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AFK penalty - here we go again
fruitvendor12
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So I join an ISE ISA PUG, standard queue. I enable all support skills. Level 60 in a Mircale Worker cruiser.
But in a PUG, a PUG on Normal, I get hopelessly outclassed.
Zerodd@null010: CLR—Infected Space[1:53]— Dmg(DPS) —Flag Admir 15,266,171(138,783) Zerodd 13,660,199(125,323) T'Usul 8,017,880(75,640) Lourokk 3,501,979(30,991) Moshe Daya 372,925(4,238)
And I get an AFK penalty.
Sigh...
Cryptic, sure would be nice if you correct your algorithm.
But in a PUG, a PUG on Normal, I get hopelessly outclassed.
Zerodd@null010: CLR—Infected Space[1:53]— Dmg(DPS) —Flag Admir 15,266,171(138,783) Zerodd 13,660,199(125,323) T'Usul 8,017,880(75,640) Lourokk 3,501,979(30,991) Moshe Daya 372,925(4,238)
And I get an AFK penalty.
Sigh...
Cryptic, sure would be nice if you correct your algorithm.
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EDIT: My mistake. Meant to say ISA. My typo doesn't change the issue.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
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what DOES need correcting is the same thing that's needed correcting since they introduced it - that it ONLY checks damage and not healing, buffing/debuffing or even just actual ACTION
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
moral of the story... DPS 1st, DPS 2nd, DPS 3rd... basically DPS rules and everyone else can just scram cause your not wanted or needed
We have folks come into a PUG to do a parse that vastly skews results and force a lesser optimized toon like mine into an AFK penalty.
I'm a member of two of the metal channels. I expect when I join a group from those channels to have a tuned ship and captain.
But not a common PUG.
It would be nice if folks wanting a parse would go off on their lonesome and form a group. It is a bit much to expect folks just out for a quick run and level a ship to somehow be silver plus channel member.
Power creep. Why queues get less attention over time.
Not good for the game.
Dude, its a PUG, there are no rules with PUGS.
If somebody wants to join a random queue, thats there right. Regardless of how capable they are, or if they have insane DPS. While i know some DPSers can be arses, they shouldnt be forced, or told to create private groups amongest themselves to run queues.
When you select that queue button, you accept the responsibility, as captain of your own ship, that anything could happen. Thats part of the enjoyment of MMOs like this, but it is also the price. You never know what may happen, and you need to accept things may occur outside of your control. That can create frustrating moments, or the best highlights of your MMO Career.
You also need to accept, sometimes, that the fault doesn't lay within the stars, but within ourselves.
If that's the case, and you only do 4k DPS then you should not be in the advanced map. Rather you think it's fair or not, ISA is a straight DPS map and it's the map used to measure DPS. I'm not sure what you expected when you joined, but pulling 4k DPS in the Advanced Public will get you an AFK 99.9% of the time.
Either work in some more damage dealing into your build or step down to the Normal difficulty. 4k DPS is simply not high enough for the Advanced Map, you're going to get AFK'ed every time.
How often do we see folks complain queues are empty?
This is why. It is power creep. Hey I've been playing STO since 2011.
I've been playing MMOs since Gemstone and FIDOnet. I was one of the contributing programmers for TradeWars.
I've seen a lot of commercial MMOs come and go.
When they go it is because power creep destroys public queues.
I do not need a lecture. I need a fun game to play.
As far as I am concerned the algorithm is pretty easy to correct. Damage over time. Not ultimate percentage. This is painfully easy stuff to write. A simple checkpoint every N number of seconds that accumulates until end of mission.
If you want I can write this out in FORTRAN 77 or Pascal or Commodore BASIC. Heck even COBOL.
This is a game. You want the game to succeed, you get tired of empty queues, stop c.rapping on me.
Penalizing people without warning, using a blatantly false label, with an undocumented feature based on a statistic not visible in the game is absolutely unforgivable.
And if players below some arbitrary performance threshold are meant to be excluded from certain content (which I would support, though not for autowin easy mode milkruns like ISA), those rules need to be explained (in the game, by the developers, not random players on the forums snickering at others' misfortune), properly labeled, applied in an informative rather than punitive manner and the performance measurement made available to players (and no, third-party apps don't count).
