The subject came up recently on Ten Forward Weekly of any one of the big three playable factions being able to fly top-tier ships that belong to either of the other two. For example: Romulans flying Klingon ships. CBS vetoed it. So, while the Romulan D7 is canon, it could be hitting a major point of contention for how STO can use the IP. Add to that the necessary condition of making it a promo ship (otherwise, it's an end-game no go, IP rules again) and the fact that it didn't happen with AOY (we got the Thrai warbird instead), I think the prospects are very dim of this ship ever being playable.
We could have got it if it wasn't for those meddling execs.
You mean the same brain-dead execs that green-lit ST: D?
Seems like they have some schizophrenia going on over there at CBS... "We must protect the IP and keep it true to canon!" "Star Trek: Discovery is awesome!"
Does anyone have a picture of the ship in question?
Basically, the D7 is the original version of the K'Tinga class used by the Klingons. There was another variant of the ship that is often referred to as D7R - which looks exactly the same but with the Romulan bird paint job and some other subtle changes.
You mean the same brain-dead execs that green-lit ST: D?
Seems like they have some schizophrenia going on over there at CBS... "We must protect the IP and keep it true to canon!" "Star Trek: Discovery is awesome!"
Ugh.
How did this get into exec talk anyway? The point was that the ultimate creative arbitrators of STO (ie. people) nixed the idea of the three major factions being able to trade end-game ships with each other in STO.
Romulan players don't get Klingon specific end-game ships, just as FEDs don't get Romulan specific T6 ships and so on. The Romulan D7 may be canon but that might not outweigh higher level creative design (STO isn't a Trek sim that abides by on-screen rules and precedent to the exclusion of all else.) So this ship might not ever happen because the lack of a playable ROM D7 with AOY may not have been a simple oversight (Cryptic had the presence of mind after all to include it in the Foundry.) Hard rules may apply.
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You mean the same brain-dead execs that green-lit ST: D?
Seems like they have some schizophrenia going on over there at CBS... "We must protect the IP and keep it true to canon!" "Star Trek: Discovery is awesome!"
Ugh.
How did this get into exec talk anyway? The point was that the ultimate creative arbitrators of STO (ie. people) nixed the idea of the three major factions being able to trade end-game ships with each other in STO.
Romulan players don't get Klingon specific end-game ships, just as FEDs don't get Romulan specific T6 ships and so on. The Romulan D7 may be canon but that might not outweigh higher level creative design (STO isn't a Trek sim that abides by on-screen rules and precedent to the exclusion of all else.) So this ship might not ever happen because the lack of a playable ROM D7 with AOY may not have been a simple oversight (Cryptic had the presence of mind after all to include it in the Foundry.) Hard rules may apply.
Regarding the Exec talk - sorry, I'll take any chance I get to bash the idiots in charge of the franchise right now because of how badly they are mishandling it.
That said, honestly, I'm on board with the decision in this game to keep top end ships faction specific. It keeps the factions from becoming all the same at end game.
But, if I recall correctly Klingon-aligned Romulan characters do have access to less than top tier D7/K'tinga's - albeit with Klingon markings. I would LOVE to have the TOS Romulan D7 skin shown above available to Romulan characters who wish to fly the old ships. The Bird of Prey/Romulan skin for these ships - but only for Romulan characters - would be fantastic!
> @dracounguis said: > Isn't a Romulan d7 just a Klingon D7 with a different paint job?
It is. There was a short alliance in which the empires exhanged technology. Klingon cloaking devices were supposed to be traded during that deal but that was retconned. However the alliance is still hinted at and background information reveals that a line inserted into the script during I think "Unification" was meant to canonize it. The official Trek database treats the alliance and tech trade as official, however DSC treats on that somehow...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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Not sure i would want to see them give the D7 to the Romulans, but I could see taking the D7 design an then adding or remodeling it to give it a more Romulan or Remen design style. It would be like showing that even though they might have traded technology for those ships, they did not just use them an toss them out, but adapted the ship style and design into some of the later designs they would create (to some extent I could see some similarities in the D7 to the Mogi designs on the surface).
Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use.
That one looks like the original B'Rel to a degree. The villains in ST III were supposed to be Romulans and the BoP was supposed to be Romulan, thus the wing pattern on it. Maybe the alliance deal was D7s for Roms and B'Rels for Klingons.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use.
