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Issues with Jem'hadar and Romulan Reputation system
ajm1067
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Belting through the Rom Rep with my new Jem'hadar, at Tier 2 completion, I found that to get to the Mountain Pass, and get the assignment from the Rom civilian, I needed to do all the basic Rom missions, from seeing the Ambassador asking for help, through the Staging Area, the Warehouse, The Atlai, to Vastam Peaks, before I could get the Rom to appear and give me the assignment. I therefore decided that I may as well run through them all up to the Underground Ruins, seeing as I had done all those others just to get that far.
Was this a mistake? Now I'm at Tier 3 and the Rep system has generated the Paehhos Caves assignment, which I also ran through at Tier 2 - but now I cannot get into the caves, nor can I get the assignment from the Roms at the site. I can't turn up and hand it in or drop it, let alone do it.
I've already done it with this toon, but the assignment is now sitting again in my "In progress" assignments, but without the ability to do it again!
In all likelihood, I'm going to have this problem with the T4 and T5 Rom Rep assignments.
Was this a mistake? Now I'm at Tier 3 and the Rep system has generated the Paehhos Caves assignment, which I also ran through at Tier 2 - but now I cannot get into the caves, nor can I get the assignment from the Roms at the site. I can't turn up and hand it in or drop it, let alone do it.
I've already done it with this toon, but the assignment is now sitting again in my "In progress" assignments, but without the ability to do it again!
In all likelihood, I'm going to have this problem with the T4 and T5 Rom Rep assignments.
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Oh good grief. Try reading my post.
And then you DO likely need to replay (on J->Episode) the Mountain Base mission. Yes. (plus, he tried to help you.)
Unless things changed this is the only way to replay the episode as far as I know, and it seems you need a replay.
Unless you (also?) didn't do the hidden chache fully maybe, in this case you may likely have to do it 1st*.
Sorry about any inaccuracy I don't remember the names etc perfectly.
Either way just another note for the future - while T4 and T5 reputation missions share the same instance (the EV suit one) and in my opinion would be better played together (with ALL objectives for quest and ALL needed T4 and T5 objectives done at once, to get sure both tier missions are completed) still know for T4 reputation mission you still got to watch and submit if applicable, a cutscene near embassy 1st.
P.S.
*Did you interact with the HIDDEN CACHE on staging area (not on stage itself), and submitted the info then, 1st?
(I think there is also a warehouse which requires tier 1 1st, but it's skip-able, and AFAIK, only the hidden cache is a must for reputation T1. Still you may opt to do this just in case as well?)
At least if you have done the T1 (hidden cache on staging area - not stage, interaction and submitting) and T2 missions (mountain pass: mountain base including shuttle codes+submitting near the space vessel) completely (for rep purposes)
Then for next, rep T3, you do need Overgrown Caves (pahoes? can't spell this ATM)
This can be done/REPLAYED at least, by J->Episodes->New Romulus (needs T3)
Please interact with all consoles there as I can't tell you which one is for your reputation mission.
Needed very late edit: yes, if you exit and can't reenter you probably have to abandon the quest and then replay (if not in cd/after cd) to enter this place. but I am not a support person to say such definitely. Sorry for my misunderstanding, such things happen as you see, as we are all human.
I don't know, but don't you need previous reputation missions to do a more advanced tier one? thanks for info, if not.
It's new info for me
There could be a cool down ofc.
If abandoned, then in time it has to be replayed, though, sorry for my misunderstanding at 1st.
You may do previous reputation tasks just in case if you like, if not done yet.
Thank you for your response and sorry that it was lost after you invested a lot of time, thought and work in it probably.
While as said I'm not a support person, still it seems to me as if the situation is close to be understood and hopefully solved.
So. You did T1 and T2 missions. You can't abandon the quest and quest is in progress. WHICH quest is in progress? You need to have Overgrown Caves mission replayed or in progress, which is done as you said in Paehhos (or a similar spelling).
*I didn't mean you to abandon the reputation quest, able or not. Only related there to the conjugated mission: Overgrown Caves for T3.
It's not your 1st run, understood. I have also multiple chars but don't remember exactly, but encountered myself some issues and resolved those for self eventually so I thought my non accurate experience could help some.
During the time, things changed. I think nowadays replays are no longer done by the civil NPC (sometimes you could get still the quest that way, maybe for the 1st time) but by J->Episodes->New Romulus. The matching quest for T3 is Overgrown Caves. Within the instance in Paehhos, there is also your reputation task along with Overgrown Caves' mission tasks. Hence one should ideally not exit prematurely else one may have to replay.
I think replay by J->Episodes->New Romulus SHOULD be possible. Your T3 rep mission is still in progress, if I understood correctly.
I cannot do it, I cannot drop it.
I did this T3 Paehhos Caves assignment already whilst still at T2 on Rom Rep with NB my new S15 Jem'hadar (so no previous seasons episodes are available to this toon, including any of the Rom arc - so kindly refrain from referring to that).
