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Are you happy Romulans will be able to use most of their allies tier five and tier six ships?"

thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
edited May 2018 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Give your opinions on this. What do you think?

*Ignore the (Or) in the Last poll option I would edit it out but Its just not possible*

Are you happy Romulans will be able to use most of their allies tier five and tier six ships?" 121 votes

Yes About Time!
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Yes and No. I'm happy to have more ships for Admiralty but I'm not happy they are giving playable tier 5 and tier 6 fed/kdf ships to the Romulans
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No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
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No because of other reasons/Or its not lore friendly
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    It does not bother me.
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  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    I am Deferi. I like my balance.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,833 Community Moderator
    I'm kinda on the fence. I like the added Admiralty, especially in terms of Science and engineering, but on the other hand... there is the issue of doubling up on ships that give the same trait at T6, like the Arbiter and Morrigu. If they limited it to only ships that don't have counterparts it might be better.

    However seeing as how that is probably not possible as the Jem'Hadar won't even have that as an option...
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    Yes About Time!
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I'm kinda on the fence. I like the added Admiralty, especially in terms of Science and engineering, but on the other hand... there is the issue of doubling up on ships that give the same trait at T6, like the Arbiter and Morrigu. If they limited it to only ships that don't have counterparts it might be better.

    However seeing as how that is probably not possible as the Jem'Hadar won't even have that as an option...

    Well they could have or still could give the Jem Hadar have the option of helping the Romulan Republic but requiring them to help the federation or Kdf at the same time. But by the looks of it they are not going to do this. So basically it will be another sub faction within a faction. Only this time it would have less then the Romulans. But that might bring a lot of unbalance. A lot of folks would go for Jem and then Romulan republic because they would get more out of doing so. So that might be one reason why they aren't adding in that option.
  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    thevampinator should make a poll asking if thevampinator is the new poll thread master. Four polls recently but I like it.

    Back on topic, maybe this sets the stage for no more Romulan ships and mega bundles. They would only need to make kdf and fed instead of rolling out Romulan ships that are being drawn from increasingly dwindling source material.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,833 Community Moderator
    locutusofcactus wrote: »
    thevampinator should make a poll asking if thevampinator is the new poll thread master. Four polls recently but I like it.

    Back on topic, maybe this sets the stage for no more Romulan ships and mega bundles. They would only need to make kdf and fed instead of rolling out Romulan ships that are being drawn from increasingly dwindling source material.

    OR... they will be adding Jem'Hadar ones too. They aren't going to abandon the Romulans just because "Oh they can now fly allied ships now". They know there are people who would prefer to fly Romulan ships.

    They're probably opening it up for the Romulans because the Jem'Hadar will need ships too. And it would be too costly to try and reverse engineer EVERY specialist ship in the game for Jem'Hadar variants as well. I mean think about it... would they really have time to make Intel, Pilot, Command, Miracle Worker, and Temporal ship equivelents for the Jem'Hadar that we've already got for Fed/KDF/Romulans? And that is ON TOP of designing the new Vanguard ships and the Cardi ships we're getting.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • claudiusdkclaudiusdk Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    Yes, this brings some balance to the game. Romulans didn't have a lot of ship options.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    It's all Fed to me anyway so why not kick down that final barrier?
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  • ikonn#1068 ikonn
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    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    Yes, I do like that the Romulans get access to more ships. However, I do think that this will have the side-effect of creating the situation where many people will simply abandon creating and/or playing Fed and KDF faction characters. The “major factions need something as well to offset the “perceived” imbalance that will exist as a result of this.
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    ixionveridian wrote: »
    Yes, I do like that the Romulans get access to more ships. However, I do think that this will have the side-effect of creating the situation where many people will simply abandon creating and/or playing Fed and KDF faction characters. The “major factions need something as well to offset the “perceived” imbalance that will exist as a result of this.

    Well it would make it so they at least do more romulan content. Hopefully if it happens.
  • jamieblanchardjamieblanchard Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    Well, one of the poll options pretty much gave my answer: Our rom toons have the option to use the lower tier allied craft, so it only makes sense to give the option for all allied craft in addition to Romulan.
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  • jabofneurospinejabofneurospine Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    Yes, quite. Although there are some caveats. I'm happy to have access to an actually good variety of admiralty cards on my romulan characters, but I also feel that this may not have been the best solution to the problem. I personally don't think I'd ever fly a federation or klingon ship on my romulan characters It is nice to have the option. I'm also really happy to finally be able to get the naussican stinger fighters on my kdf-rom characters. That said, the extra options may create the impression that the romulans are the 'better' choice since they have the same options as their base factions plus extras. I don't mind myself, In my opinion having extra options on one faction doesn't detract from the others. But any imbalance perceived or real between factions in the game will cause some amount backlash in the community. (just look at the announcement feedback thread) So while I think it does work to solve a real problem, I also think it may not be the best for the game's health overall.

    Of course, it would be better if the romulans where given a ship compliment comparable to the other factions. (actually, the kdf is lagging behind the federation too in this regard) But I also understand that this is a far easier (and cheaper) option. It's also likely that the jem'hadar will be launching with ~7 ships and since this would almost certainly be the best solution to that problem, the romulans are being retroactively altered so the two subfactions aren't arbitrarily different. (23c of course is really more of an alternate start for federation characters)

    My largest worry is that this could decrease incentive to make new romulan ships. Of course on a more positive note, it also opens up the possibility of having fed/kdf ship pairs that are the same while having romulan and/or jem'hadar ships released separately (or better yet, in the same pack, but with different stats and traits) that are more distinct.

