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TRIBBLE MAINTENANCE AND RELEASE NOTES - 9/19/18

Tribble has been updated to ST.90.20180917a.2

New Feature:

Reputation Extension:
  • All reputations will be extended to Tier 6 and will include numerous rewards:
    • Reaching Tier 6 in a reputation will increase the trait effectiveness of all traits in the reputation.
    • Reaching Tier 6 in a reputation will also increase the damage inflicted by Reputation Set Weapons.
    • Brag to your friends about your progress by activating a new Ability that displays dramatic visual FX for each Tier VI Reputation you have achieved.
    • And much more!
  • For more details on rewards, please visit the Reputation Extension blog at: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10993603-ascend-to-a-new-level-of-reputation!


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  • kyle223catkyle223cat Member Posts: 584 Arc User
    This is just a small note. I think some of the traits could use a larger buff when you get a reputation to T6. For example, the Dyson trait "Advanced Hull Reinforcement" goes from +10 Bonus All Damage Resistance to +12.5 Bonus All Damage Resistance. I realize this is Bonus All Damage Resistance vs the standard All Damage Resistance, but a +2.5 increase is really tiny. Same goes for the Borg Regeneration traits (hull and shield), the increase wasn't that significant it seems, and these traits have been on the weak side for a while, especially compared with the Lukari Automated Protomatter Conduits regeneration trait.
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  • scottyl7scottyl7 Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    I noticed that I can no longer create or claim a Reputation token (bug)

    The toon I am running on tribble completed all of the reps to tier 5 but never claimed a reputation token. This copy was the main toon that completed all of the reputations 1st then created the tokens on the live system for the other toons on the account so I know it wasn't because they were already claimed. I also checked and the Daily rep missions were still only rewarding 2500 Reputation not 5000.
  • entnx01entnx01 Member Posts: 549 Arc User
    Since there doesn't seem to be an official feedback thread (please point me to it if it's already made):

    1) A 30-day run is counter to what was said on stream. I think CulturedSoup said it'd be closer to doing Tier 4 into Tier 5, which would only be 8 days sponsored. I'm saying this more so it can get back to the newer on-camera devs that they need to have their numbers right or close to right, or just not say anything (like, "I'm not sure, but it's shorter than doing the rep Tier 1 through Tier 5 unsponsored, that much I can say.")

    2) Prices seem fine for the Fleet Ship Module, Skill Respec, and Vanity Shield. Not needing Elite Marks, EC, and/or Dil helps a ton. I can grind out Marks for these.

    3) The price of the gear discount seems high. I'm paying for 1 piece of gear to get a 50% discount on other gear across the account just for that rep. It'll take me 2 pieces of gear per rep to "break even." The third is where I'll start seeing savings. If the rep I'm discounting isn't used much, this seems a waste. I like the 50% discount; I don't like that I'm paying full price on a piece of gear to get that discount. Maybe as I use it more, it'll turn out better in practice, but for now it feels bad to pay full price and only start really saving on the 3rd piece of gear from that rep.

    4) Without the tabs I'm used to having for navigation within the Rep, I was confused on how to find my progress within a Tier, what all unlocked at that Tier, etc. I eventually figured it out, but it'll need a new tutorial to highlight where everything is now. (Though my preference would be to bring back the tabs.)

    5) I like having bonuses for Rep traits, both active and among the Space/Ground traits. I'm seeing a 25% boost generally, but as kyle mentioned above, 25% on a small addition is close to having no meaningful addition (this is exactly the reason why turn rate abilities that don't combine with anything else aren't desired on Cruisers or full Carriers as the added amount is low compared to, say, an Escort with the same percentage increase). For example, maybe ground traits that boost a skill can boost it by +10 flat rather than +2.5 just because it's 25% of +10.

    6) More of a question than feedback...if I discard a Vanity Shield, can I reclaim it somehow? If not, that's another improvement I'd like to see.

