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I believe the Pioneer bridge is only available on the Pioneer class Utility Cruiser, while the Constitution Bridge is available to any ship. But yea... there are two TOS style interiors.
I am still waiting for the Sovereign Class interior, the one shown in Star Trek First Contact - Heck, the Enterprise interior from Undiscovered Country.
Let us face the HARD cold truth, there isn't any money to be made in investing in ship bridges and interiors- It is more of a vanity item.
Are you aware how many MMOs make 90% of their profits off vanity items?
I am still waiting for the Sovereign Class interior, the one shown in Star Trek First Contact - Heck, the Enterprise interior from Undiscovered Country.
Let us face the HARD cold truth, there isn't any money to be made in investing in ship bridges and interiors- It is more of a vanity item.
Are you aware how many MMOs make 90% of their profits off vanity items?
Are you aware that this MMO players don't care?
There are some vanity items that do well...but interiors is not one of them. What happens in other MMO is irrelivant to what happens in this one.
The point of focus isn't that bridges (or other games' items) are vanity items, but is more a question of what is done with said item. The other day on Nimbus, I saw a player where they, and each of their boffs had full Herald armor, and Lobi box Herald staffs. That's something they (and others) can see all day, if they play a lot of ground content. I'm planning on getting a Discovery Vanity Shield for my favorite character, because her ships are the ships I see most (and I think the effect might be particularly interesting on her Cheyenne) But bridges, I don't think folk spend much time on their bridges, as there's nothing to do, beyond ogling bunnies (or maybe RPing with chums. So in a game where they're not a much-used feature, I can understand why they wouldn't be one of the Best Selling items, and why the devs don't devote the resources to them (maybe if there were more bridge-related tasks/activities...)
Bearing that in mind, I do think it's oretty weak that the Discovery ships don't have a bridge which is accurate to their show appearance... At least the options based off the Defiant, Enterprise D and E, etc, are recognizable as 'variations on the theme'
Or, maybe the owners of the Crossfields and Walkers, simply need to headcanon that their ships have undergone refit to 25th Century Starfleet standards...
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Hell they made full interiors for the TOS ships as recently as AOY.
The TOS bundle has been out far longer than AoY has... and it comes with the TOS Connie interior.
Theres actually a newer version of a TOS bridge which came out with AOY. theres 2 TOS bridges now.
I would have loved to use one of those two bridges on my Konnie. Sadly it's bridge locked and I can't so I've kinda started ignoring that character and the game more because I can't make what I want with what I have because of dumb restrictions like that.
Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
They need to give ship interiors some love FFS. Rescale them to not look so huge, at the very least. We know tacofangs still works here right? I'm sure he's capable of doing it, if cryptic cared enough to let him.
Bridges don't get enough use to warrant the attention...plain and simple.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
I agree, they should. I think it's inexcusable for the Crossfield and Walker to not have them, as per other lobi ships. But I can understand why, as a whole vanity bridges wouldn't be 'frequently sold' items, and so why they get little dev resources allocated to them. Why the Crossfield and Walker don't have them, I've no answer or speculation...
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
> @vampeiyre said: > Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are. > > I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Agree totally. Because of the cost premium lobi and lockbox ships should all have custom bridges .
> @vampeiyre said:
> Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
>
> I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Agree totally. Because of the cost premium lobi and lockbox ships should all have custom bridges .
And it used to be that way. It was a kind of gentle(wo)men's agreement, that yes, the Lobi ships are expensive, but at least you're guaranteed a nice, unique bridge out of them... Until the NX. Then it was like "Look, guys, we're getting away with this!" Maybe I'm too cynical, but I feel ppl should always push back when this sort of thing happens: because next time it's something YOU care about. Acceptance breeds laziness.
Personally I think the Bridge should become your central travel hub. I think sector space as a whole should be scrapped and instead have you spend the time onboard ship while traveling to different destinations.
Walk up to the Helm and bring up a map interface to select destination and hit "engage". And maybe while at warp you could have random encounters such as distress calls or anomalies that you could "investigate".
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
> @vampeiyre said:
> Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
>
> I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Agree totally. Because of the cost premium lobi and lockbox ships should all have custom bridges .
