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jvonwolfies2jvonwolfies2 Member Posts: 30 Arc User
Just like 101% of STO players, I just absolutely love working through all the reputations but, I also enjoy doing other things like exploring the galaxy, participating in missions in the far off reaches, etc. So maybe instead of having to warp all the way back to DS9 to skip through some log recordings all the time, maybe you could just compress and encrypt that log and send it via subspace to my communications officer?

What'd'ya say Kurland? Could you make that happen? Pretty please, with cherries on top?
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    Meh, it's easy to wait until you reach tier 5 and then listen to all 15 messages at once. You don't need to listen to the tier 1 messages to move on to tier 2, etc.
  • jvonwolfies2jvonwolfies2 Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    Meh, it's easy to wait until you reach tier 5 and then listen to all 15 messages at once. You don't need to listen to the tier 1 messages to move on to tier 2, etc.

    you're not wrong, but it clutters the mission tracker and it seems like adding a "hail so and so" option would be a simple addition that I for one would appreciate.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,687 Community Moderator
    You can hide them until later using the journal.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.

    It's never made any sense and it's always been completely stupid. I do as others said, I hide the missions until I am max level then I listen to them all at once. It's not a big deal, but it is pointless and silly.
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  • jvonwolfies2jvonwolfies2 Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You can hide them until later using the journal.

    When you're right, you're right. Ok, now I'll be honest. What I really want is something like;

    Kurland here; We've received a message for you.
    PC; Acknowledged.

    Kurland here; We've encoded the message.
    PC; Thank you.

    Kurland here; OPS is sending the message now.
    PC; COMM, forward it to my ready room.

    Kurland here; Did you get the message?
    PC; Yes.

    Kurland here; What did it say?
    PC; *static*

    Kurland here; Hello? is anyone there? Kurland here, come in. Anyone? This is Kurland *sobbing softly* Kurland here.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Yeah, I honestly don't see why those missions can't be skipped or dropped. all you get from them is a little tiny story bit.... nothing I actually have reason to go there for.
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  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    It was okay when the message had something to do with DS9 (like the Mirror stuff), but now ALL rep messages go there.... ugh.

    Couldn't they have placed them at locations that made sense?

    But yeah, I agree with the OP. Just having them sent to you would be best. (Then you could review them at the locations that they are associated with - like DS9).
  • jvonwolfies2jvonwolfies2 Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    Couldn't they have placed them at locations that made sense?

    I might be wrong but, I get the impression that initially, it was a way to introduce the player to a new place. But, at this point, by the time you're working through the reps, you've already been to ds9 (probably), and new Romulus, or the sphere command center for that matter. So now that I've had a few Romulan ale's, what I really, really, want is a "go read the message that's waiting for you on board your ship" kind of thing.

    That I think, would be ideal. It's an excuse to use your bridge more in the game and it solves the warping from one side of the galaxy to the other problem. Seriously, who would hate it if they did this?
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Couldn't they have placed them at locations that made sense?
    No, because it makes absolutely sense to call someone to come listen to a message on a computer, in any location. Just play the message in the call directly.

    Or if the devs like it so much, keep the notes saying a message can be listened to at <couldn't care less where>. But remove the undroppable "missions" for them so people don't have to jump through hoops to clear the spam off their mission lists.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    It was okay when the message had something to do with DS9 (like the Mirror stuff), but now ALL rep messages go there.... ugh.


    I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there. Same with the new DS9: there's no reason to have to visit DS9 (or a computer terminal any farther than that in your ready room, for thar matter), to receive a communiqué. But it does serve the purpose of "Look, we made a lovely new DS9, and. consequently, you WILL be there!"
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    They took the idea from the dyson rep where it was an actual cutscene (amazingly skippable) and then had a final task. Romulan also had something similar involving actual player activity.

    Sadly they stripped it all back to the bare minimum and went with an audio log.

    On a plus note those DS9 logs don't lock out you getting the dil reward for capping the rep so there's no reason to visit ds9 and the overly cramped conditions, hesitant doors and people RP'ing from other end of the station. The new ds9 might be show accurate (debatable) but that doesn't mean its conducive to gameplay.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    On a plus note those DS9 logs don't lock out you getting the dil reward for capping the rep so there's no reason to visit ds9 and the overly cramped conditions, hesitant doors and people RP'ing from other end of the station. The new ds9 might be show accurate (debatable) but that doesn't mean its conducive to gameplay.
    I thought having a reward for going there would've made it at least appear a bit less like frivolous spam.
  • kiriseekirisee Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    On a plus note those DS9 logs don't lock out you getting the dil reward for capping the rep so there's no reason to visit ds9 and the overly cramped conditions, hesitant doors and people RP'ing from other end of the station. The new ds9 might be show accurate (debatable) but that doesn't mean its conducive to gameplay.
    I thought having a reward for going there would've made it at least appear a bit less like frivolous spam.