    7) Because I didn't see it obviously in the, "What do I get at Tier VI" information pop-up, how do I activate the Tier VI rep emote? This could be another piece of information to add to an info screen or tutorial.
  • entnx01entnx01 Member Posts: 549 Arc User
    scottyl7 wrote: »
    I noticed that I can no longer create or claim a Reputation token (bug)

    The toon I am running on tribble completed all of the reps to tier 5 but never claimed a reputation token. This copy was the main toon that completed all of the reputations 1st then created the tokens on the live system for the other toons on the account so I know it wasn't because they were already claimed. I also checked and the Daily rep missions were still only rewarding 2500 Reputation not 5000.

    This confused me, too, for a bit. A couple things at play:

    1) Once a toon is Tier 5 in a Reputation, all characters should auto-sponsor. Any toon not already sponsored gets their project XP doubled.

    2) Here's how I got auto-sponsoring to trigger: If you're logged into the character you want to progress a rep on but see it's still showing 2,500 XP for a daily, log it out, log into another character that's Tier 5 in that Reputation, then log out of it and back into your first character. It should now show 5,000 XP instead of 2,500.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    I did a fresh transfer of my Jem'hadar Vanguard toon, and everything except Gamma Rep registered as Sponsored, including the Reps that were filled out to T5 at character start.

    Anyone else getting were it zooms in on your character's feet when you change characters?

    I only had the wherewithal to go through one rep to T6, Competitive Rep, and the alt-shield visuals were going transparent in the ship status screen unless zoomed in close. The visuals were working somewhat OK on the ship itself, but the raised bits on my JHDC were not showing or only partially showing through depending on viewing angle.

    Request: Standard shield visuals as visual shield item for the same price of 300 Marks, once Tier 6 is done at least. There are times I want just the visuals, but don't want to grind out the Elite Marks, much higher amount of Marks, etc. to get them.

    I wish the Reputation Info screen was easier to read, as well as having more details like stats and variants (Competitive only showed one Deflector, Engine, etc.)

  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Also, Tier 6 Reputation requires 250,000 XP in total.
    entnx01 wrote: »
    7) Because I didn't see it obviously in the, "What do I get at Tier VI" information pop-up, how do I activate the Tier VI rep emote? This could be another piece of information to add to an info screen or tutorial.

    Reputation Flourish is in the Powers window (press p) and has a 1 minute timer. It might not be implemented in the game yet since I didn't notice anything when I tried it after maxing Task Force Omega to Tier 6.
  • jordan3550jordan3550 Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    Are the new energy types in the reps and vanity shields?
  • mneme0mneme0 Member Posts: 498 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    entnx01 wrote: »
    1) A 30-day run is counter to what was said on stream. I think CulturedSoup said it'd be closer to doing Tier 4 into Tier 5, which would only be 8 days sponsored. I'm saying this more so it can get back to the newer on-camera devs that they need to have their numbers right or close to right, or just not say anything (like, "I'm not sure, but it's shorter than doing the rep Tier 1 through Tier 5 unsponsored, that much I can say.")

    This. 150k would be sensible. 200k would be understandable. But 50% more to get from T5 to T6 than from T1 to T5? And I'm assuming this is not account unlock? That is punishment we don't deserve.

    Also, can we get an auto-complete special item on Drozana? Hard to test the reps when we have to grind 30 or 60 (since the sponsorships aren't working) projects per rep to even see what's going on.

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  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    As a side note, since [Console - Tactical - Counter-Command Multi-Conduit Energy Relay] as it is part of the set but not a reputation reward (Counter Command Ordnance), would it be possible for you to add the alternate energy type to the base damage increases on that console like you did with reputation ones? Aka phaser & disruptor to phaser, disruptor, plasma and tetryon.
  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    jordan3550 wrote: »
    Are the new energy types in the reps and vanity shields?

    yes
  • jordan3550jordan3550 Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    > @sovereign2727 said:
    > jordan3550 wrote: »
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    > Are the new energy types in the reps and vanity shields?
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    > yes