And it used to be that way. It was a kind of gentle(wo)men's agreement, that yes, the Lobi ships are expensive, but at least you're guaranteed a nice, unique bridge out of them... Until the NX. Then it was like "Look, guys, we're getting away with this!" Maybe I'm too cynical, but I feel ppl should always push back when this sort of thing happens: because next time it's something YOU care about. Acceptance breeds laziness.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
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And it used to be that way. It was a kind of gentle(wo)men's agreement, that yes, the Lobi ships are expensive, but at least you're guaranteed a nice, unique bridge out of them... Until the NX. Then it was like "Look, guys, we're getting away with this!" Maybe I'm too cynical, but I feel ppl should always push back when this sort of thing happens: because next time it's something YOU care about. Acceptance breeds laziness.
It does a bit smell like that, indeed. Although they will be happy to tell us that it's just that "those are Federation ships, and those should have Federation bridges, which are already in the game..."
But yes, we can give clear and loud feedback here: Expensive lobi and lobo (lockbox) ships deserve a unique bridge. That should also apply for the NX, actually.
I really think a short nod from the dev team's leadership about this would be warranted. Anyone who agrees?
100% The easy answer will be: "They're hundred-year old ships; they've been refit with modern bridges like everything else in the fleet..." And that would be plausibly true from an in-universe perspective. But. People are buying them because they want That Ship As It Is OnTV. That means they'll want the bridge too, and as other Lobi ships had unique bridges, these should be no exception... As meimei said, it comes across as 'what we can get away with', rather than limitations...
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Let us face the HARD cold truth, there isn't any money to be made in investing in ship bridges and interiors
The hard cold truth is that their old bridge-packs simply didn't age well. Most of the bridges in those packs look really bad, and only few of them are okay-ish. If they had better packs or even single full interiors, people *would* spend money for those. People bought the Galaxy-interior or the DS9-pack with the Defiant-interior, right? Or the Pathfinder-bundle with the Voyager-interior?
Especially after the Kelvin-timeline-lockbox, this one is disappointing. All three KT-ships (the jackpots, the lobi-ship adds a fourth one!) have KILLER-bridges. Klingon D4X being my favourite, and the only other klingon interior in STO that I do appreciate is the Bortasqu's one. But guess what? This one also came quite some time after the bridge-packs that are still on the store.
Speaking of the Bortasqu, there are few examples of even C-store-ships that came with a custom bridge. Flagships, Andorian escorts...
Fitting interiors/bridges are not quite as ignored or under-appreciated by players as the sale-number of the OLD bridge-packs suggest.
All four you mean, don't forget about the Romulan T'laru carrier.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
I second the motion, if you have a Star Ship, you should have its corresponding bridge, for free if you manage to get it... or it might ruin our immersion.
All four you mean, don't forget about the Romulan T'laru carrier.
I left out the Vengeance actually, and only because it's the lobi-ship while I was pointing at the jackpots. But yeah, there are four bridges in the full spectrum of it. And all four are awsome.
> @vampeiyre said:
> Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
>
> I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Agree totally. Because of the cost premium lobi and lockbox ships should all have custom bridges .
And it used to be that way. It was a kind of gentle(wo)men's agreement, that yes, the Lobi ships are expensive, but at least you're guaranteed a nice, unique bridge out of them... Until the NX. Then it was like "Look, guys, we're getting away with this!" Maybe I'm too cynical, but I feel ppl should always push back when this sort of thing happens: because next time it's something YOU care about. Acceptance breeds laziness.
Oh, I recall. I only ever got the Tholian ships, none of the other old alien bizarro stuff interested me, but I got all the Fed Kelvin stuff, the Atlas and NX Refit, the Temporal Light Cruiser and the Crossfield. I saw when the dividing line was.
Not long before the Undiscovered lockbox, I recall getting a survey from Cryptic in email asking what stuff I'd like in-game or in a lockbox next (I think it was worded along those lines), and I said please, more TOS &TMP/TWOK stuff since those are the eras of the game that were underserved until the 50th anniversary expansion. So, I was pretty surprised that a month or two later the Undiscovered lockbox dropped, I guess I wasn't the only one to say something similar. My sense is they cobbled that box together quickly, which is why the NX didn't have a bridge. <<<--- I also think that they got the sense that they "got away with it", or no one cared much, so they'd skip unique bridges in the future.