Pretty much, I don't agree that people should be punished for lack of participation if they did participate, but you should also try adjusting your build so that the current system doesn't punish you. They don't want people to just attack and then stop participating, but they should be tracking multiple forms of participation.
You have my sympathies for a long afk penalty wait. Perhaps Cryptic will come up with elite versions of these queues to give the higher deeps players some challenge instead of the silly speed face roll that ISA often becomes.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
errr there is no elite version of infected space..... what r u talking about there
and his 4k dps r prob bc the others were mere to fast 4 him
As the name suggests, AFK penalty is so that people don't join a queue and free ride their way to marks and dil. 1% is more than a far threshold to set this type of system at. Instead of blaming this system and DPS'ers for that matter, you should focus on the fact that 1% of damage in the map that the OP is taking about is just over 400k total damage. This is not a lot of damage at all and I'm sure the OP will be more on his/her toes the next time to ensure they get their share of the damage pie.
However, if the OP going to blame the system or DPS'ers or bad spacebar or something from the Q continuum or whatever instead of trying not let this happen again by improving their gameplay in some fashion, then there is nothing that anyone can do to help.
My tip for the OP: If you enter an Infected Space again and all the players shoot off quickly and destroy the first cube even quicker, head to the opposite side they all go start attacking the cube above the shield gen. Be careful not to destroy the regens too early else you will have spheres bearing down on you. Just focus on the Cube and you will get your 400k damage. The others will arrive to your side pretty quickly.
Solved.
BUT.....I'm a big advocate for the AFK system, and I do promote fair-play and sportsmanship in games, so as long as it's doing it's job then people won't get put off by players leeching, which it doesn't always do, as it isn't in EVERY queue.
But as long as we're talking about fair play...the game does not specify any threshold of DPS as requirement for participation, or indeed even inform players there is any such thing as DPS measurement. It's therefore patently unreasonable for it to punish players based on it. Not to mention the unfairness of not informing the victim of this invisible requirement they didn't meet even after the fact, instead just falsely labeling them as "AFK."
It should also take more than just dps into account unless they plan on purging the classes and making us all tacs.
But since the way it works at the moment helps push people into using dil for upgrading and potentially spending money on zen to get said dil they're not as likely to change it for the better.
This one's a good point - what if you're mainly hauling stuff on the Tzenkethi queues, for instance?
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The reverse is also true, if one high DPSer has never learned what nanite spheres are and where they should not get to under what conditions and decides to do things in the wrong order or worse CC the spheres in, the optional can still fail.
Not sure what the solution to catching AFKers is, I see plenty of genuine AFKers in events like Mirror Invasion, and the game even encourages AFKing (won't name the event) since metrics are so important, but clearly it needs to account for healers, damage-in, and lowly alts (who qualify for all STFs, which might be the problem) or for-fun builds, because this is a game that everyone should be able to enjoy not just DPS parsers.
On a sliding scale, from carrying to leeching to AFKing to intentional sabotaging, I don't see leeching itself as a problem as long as the player tries to play common objectives (because success = more fun) even if using unconventional ways deliberately, and it's the nature of pugs and the random risk factor. This holds true from arena competitive PVP (MMR tries to keep things balanced) to large scale PVP (without MMR, allowing the population size itself to even the map) and to PvE.
Sorry, but no.
I have run ISA with some of the highest DPS players in this game and trust me.. there was plenty to shoot at. We're talking about 1% here, that is easy to do even if you're playing with the most elite players in this game. As someone who has been the 'low guy' in a group of super elites.. I am telling you from experience that you couldn't be more wrong. 1% is trivial no matter who you're with.
Obviously, that group didn't need a dedicated healer. The OP was providing a service that was not needed and was not contributing to the overall cause. I am not trying to bash him, I don't think for one second that he was leeching or in any way trying to do anything wrong, but when you try to play a heal tank in ISA you're more then likely going to get an AFK. It's a map frequently run by high DPS players. There are plenty of other queues more suited to a different play style, but ISA is not a good choice for what the OP wanted to do.
I'll never understand why all these anti DPS players insist on running ISA and then complaining about the result. The OP is certainly not the first.