    There is a reward. You get about 500 skill and 500xp. Check the loot window next time.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    kirisee wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    On a plus note those DS9 logs don't lock out you getting the dil reward for capping the rep so there's no reason to visit ds9 and the overly cramped conditions, hesitant doors and people RP'ing from other end of the station. The new ds9 might be show accurate (debatable) but that doesn't mean its conducive to gameplay.
    I thought having a reward for going there would've made it at least appear a bit less like frivolous spam.

    There is a reward. You get about 500 skill and 500xp. Check the loot window next time.
    That's not a reward.
  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    That I think, would be ideal. It's an excuse to use your bridge more in the game and it solves the warping from one side of the galaxy to the other problem. Seriously, who would hate it if they did this?

    Now THIS is the most logical place for them! Your ships ready room on the bridge.

    It's close by. It gets people to explore a part of the game few know about. And it fits perfectly in context with the whole 'communique' theme.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    They took the idea from the dyson rep where it was an actual cutscene (amazingly skippable) and then had a final task. Romulan also had something similar involving actual player activity.
    The Dyson one gives you a Boff, and the Romulan one is required to get the T5 rep rewards. So making those unskippable kinda makes sense. Also they're ACTUAL missions not just a single "go read a computer log" task.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.


    It's even more ridiculous than you think. :) They're sending you a communiqué, to go read a communiqué somewhere else. It's like sending you an email, telling you there's an email waiting for you. Doh.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.
    It's even more ridiculous than you think. :) They're sending you a communiqué, to go read a communiqué somewhere else. It's like sending you an email, telling you there's an email waiting for you. Doh.
    Well, in theory, it's a message they don't want to send over subspace for security reasons. Not a good reason to make the mission unskippable, but a good reason to make you go to DS9 to read the message.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.
    It's even more ridiculous than you think. :) They're sending you a communiqué, to go read a communiqué somewhere else. It's like sending you an email, telling you there's an email waiting for you. Doh.
    Well, in theory, it's a message they don't want to send over subspace for security reasons. Not a good reason to make the mission unskippable, but a good reason to make you go to DS9 to read the message.


    They've sent plenty of encrypted messages over subspace (ST:TNG/DS9).

    Besides, an encrypted P2P subspace message is always much more secure, as anyone who'se ever worked with computers can tell you, that anyone with physical access to a computer, accessible by many, makes said system notoriously unsafe.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    > @meimeitoo said:
    > I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there.

    That was done for Security reasons. You can't have people beaming in and out of Starbases in an uncontrolled manner....


    .... except if you are leaving to go to an Event.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    > @meimeitoo said:
    > I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there.

    That was done for Security reasons. You can't have people beaming in and out of Starbases in an uncontrolled manner....


    .... except if you are leaving to go to an Event.


    ...Huh... that never seems to be an issue on ESD.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Fleet Starbases not ESD.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
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    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • kyle223catkyle223cat Member Posts: 584 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    > @meimeitoo said:
    > I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there.

    That was done for Security reasons. You can't have people beaming in and out of Starbases in an uncontrolled manner....


    .... except if you are leaving to go to an Event.


    ...Huh... that never seems to be an issue on ESD.

    They want people to be able to flee ESD as quickly as possible when they inevitably see the chat going on there. :p
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    kyle223cat wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    > @meimeitoo said:
    > I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there.

    That was done for Security reasons. You can't have people beaming in and out of Starbases in an uncontrolled manner....


    .... except if you are leaving to go to an Event.


    ...Huh... that never seems to be an issue on ESD.

    They want people to be able to flee ESD as quickly as possible when they inevitably see the chat going on there. :p


    That's assuming DS9 chat is much better. :p Remember, DS9 is home of the Gorn jokes.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2018
    ltminns wrote: »
    Fleet Starbases not ESD.


    And the difference being? You can only beam into a Fleet Starbase when you belong there (thru yourself or thru an invite). There's absolutely no valid reason you continually have to go to the transporter pad, just to beam out. None whatsoever.
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  • kyle223catkyle223cat Member Posts: 584 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    kyle223cat wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    > @meimeitoo said:
    > I think they've done this, same reason they made it so, back when, that you can't beam out of your Fleet starbase from any place: they wanted to you to 'forcibly' enjoy being there.