^^^ All I can say about that is, I will NEVER drop money to get lockbox ships again if they try to make it the new normal to not have unique bridges, while giving mealy-mouthed excuses to justify the recent change. I don't claim to be the biggest whale, but Cryptic can add up what I spent to get the above ships and my lifetime sub I pre-ordered before launch, and they can decide if they want to make people like me close my wallet by shafting us in the Lobi/Lockbox unique bridge department. Frankly, from my point-of-view, we're OWED unique bridges for the NX Refit, Crossfield and Walker classes (Sarcophagus too while we're at it), plain and simple.
I understand it takes time to build those things, but the increased revenue that lockboxes generated was supposed to enable Cryptic to do such things and make new FEs, and PWE is slowly but surely just pocketing a bigger share of that and reinvesting less of it into the game. It certainly isn't on Cryptic, they've been a conspicuously generous studio with their F2P model and the cash/zen/lobi conversion options they've given us.
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"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
I'm disappointed about not getting appropriate bridges, on the Discovery ships and on others - for a Trekkie like me, wandering around a proper Trek setting is a big part of the fun. I know received wisdom is that ship interiors are a minority interest... but, well, I'm part of that minority.
Ships that come from the lobi store should absolutely come with unique bridges and interiors. 900 lobi aren't exactly cheap to collect. For that high a price - especially for a non-account unlock - it should have them IMO.
And lobi ships should be account unlock as well. I mean, the price is so stupidly high, that, account unlock should be automatic. Its common sense. But its cryptic/pwe the most greedy combination ever in story lol.
Yeah...and do you know how royally pissed the whales who bought multiple lockbox and lobi ships for all their toons would be that they didn't need to get duplicates? Account unlock won't happen because it will **** off the people who spend massive amounts of money on this game.
Thats dumb man. If lobi ships were account unlock, why they would need to buy extra ones for their alts??? just because they love to waste money? if they do that, then they are stupid lol.
I'm pretty sure coldnapalm meant the whales would be pissed off, realizing they wouldn't have had to buy all those Lobi/lock box ships for that alts, had they waited until the moment they became account-bound.
Ships that come from the lobi store should absolutely come with unique bridges and interiors. 900 lobi aren't exactly cheap to collect. For that high a price - especially for a non-account unlock - it should have them IMO.
And lobi ships should be account unlock as well. I mean, the price is so stupidly high, that, account unlock should be automatic. Its common sense. But its cryptic/pwe the most greedy combination ever in story lol.
Yeah...and do you know how royally pissed the whales who bought multiple lockbox and lobi ships for all their toons would be that they didn't need to get duplicates? Account unlock won't happen because it will **** off the people who spend massive amounts of money on this game.
Thats dumb man. If lobi ships were account unlock, why they would need to buy extra ones for their alts??? just because they love to waste money? if they do that, then they are stupid lol.
I'm pretty sure coldnapalm meant the whales would be pissed off, realizing they wouldn't have had to buy all those Lobi/lock box ships for that alts, had they waited until the moment they became account-bound.
Who cares? Their "unwavering support" should be reward enough
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Like the man says:
The point of focus isn't that bridges (or other games' items) are vanity items, but is more a question of what is done with said item. The other day on Nimbus, I saw a player where they, and each of their boffs had full Herald armor, and Lobi box Herald staffs. That's something they (and others) can see all day, if they play a lot of ground content. I'm planning on getting a Discovery Vanity Shield for my favorite character, because her ships are the ships I see most (and I think the effect might be particularly interesting on her Cheyenne) But bridges, I don't think folk spend much time on their bridges, as there's nothing to do, beyond ogling bunnies (or maybe RPing with chums. So in a game where they're not a much-used feature, I can understand why they wouldn't be one of the Best Selling items, and why the devs don't devote the resources to them (maybe if there were more bridge-related tasks/activities...)
Bearing that in mind, I do think it's oretty weak that the Discovery ships don't have a bridge which is accurate to their show appearance... At least the options based off the Defiant, Enterprise D and E, etc, are recognizable as 'variations on the theme'
Or, maybe the owners of the Crossfields and Walkers, simply need to headcanon that their ships have undergone refit to 25th Century Starfleet standards...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I would have loved to use one of those two bridges on my Konnie. Sadly it's bridge locked and I can't so I've kinda started ignoring that character and the game more because I can't make what I want with what I have because of dumb restrictions like that.
Also Romulans need more bridges.
I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Bridges don't get enough use to warrant the attention...plain and simple.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
> Whether any of you do or do not use your bridges, Lockbox ships should always have bridges for those who like them, given how expensive they are.
