

    Who knows, perhaps the current Discovery Klingon villain was genetically altered by the now deceased founder. There was a mention of Klingons in the VIL story line.
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  • rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    sirsitsalot wrote: »
    rthen wrote: »
    Sorry I want what I want :-(

    You do realize that even if they would have given Cardassians their own "Faction", it would be just like the Romulan one, where you ultimately end up picking UFP or KDF anyway. Would it have been nice to have a Cardassian origin story? Sure. But it all gets tendered pretty much moot when you get shoehorned into UFP or KDF with the knowledge that at that point, there will be no more Cardassian-specific missions.

    But then maybe what really bothers you is the need to actually BUY the cardassian from the C-store. You say you would be willing to spend $100 to ultimately end up having to choose UFP or KDF anyway? Sorry, but I have to call BS on that, when the current implementation lets you get your cardassian for a few bucks and you get to skip the origin story hoops that will ultimately mean nothing...

    Try again...

    As a life time sub that has purchased zen routinely I can assure you I would have paid $100 for the cardassian faction. As implemented its not worth the $77 bucks... let alone the $100 I would have paid.

    So you try again lol.

  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    The OP needs to move on like I did. I realized a while ago that Cryptic didn't have the vision or dedication required to do Cardassians in a way that would be epic and in way that would do them justice. I appreciate what they did with Garak in ViL. While Garak ultimately represents only a small sampling of what awesomeness Cardassians can bring to the table it was nice to at least get that small sampling.
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  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @salazarraze said:
    > The OP needs to move on like I did. I realized a while ago that Cryptic didn't have the vision or dedication required to do Cardassians in a way that would be epic and in way that would do them justice. I appreciate what they did with Garak in ViL. While Garak ultimately represents only a small sampling of what awesomeness Cardassians can bring to the table it was nice to at least get that small sampling.

    Actualy Garak represents 99.99 percent of whats cool about Cardassians, with minor contributions from Ziyal, and a few others, NOT Dukat.

    I actually kind of liked Dukat's character - He was so totally caught up in the "mindset" of Cardassian supremacy, that he couldn't see what waswrong with either himself or his "culture". I think the episode where he kills his daughter was the first time he took a real look at himself. It was a very powerful episode IMHO and a surprisingly deep character if you look closely, and well played by the actor.
    They could also have expanded on the story surrounding Quark's Cardassian love interest (can't remember her name?) And the Cardassian resistance/revolutionary movement.

    Although I do like Garak's character, I was never really happy with the ambiguity surrounding him, I think they went a little too heavy on the " oooohhh mysterious" stuff, it would have been nice to get some closure there (kinda like Shepard Book from Firefly)

    Probably too late now though, unless they do yet another overhaul of the Bajor/Cardassian arc missions, which I seriously doubt will ever happen.
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  • shrimphead2015shrimphead2015 Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    I actually like the Cardassian faction right now with really no complaint. If there was something I would suggest though is to create a socail zone of sorts in Cardassia much along the same vein as New Romulas. At least the faction would have some sort of "home". More like a wish than a suggestion to be sure but it can't hurt to get it out there.
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  • arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    kurzis wrote: »
    Are there even 200k players?

    200K players is a fraction of the total player base, it has to be. 200K players, with only a percentage of them spending any real money, and only a small percentage of that group actually spending lots of money wouldn't come close to paying for a single voice over much less actually keeping the lights on and the servers running.
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  • arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    rthen wrote: »
    Sorry I want what I want :-(

    Nothing wrong with that at all, that statement fits us all...of course wanting and actually getting are most definitely not the same thing.
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  • arionisaarionisa Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    spielman1 wrote: »
    salazarraze wrote: »
    I would have loved to play as a legit Cardassian too, OP. It's over though. Best to move on as what's done is done.

    True doesn't mean we cant talk about what could have been and what may have been good never know a developer could read this and go yeah we did mess up lets put more effort and fix this and see what happens. You never know it could happen.

    And William Shatner could tell Cryptic that he wants to do some VO work for free
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited November 2018
    You know, given the fact that we have 1. Cardassian player characters and 2. a TRIBBLE ton of Cardassian stuff in the Foundry (was one of the major asset types included)...folks could just make their own Cardassian storyline once the Foundry comes back online. We literally have the means to pull this one off ourselves, minus VO and cutscenes and Garak but everything else included (which is the nice thing about having that kind of UGC, we don't have to worry about considerations of dev priorities and shifting story arcs once we have the toolset in our hands. Want to expand on something? Go for it!)

    Plus there's a few VIL challenge missions that have already set the stage for Cardassian player content. If folks want a series you might approach some of those authors about it.
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  • eristhevortaeristhevorta Member Posts: 1,049 Bug Hunter
    At least we have playable Cardashians now in the game for Klinguns and Federation. That's more than I actually thought would be happening.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
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  • rthenrthen Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    You know what.. I am fine with Cardassians not having a playable faction after all. I read the replies on this thread. There's a lot to do in the game. Personally just more content is good enough. Once I am done with max leveling my 3rd character I will likely go back and level up my Klingon faction one.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    sirsitsalot wrote: »
    One of the biggest detractors of the Foundry for a significant number of people who do not play or use it is the notion that it gives Cryptic the license to be lazy. And they are both right and wrong. But I will focus on why they are right. With foundry authors, who are fellow players, developing faction-specific storylines, Cryptic doesn't see a need to do so. And a lot of people feel that foundry authors are in effect doing Cryptic's job for them. To them, it CANNOT be viewed as real content unless Cryptic themselves develop it. That attitude won't change no matter how user friendly the Foundry becomes, or how awesome a Foundry author is at content creation.
    The reality is that no matter how many mission Cryptic makes, there are enough Foundry authors to make as many missions as Cryptic has made over the course of the game's history, pretty much monthly. It's not really laziness, it's that it's physically impossible for 12 people to make as much stuff as 100.
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