    Unfortunately there was no "Yes, but..." option.
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    It's nice that theoretically I'll be able to kit out my hestia, ody, archon, arbiter, qib, mat'ha, kurak and bort wit a full SRO roster but not flying a warbird on a rom kinda lessens the rom's purpose.
    Though I'm very hyped for the admiralty, never going to run out of ships again. :D
  • terranempire#7881 terranempire
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    No because of other reasons/Or its not lore friendly
    For me I am worried that new/old Romulan players will stop playing ROM ships for Fed ones and we will see less and less ROM ships being developed or used to the point Feds dominate all.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    Its awesome. Next step, cross-factioning everything for everyone.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Poll choices are way too wordy, don't put words in our mouths. I can't even...
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  • terranempire#7881 terranempire
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    No because of other reasons/Or its not lore friendly
    It a poll choice. You need labels to explain the graph. Sometimes I think people TRIBBLE for the sake of it. You have three options. Don't pick a poll and explain what you think, pick one you think matches your point of view and explain something else or don't bother. We don't need a damn rant towards the OP.
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  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,568 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    terranempire#7881 wrote: »
    For me I am worried that new/old Romulan players will stop playing ROM ships for Fed ones and we will see less and less ROM ships being developed or used to the point Feds dominate all.

    Feds don't have a Scimitar. The Kelvin Intell Dreadnought falls short in terms of ease of access and performance.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    nimbull wrote: »
    terranempire#7881 wrote: »
    For me I am worried that new/old Romulan players will stop playing ROM ships for Fed ones and we will see less and less ROM ships being developed or used to the point Feds dominate all.

    Feds don't have a Scimitar. The Kelvin Intell Dreadnought falls short in terms of ease of access and performance.

    The Vengeance (and some other very desireable ships) is on the ban list so that's not gonna happen either way.

    Many people probably will trade their warbird for a kdf or fed ship at first but I guess once it's settled down and the novelty wore off it's back to cloaking birds again for the majority.
  • mneme0mneme0 Member Posts: 498 Arc User
    No because of other reasons/Or its not lore friendly
    No. I prefer to play Romulan, and getting all my ships in order again will be a fair bit of work.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    I welcome the change, especially if you make an Alien Romulan character, it is that you can create a Rom/Cady, Rom/Klink, Rom/Human etc... Alien creator is a wonderful thing. So this will give us variety for our alien rom characters.

    In regards to pure Romulan, it doesn't bother me as I tend to be a purist at heart and will always assign my Romulan character a Romulan vessel. I just love to have an option now, and options are always great.

    Besides in our world today, we tend to sell airplanes, ships, tanks etc... to other countries - same premise here.
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    All of those incompleted Console sets that can be completed now, Romulans having to earn Starship Traits rather than getting them free. Why not?

    I'd still use Romulan ships, though I'd use the Fed/Klingon ships to get the Starship Traits and then go back to Romulan/Reman/Suliban/Dewanian ships again afterwards :)
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    Yes About Time!
    I voted yes just because it will make admiralty easier for my Romulans.

    I have a Fed Rom and a KDF Rom.. they both fly 'proper' Romulan Warbirds and that will never change.
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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    Im not a fan of this change, I find it damaging to the games factions. T5 and down is no big loss, but T6 has all the endgame ships and traits. Its also silly from ingame point of view, remember that the Fed/Roms/KDF all lost 90%+ of their starships in the iconian war, they dont have ships to give to anyone else.

    Faction lines need to be there or there is no point in us even being diff factions to begin with. Once this change goes through the only thing dividing the factions is a few missions in our respective starting locations. There is no upside to this for the 2 main factions. The romulans could have used this in the begining but now they dont, they have plenty of ships, the JH are the only ones that could use this, and even then I would only go to T5.
  • ashlotteashlotte Member Posts: 316 Arc User
    edited May 2018
    Yes About Time!
    We kind of threw morality out of the window when we allowed the conniving Romulans and their homicidal Reman cousins to fly in our faces with their vaunted Scimitars fully armed with Thalaron weaponry.

    There is no profit in this for us without green blood and an avian fetish.

    They get our ships yet we get nothing from them in return.

    The Nagus will not be pleased.

    That said, I am happy for them... I just hope they'll reciprocate in some manner!
  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    jtoney3448 wrote: »
    Im not a fan of this change, I find it damaging to the games factions. T5 and down is no big loss, but T6 has all the endgame ships and traits. Its also silly from ingame point of view, remember that the Fed/Roms/KDF all lost 90%+ of their starships in the iconian war, they dont have ships to give to anyone else.

    Faction lines need to be there or there is no point in us even being diff factions to begin with. Once this change goes through the only thing dividing the factions is a few missions in our respective starting locations. There is no upside to this for the 2 main factions. The romulans could have used this in the begining but now they dont, they have plenty of ships, the JH are the only ones that could use this, and even then I would only go to T5.

    Starbase holdings and outfits pretty much. Oh, and the number of ships with battle cloak.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    While Romulans may have been lacking in some areas of admiralty, such a dump on FED and KDF characters was unnecessary. There is little point to playing FEDs or Klingons at this point.
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  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    I'm in two minds about this because on the one side I prefer to keep them in their own ships (I'd never fly a rommie around in a kar'fi) while on the other if it lets me unlock traits then that's a definite plus which will add longevity to a character rather than becoming mothballed until certain events come along such as doffing for winter event currencies.
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    No because of unbalance because Federation and Kdf gets nothing out of this.
    More thought should have been given as to why anybody would now want to play a 'vanilla' KDF or FED character. Other than a few specific faction locked ships Rom (and soon Jemmie) ship selection is now pretty extreme. Something needs to be done to head off the extinction of the core factions.
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