    That was done for Security reasons. You can't have people beaming in and out of Starbases in an uncontrolled manner....


    .... except if you are leaving to go to an Event.


    ...Huh... that never seems to be an issue on ESD.

    They want people to be able to flee ESD as quickly as possible when they inevitably see the chat going on there. :p


    That's assuming DS9 chat is much better. :p Remember, DS9 is home of the Gorn jokes.

    True true.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    My original post was sarcastic about the Security reasons. The comment about being able to beam out directly from anywhere in the Fleet Starbase when you are going to an Event negates that reason.

    Try it sometime, go anywhere in the Starbase then use the Transwarp to a Featured Episode or to an Event that shows up in the Calendar and you will Beam straight out.

    The Transport Pad, I believe, is being forced because you have a choice of many Fleet Holdings you can go to. Could they have done it like they do at the Holdings where a Pad is not used and you can use a limited selection from a Button on your UI? Sure. But the Destination selections from the Holdings is much less than from the Starbase itself.

    As it is there are cascading selections from the Starbase Pad on a fairly large dialog box.
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    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.
    It's even more ridiculous than you think. :) They're sending you a communiqué, to go read a communiqué somewhere else. It's like sending you an email, telling you there's an email waiting for you. Doh.
    Well, in theory, it's a message they don't want to send over subspace for security reasons. Not a good reason to make the mission unskippable, but a good reason to make you go to DS9 to read the message.
    They've sent plenty of encrypted messages over subspace (ST:TNG/DS9).

    Besides, an encrypted P2P subspace message is always much more secure, as anyone who'se ever worked with computers can tell you, that anyone with physical access to a computer, accessible by many, makes said system notoriously unsafe.
    How is that LESS safe than broadcasting it? Encrypted file stored in a computer: you need physical access at bare minimum to access the file. Broadcasted encrypted file: everyone in the path of the transmission has a copy of the file delivered straight to them. In both cases the third party still needs to figure out decryption. This MIGHT be somewhat easier if you have access to the physical computer, but realistically it'd not be much help. IE only an idiot would store the key to decrypt the file with the file. A transmitted file would probably be encrypted using a key that the receiving party already has, thus the decryption key would never be transmitted.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    The Transport Pad, I believe, is being forced because you have a choice of many Fleet Holdings you can go to. Could they have done it like they do at the Holdings where a Pad is not used and you can use a limited selection from a Button on your UI? Sure. But the Destination selections from the Holdings is much less than from the Starbase itself.
    There is no practical reason not to have the standard traffic control dialog on Starbase and Embassy, accessible everywhere just like on newer holdings. The only reason we don't, is because the standard traffic control didn't exist when the maps were made and old maps rarely get upgraded later in this game.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    They're completely ridiculous.

    They hail you.. across space to tell you to come to DS9 in person.. to listen to recordings that they could just send you over subspace. The whole idea is just silly, it's nothing but an unnecessary task to get you to visit DS9 for whatever reason.
    It's even more ridiculous than you think. :) They're sending you a communiqué, to go read a communiqué somewhere else. It's like sending you an email, telling you there's an email waiting for you. Doh.
    Well, in theory, it's a message they don't want to send over subspace for security reasons. Not a good reason to make the mission unskippable, but a good reason to make you go to DS9 to read the message.
    They've sent plenty of encrypted messages over subspace (ST:TNG/DS9).

    Besides, an encrypted P2P subspace message is always much more secure, as anyone who'se ever worked with computers can tell you, that anyone with physical access to a computer, accessible by many, makes said system notoriously unsafe.
    How is that LESS safe than broadcasting it? Encrypted file stored in a computer: you need physical access at bare minimum to access the file. Broadcasted encrypted file: everyone in the path of the transmission has a copy of the file delivered straight to them. In both cases the third party still needs to figure out decryption. This MIGHT be somewhat easier if you have access to the physical computer, but realistically it'd not be much help. IE only an idiot would store the key to decrypt the file with the file. A transmitted file would probably be encrypted using a key that the receiving party already has, thus the decryption key would never be transmitted.
    Fictional computer security is almost always the work of idiots. Or rather, people who don't know jack about computer security, ie writers.

    If the encryption is solid, it doesn't matter who has a copy of the ciphertext.

    Physical access to the system used to decrypt a file trumps all encryption. It doesn't matter where the key is stored, because it has to be combined with the file to use it. If an adversary access to the hardware this takes place on, they can simply monitor the computer and wait for the player to enter the decryption key. A risk that would not exist if the player was sent the file to open in private (if the adversary had compromized the player's own computers, they would already have the key).
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