    Thanks gonna have a play once av done the breach a million times lol
  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    I also opened lockbox as I figured you already added discovery lock box to Infinity, however I also noticed that the mini-techs aren't included at all. I don't know if you intend to add them later on but it would be nice if they weren't just forgotten and maybe mix them with the kit boxes or something that people usually regard as worthless.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    entnx01 wrote: »
    3) The price of the gear discount seems high. I'm paying for 1 piece of gear to get a 50% discount on other gear across the account just for that rep. It'll take me 2 pieces of gear per rep to "break even." The third is where I'll start seeing savings. If the rep I'm discounting isn't used much, this seems a waste. I like the 50% discount; I don't like that I'm paying full price on a piece of gear to get that discount. Maybe as I use it more, it'll turn out better in practice, but for now it feels bad to pay full price and only start really saving on the 3rd piece of gear from that rep.

    It depends on which currency you're measuring. For non-Omega reps, the Space equipment set pieces cost 40,000 EC, 32,500 Dilithium, 5 Elite Marks (if any) and 750 marks. The discount project costs 100,000 EC, 20,000 Dilithium, 5 Elite Marks (if any) and 150 marks. You never make up those Elite Marks, it takes 5 space gear pieces to make up the EC, you are ahead on dilithium after your second piece and you are ahead on regular marks with your first piece.
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    A couple of issues with this patch:

    Only Gamma rep gets sponsored, and you can neither create nor use sponsorship tokens.

    Inventory sorting is broken; the things that used to be at the top are now at the bottom and not in any sort of order (they randomise when you click sort).

    I can no longer deposit or withdraw items from the account bank.

    Getting the skills invalid message too.
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  • jabofneurospinejabofneurospine Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    The content has potential although the grind is a tad insufferable.

    The vanity shields look great and each reputation does get an additional energy type for it's energy weapons. Unfortunately, it appears each reputation gets a single shield variant and a single additional energy type. As such, there are no variants of the assimilated, maco, honor guard, or romulan shields (the new romulus rep vanity shield is actually the reman one). There are also no variants of any non-energy weapons as far as I can tell (so no new weapons in omega rep for example). This is probably what was expected by most people, but is worth noting nonetheless.

    The reputation flourish does appear to be completely nonfunctional, although i couldn't say if it's because it hasn't been added yet or if it's bugged.

    Unfortunately, it's pretty bugged. Raising a reputation to t6 replaces the traits and if you have any of them slotted it results in a state where the trait cannot be removed and your skills are rendered permanently invalid. Respecing does not remove reputation traits and traits you don't have cannot be unslotted.

    Edit: Seems the permanent skills invalid issue is separate from the traits problem as replacing the old traits with new ones didn't fix the skills invalid problem. Additionally, you can replace the old traits by dragging new traits over them instead of checking the active box on the traits.
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  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    lopequil wrote: »
    A couple of issues with this patch:

    Only Gamma rep gets sponsored, and you can neither create nor use sponsorship tokens.

    Inventory sorting is broken; the things that used to be at the top are now at the bottom and not in any sort of order (they randomise when you click sort).

    I can no longer deposit or withdraw items from the account bank.

    Getting the skills invalid message too.

    The sponsorship thing they are aware of, its kind of an incomplete feature as they intend to get rid of the sponsorship system completely and my guess is the auto sponsorship system is not ready just yet.

    Inventory sorting is not broken, it just seems a bit different, maybe they are working on that right now to change how it works a bit.

    The account bank bug is tribble exclusive and has been on it for a while, idk what causes it but would be great to see it fixed so I can trade lobi on tribble between my toons again.

    The skills invalid message I had until the patch, must be a bug as well.