>
> I personally have always loved bridges, definitely bought the new Galaxy bridge (though I did wait for a recent sale), and will definitely buy a TMP/TWOKmovie era Constitution bridge/bridge set if they make it.
Agree totally. Because of the cost premium lobi and lockbox ships should all have custom bridges .
And it used to be that way. It was a kind of gentle(wo)men's agreement, that yes, the Lobi ships are expensive, but at least you're guaranteed a nice, unique bridge out of them... Until the NX. Then it was like "Look, guys, we're getting away with this!" Maybe I'm too cynical, but I feel ppl should always push back when this sort of thing happens: because next time it's something YOU care about. Acceptance breeds laziness.
Walk up to the Helm and bring up a map interface to select destination and hit "engage". And maybe while at warp you could have random encounters such as distress calls or anomalies that you could "investigate".
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
100% The easy answer will be: "They're hundred-year old ships; they've been refit with modern bridges like everything else in the fleet..." And that would be plausibly true from an in-universe perspective. But. People are buying them because they want That Ship As It Is OnTV. That means they'll want the bridge too, and as other Lobi ships had unique bridges, these should be no exception... As meimei said, it comes across as 'what we can get away with', rather than limitations...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
The hard cold truth is that their old bridge-packs simply didn't age well. Most of the bridges in those packs look really bad, and only few of them are okay-ish. If they had better packs or even single full interiors, people *would* spend money for those. People bought the Galaxy-interior or the DS9-pack with the Defiant-interior, right? Or the Pathfinder-bundle with the Voyager-interior?
Especially after the Kelvin-timeline-lockbox, this one is disappointing. All three KT-ships (the jackpots, the lobi-ship adds a fourth one!) have KILLER-bridges. Klingon D4X being my favourite, and the only other klingon interior in STO that I do appreciate is the Bortasqu's one. But guess what? This one also came quite some time after the bridge-packs that are still on the store.
Speaking of the Bortasqu, there are few examples of even C-store-ships that came with a custom bridge. Flagships, Andorian escorts...
Fitting interiors/bridges are not quite as ignored or under-appreciated by players as the sale-number of the OLD bridge-packs suggest.
I left out the Vengeance actually, and only because it's the lobi-ship while I was pointing at the jackpots. But yeah, there are four bridges in the full spectrum of it. And all four are awsome.
Oh, I recall. I only ever got the Tholian ships, none of the other old alien bizarro stuff interested me, but I got all the Fed Kelvin stuff, the Atlas and NX Refit, the Temporal Light Cruiser and the Crossfield. I saw when the dividing line was.
Not long before the Undiscovered lockbox, I recall getting a survey from Cryptic in email asking what stuff I'd like in-game or in a lockbox next (I think it was worded along those lines), and I said please, more TOS &TMP/TWOK stuff since those are the eras of the game that were underserved until the 50th anniversary expansion. So, I was pretty surprised that a month or two later the Undiscovered lockbox dropped, I guess I wasn't the only one to say something similar. My sense is they cobbled that box together quickly, which is why the NX didn't have a bridge. <<<--- I also think that they got the sense that they "got away with it", or no one cared much, so they'd skip unique bridges in the future.
^^^ All I can say about that is, I will NEVER drop money to get lockbox ships again if they try to make it the new normal to not have unique bridges, while giving mealy-mouthed excuses to justify the recent change. I don't claim to be the biggest whale, but Cryptic can add up what I spent to get the above ships and my lifetime sub I pre-ordered before launch, and they can decide if they want to make people like me close my wallet by shafting us in the Lobi/Lockbox unique bridge department. Frankly, from my point-of-view, we're OWED unique bridges for the NX Refit, Crossfield and Walker classes (Sarcophagus too while we're at it), plain and simple.
I understand it takes time to build those things, but the increased revenue that lockboxes generated was supposed to enable Cryptic to do such things and make new FEs, and PWE is slowly but surely just pocketing a bigger share of that and reinvesting less of it into the game. It certainly isn't on Cryptic, they've been a conspicuously generous studio with their F2P model and the cash/zen/lobi conversion options they've given us.
I'm pretty sure coldnapalm meant the whales would be pissed off, realizing they wouldn't have had to buy all those Lobi/lock box ships for that alts, had they waited until the moment they became account-bound.
Who cares? Their "unwavering support" should be reward enough