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Why do the RA's not reward daily rewards???

lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,415 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Why on earth did they remove the daily reward from RA's??? Or at least tell us they are going to? Whose bright idea was this???
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,695 Arc User
    Yikes, if that's not a bug then it IS a major nerf to be forced to do 2 red alerts a day to get the marks you used to get from the first red alert of the day.
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    Spite.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,901 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Yikes, if that's not a bug then it IS a major nerf to be forced to do 2 red alerts a day to get the marks you used to get from the first red alert of the day.

    Well they are trying to get people out of doing just one queue...does suck if you're trying to do some marks that don't involve the newest rep.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,695 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Yikes, if that's not a bug then it IS a major nerf to be forced to do 2 red alerts a day to get the marks you used to get from the first red alert of the day.

    Well they are trying to get people out of doing just one queue...does suck if you're trying to do some marks that don't involve the newest rep.

    Getting people to play different queues and alerts is fine with me, even if it makes them more of a gamble compared to cruising through a Borg red alert.

    Forcing us to do twice as many alerts for the same marks is buffing the grind and is NOT player-friendly.

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  • feordilagorgefeordilagorge Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Read the patch notes for this morning and the blog from a few days ago about the changes to Red Alerts, anyone who didn't know this was coming didnt pat attention.
    It never said the bonus marks would be removed. Not in the post I read.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,696 Community Moderator
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    And people are complaining!

    Unfortunately... this video perfectly fits that attitude.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHpdgHTINik

    I do find it odd that people are reporting that the daily bonus is not working with the Red Alerts...
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    If I cared about marks.....I would be in the game doing these R.A. Events.
    I am reading on my FB Feed....just by repeating this RA's with no cool downs, players are getting close to 1000 marks in an hour or so of play time.
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    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Plus no cooldowns, so you'll also spebd less time doing that.
    RAs had what? The standard 30 minute cooldown?
    -Doing 10 RAs in the old system would take 5 hours, for 155 marks.
    -Doing 10 RAs in the new system would take about 1 hour, and give out 350 marks

    The old system had a mark payout of 31 marks/hour, the new one has 350 marks/hour. Its a 10+ fold increase!

    And people are complaining!

    I think they are just mad for the sake of it and not even looking at the big picture with this change. And it's my understanding that every weekend at least one RA will be available. And all of them are easy, you'd have to have a very weak or bad team to fail any of them.

    I think people are seriously being short sighted and not doing the math or running the numbers.

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,695 Arc User
    Not everyone wants to grind 10 RAs a day.

    If you were happy with 65 marks/day for a rep, you could do _1_ red alert and be done for the day. Moving on to playing story missions or whatever.

    Now you need to do _2_ red alerts.

    If you're not a grinder then the "removing the daily marks" part is a bad change, forcing non-grinders to double their red alerts for the same marks.

    You're right though, for farmers it's a benefit to their crop yields.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited October 2018
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Yikes, if that's not a bug then it IS a major nerf to be forced to do 2 red alerts a day to get the marks you used to get from the first red alert of the day.
    How is it a nerf when you make significantly more over time? It is literally an INCREASE.

    Lets do the math here
    Old system
    -First RA would give 65 marks
    -Each one after that is 10 marks
    After doing 10 of them you will have 155 marks

    New system
    -All RAs give out 35 marks, period
    After doing 10 of them you will have 350 marks.

    Old system
    - First RA would give 65 marks for Rep 1
    - Second RA would give 65 marks for Rep 2
    - Etc
    After doing 10 of them, you'd have 65 marks for 10 reps, 650 total. (assuming you actually did it 10 times)

    Why would anyone grind RA's for 10 marks a go? That's just silly.


    (meanwhile, the though of running the same RA - or heck, ANY kind of content - 10 times in a day, makes me want to run away)
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  • feordilagorgefeordilagorge Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    If I cared about marks.....I would be in the game doing these R.A. Events.
    I am reading on my FB Feed....just by repeating this RA's with no cool downs, players are getting close to 1000 marks in an hour or so of play time.
    where2r1 wrote: »
    If I cared about marks.....I would be in the game doing these R.A. Events.
    I am reading on my FB Feed....just by repeating this RA's with no cool downs, players are getting close to 1000 marks in an hour or so of play time.

    This is simply not possible. It would require 29 runs and thus an average of 2 minutes per RA, including waiting times. I know I'm not the highest DPS'r in the game but I don't believe anyone is doing these in 2 minutes 29 times a day.

    What this will do is simply encourage players to participate in less variety, not more. Before, I would do one RA, then, due to cooldowns and bonus marks, do a different one to get different marks. Now I'll just do the same one over and over, as any intelligent player would, because some are easier and take less time and you get to know it better.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Because 'events' don't give bonuses?
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    These folks ran the old Red Alerts for the same Reputation after receiving the Daily Bonus Marks.

    https://youtu.be/gJB2Q9gh2uE
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    The amount they give out now is higher than the old base, but less than the base+daily bonus. Actually it's less than the daily bonus. Why? because that's how the effort vs reward curve works.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    feordilagorge wrote: »
    where2r1 wrote: »
    If I cared about marks.....I would be in the game doing these R.A. Events.
    I am reading on my FB Feed....just by repeating this RA's with no cool downs, players are getting close to 1000 marks in an hour or so of play time.
    where2r1 wrote: »
    If I cared about marks.....I would be in the game doing these R.A. Events.
    I am reading on my FB Feed....just by repeating this RA's with no cool downs, players are getting close to 1000 marks in an hour or so of play time.

    This is simply not possible. It would require 29 runs and thus an average of 2 minutes per RA, including waiting times. I know I'm not the highest DPS'r in the game but I don't believe anyone is doing these in 2 minutes 29 times a day.
    2-minuting a red alert is trivial for a high-DPS team.
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  • benselassem#4731 benselassem
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    azrael605 wrote: »
    > @somtaawkhar said:
    > davefenestrator wrote: »
    >
    > Yikes, if that's not a bug then it IS a major nerf to be forced to do 2 red alerts a day to get the marks you used to get from the first red alert of the day.
    >
    >
    >
    > How is it a nerf when you make significantly more over time? It is literally an INCREASE.
    >
    > Lets do the math here
    > Old system
    > -First RA would give 65 marks
    > -Each one after that is 10 marks
    > After doing 10 of them you will have 155 marks
    >
    > New system
    > -All RAs give out 35 marks, period
    > After doing 10 of them you will have 350 marks.

    Plus no cooldowns, so you'll also spebd less time doing that.

    so it really is: let the queues be damned, play red alerts!
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