  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    Next issue I noticed, if you were to discard a vanity shield it will be gone and you can't get a new one at all.
    It does not become reclaimable nor even end up in the option to Retrieve it. Of course this is a bit of a thing that nobody would ever really do but I just deleted an ugly shield to see how that goes and of course its gone, project can't be redone and it's not in reclaim or anywhere. Perhaps something to look at it to make the project repeatable when the item is gone or reclaim.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Exactly what I speculated when they announced Tier 6 for Reputations. They have a set of numbers stuck in their minds about other things and just have to use it everywhere. I said that the T5 to T6 was going to be just like the T4 to T5 Starbase Sub-Holding numbers 100,000 to 250,000.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    Uh...are the bars supposed to be gone????? That is kinda what I liked about the reputation...
    I could SEE MY PROGRESS. I like the visuals I had before.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Put back my bars!!!! :::::::whine::::::

    I really, really, really, do not care to see lists of gets unlocked...I will figure it out eventually.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Uh... anyone know HOW do I get out of the "Select Active Project" reputation menu after I clicked on it? Nevermind...just click on another tab in the status and back to Reputations.
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  • crioijoulscrioijouls Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    I would love to be able to test this out. When I try to log into Tribble, I get something like 'Unable to connect: server crashed unexpectedly'. That is incredibly annoying.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    Uh...are the bars supposed to be gone????? That is kinda what I liked about the reputation...
    I could SEE MY PROGRESS. I like the visuals I had before.

    If you open up Reputations, then close it, then re-open it with the U key, it will have a progress bar, or something like that, I forget the precise alchemical process that I used. This is obviously not working properly, either, and will hopefully be permanent in a later build.
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    Still no fix for "ASSjobs always fail"?

    It's fixed. I don't know when they fixed it, since I hadn't bothered looking at it since the initial build, but it is working as of this patch.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • badgerpants999badgerpants999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    Top left hand corner of the reputations window is the portrait or icon thingie for the reputation you're looking at, if you click on that you'll get the experience bars you're looking for. I'd like the numerical value to return as well.

    And yes, 250,000 XP for Tier 6 is a bit much, We're just one toon working on this individually, not a fleet of characters looking to advance. It'll take 30 daily projects to complete that, 900 Reputation Marks, to get what seems to be a minuscule increase in power to the Traits. Either reduce the cost of tier 6 or increase the power of the traits to match the cost of Tier 6. Please.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    [quote="entnx01;c-13423152"] (like, "I'm not sure, but it's shorter than doing the rep Tier 1 through Tier 5 unsponsored, that much I can say.")[/quote]

    if that's what the dev said, he's absolutely correct, as unsponsored 1-5 rep takes 40 days and 5-6 only takes about 30 or so from what people have mathed out​​
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Inventory sorting is not broken, it just seems a bit different, maybe they are working on that right now to change how it works a bit.

    No it's broken. Try clicking sort a few times and you'll see that items at the bottom never show in the same order twice, and stacks of the same item do not appear next to each other.
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  • sovereign2727sovereign2727 Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    lopequil wrote: »
    Inventory sorting is not broken, it just seems a bit different, maybe they are working on that right now to change how it works a bit.

    No it's broken. Try clicking sort a few times and you'll see that items at the bottom never show in the same order twice, and stacks of the same item do not appear next to each other.

    I checked what you mean, yeah there seems to be something off with certain items such as batteries etc, whenever I spam sort it will swap between 2 possible sortings for certain items, however weapons, gear, vanity shields etc were unaffected.
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    Having looked at the Tribble release I cannot say that the system impresses me much right now.

    1. The title screen showing the Discovery ship lasts only for a split second so needs tweaking if we are to see it propery.

    2. When loading a character I get to watch the feet of my character beam out as it zooms in too far.

    3. Every 5 seconds I recieve a popup to tell me that I have BOFF's waiting to be claimed as I never collect them. Surely once I dismiss it it should not keep coming back!

    4. When running the projects to get to Tier 6 the reward boxes (for omega rep) were only awarding ground weapons which by this point we are absolutely not needing at all on any toon. Why do we not get a chance at space weapons which are far more usable, other than the obvious fact a space weapon vends for more when chucked?

    5. After achieving tier 6 we find out that all those 'you can claim' statements actually mean 'you can run a sometimes expensive project to be be able to claim'.

    6. A 2% increase to set weapon damage for the work is probably not something people will really be pushing for and will probably get ignored by the majority of the playerbase.

    Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    When are you going to make the Omega Space sets the same price as all other Reputations?

    Did they remove the Doff costs for some of the Nakura consumables?
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