I couldn't do the T2 codes assignment without the Mountain Pass assignment, but the Rom who gives it was not available until I had completed all the previously listed Rom assignments, from speaking to the Ambassador, Staging Area, etc, onwards.
After I completed the T2 Mountain Pass assignment, the next one (Paehhos Caves) popped up straight away - so I did that, and went on the complete the T5 one (I don't recall seeing the T4 one with the chat with the scientists - I think it went straight to the assignment underground with the Iconian Gate). I figured I may as well.
The problem seems to have arisen because I wasn't yet at T3 Rom Rep (let alone T4/T5). Despite having done the T3 Paehhos Caves assignment with this toon, reaching T3 Rom Rep has generated it to be done again.
I don't want to do it again, but I can't drop it, and I cannot access the caves anyway, so it is sitting in my "In Progress" waiting to be done, when I can't do it and I can't drop it.
That is the problem.
For my JH everything is greyed out, even after the hidden files I can't do Warehouse.
With the exception of Klingon War all story arcs in the first grouping, including New Romulus,
are greyed out. Unfortunately no word on Diplomatic Orders in the patch notes so I'll be stuck on the second
mission overall for a while longer :P
The problem is that you apparently haven't completed the Gamma Quadrant arc, because once you do that the old missions do show up in your journal. You'll have to finish those 6 missions in order to replay Overgrown Caves to clear out the New Romulus reputation Tier 2 mission.
Speak to Rom Ambassador at your faction HQ who asks for help on New Rom (not sure but they may also be on DS9). That generates the string of assignments that I referred to, from Staging Area, Warehouse, et seq.
I was finding that the D'Tan introduction video was playing whenever I went to NR with my Jh, until I did that. No ESC available, so I had to sit and wait for it to finish before I could do anything on NR - even if it was only to use the bank.
It's the T3 one, but otherwise noted. I have the last episode to do with the Jh toon. I'll see if that means I can fix the issue and report back - but I really don't want to replay any missions, especially if I have to go back to the Staging Area & Warehouse, just to get rid of this one still in my 'to do' list, when I've done it already.
This problem shouldn't have been able to arise. Players should be prevented from doing these Rom Rep related missions before reaching whichever tier they usually come at. What should happen is that you gain access to NR via the Ambassador (as I did), but this should only get you as far as The Atlai or Vastam Peaks, with the subsequent Mountain Pass, Caves and Underground missions only being accessible via the Rom Rep system.
It would have been better if all other missions were blocked before you met the prerequisite for them being in the journal. I guess they couldn't easily hide them from you in every way, so they just blanked them out in the Episodes tab, figuring that's how most people get to their missions. As you've proven, it's an imperfect solution, and some people are more resourceful than just looking in the Episodes tab. Cryptic either didn't count on that, or they figured that the number of people who would do that was pretty low.
The NR Episodes acknowledge that I had completed them already as they were asking me to replay and pointing out lesser rewards for doing so.
I was able to obtain the Overgrown Caves episode straight away therefore without doing any earlier ones. I tried to drop it to see if the web codes would go with it, but it didn't, so played the episode in order to clear it - which it did.
It's been so long since I did Rom Rep, I forgot that they moved what were the Rep missions into the Episodes, and this was evidently why they kept popping up after I started doing them for the Rom Rep.
As per my OP, my initial mistake was choosing to play them all as they popped up, instead of waiting until I needed to for the Rom Rep, but this still needs to be looked at by The Devs.
Someone can come along and choose to play the episodes before touching the (Romulan) Rep system - and then find they are replaying episodes they've already done on the same toon in order to progress the Rep.
I somehow failed to understand initially that the OP was going to NR before completing the Jemm'Hadar line, and maybe even failed to notice, despite the OP writing this, that the character was a Jemm'Hadar, and that he did reputations Tier one and two just fine, sorry about that. (misunderstanding occur to me a lot)
BTW, and off topic, the reason I didn't go myself to NR with my Jemm'Hadar despite having Tier two achieved, was expecting troubles which could occur while being still in the Jemm'Hadar's line then, especially as things went messy and not "looking" fully consistent in NR regarding the reputation missions... Similarly though regarding any other line, (was afraid to "touch" any quest line before seeing its tab accessible) so I am practically stuck on the Jemm'Hadar's line (5th quest) myself until I solve my own issues with timer and responsiveness in a mission there, but that's another story.
P.S.
thank you anodynes , yet again
Thanks for trying to help. For my part, I didn't know that the rest of the story arcs were going to become available after completing the new S15 episodes, so I was working on the understanding that they were not accessible to a new Jem'hadar toon - or more to the point, were never going to be, because there was nothing in the episodes tab at all for them and no indication in the game that they would be. I thought that was part of the point of giving these toons level 60 and some of the rep completed, so that Jh toons didn't need to have done those.
So yeah, kudos to anodynes for working that out.
False assumptions on my part, admittedly, but arising through a lack of data and information.
As I said recently elsewhere, instead of Tenebris Torquent, how about some Lucent in Tenebris?