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I do fly a Klingon D7 but don't have a Rom character. So I'm neutral, but can understand why Rom players would want one of their very few canon ships. The problem is how you do it; anything other than a promo pack is a kick in the teeth for those who've gone to the effort of acquiring one. I think the only option would be to put it in the existing 23c promo pack so Klingon or Romulan characters could select the existing D7; after all only the Roms had two different ships in TOS.
If the ships weren't faction restricted there'd be no issue at all.
It's incontrovertibly a canon ship, as the devs have acknowledged based on it's appearance ingame. There is no reason they can't give Romulans access to the D7, and throw in an appropriate skin for it. It's far more justifiable to let a Romulan fly a D7 than letting any toon fly a Dominion, Tholian, or Undine warship as you currently can in STO. If CBS has forbid it, that is fair enough but the devs could at least say that.
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Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use.
The Winged Defender is off limits though. That's the problem. While it did appear in Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Legacy... STO can't legally touch it. >.<
> @rattler2 said: > tyler002 wrote: » > > asuran14 wrote: » > > Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use. > > > > > > > Reminds me of the Draconarius Class. > > > > > The Winged Defender is off limits though. That's the problem. While it did appear in Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Legacy... STO can't legally touch it. >.<
Can't touch it... FOR NOW. They could finangle access to it with some luck. Perhaps seeing the revenue and publicity might help. Anyhow, if Roms get a D7, it'd be interesting if they got a console or something that disabled the singularity systems in exchange for higher subsystem power.
1. Why would the Romulans re-make something long since retired, especially when there are better ships already?
2. Presumably all the mothballed ships were either scrapped or destroyed in the Hobus incident!
3. Why are people so backward about moving forward!?
4. Even if one was made, people would be up in arms that it doesn't beat everything else!
5. In response to the poster asking for Science. the D7 is a Battlecruiser, not a science vessel!
6. As someone who has two Rom toons, I much prefer Romulan designs, not a borrowed Klingon Scow!
you are entitled to your opinion, but, if there had been a romulan boneyard around some planet other than romulus or hobus, then the Republic would certainly take advantage of them, after all, they are using antique T'Liss. and I suggest a science oriented ship because the roms and KDF have very few and no really good sci ships
Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use.
The Winged Defender is off limits though. That's the problem. While it did appear in Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Legacy... STO can't legally touch it. >.<
That's a real shame isn't it. Armada 2 was awesome. Armada 1 was also nice, but i could no longer get it to work.
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You mean the same brain-dead execs that green-lit ST: D?
Seems like they have some schizophrenia going on over there at CBS... "We must protect the IP and keep it true to canon!" "Star Trek: Discovery is awesome!"
Ugh.
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How did this get into exec talk anyway? The point was that the ultimate creative arbitrators of STO (ie. people) nixed the idea of the three major factions being able to trade end-game ships with each other in STO.
Romulan players don't get Klingon specific end-game ships, just as FEDs don't get Romulan specific T6 ships and so on. The Romulan D7 may be canon but that might not outweigh higher level creative design (STO isn't a Trek sim that abides by on-screen rules and precedent to the exclusion of all else.) So this ship might not ever happen because the lack of a playable ROM D7 with AOY may not have been a simple oversight (Cryptic had the presence of mind after all to include it in the Foundry.) Hard rules may apply.
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Regarding the Exec talk - sorry, I'll take any chance I get to bash the idiots in charge of the franchise right now because of how badly they are mishandling it.
That said, honestly, I'm on board with the decision in this game to keep top end ships faction specific. It keeps the factions from becoming all the same at end game.
But, if I recall correctly Klingon-aligned Romulan characters do have access to less than top tier D7/K'tinga's - albeit with Klingon markings. I would LOVE to have the TOS Romulan D7 skin shown above available to Romulan characters who wish to fly the old ships. The Bird of Prey/Romulan skin for these ships - but only for Romulan characters - would be fantastic!
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> Isn't a Romulan d7 just a Klingon D7 with a different paint job?
It is. There was a short alliance in which the empires exhanged technology. Klingon cloaking devices were supposed to be traded during that deal but that was retconned. However the alliance is still hinted at and background information reveals that a line inserted into the script during I think "Unification" was meant to canonize it. The official Trek database treats the alliance and tech trade as official, however DSC treats on that somehow...
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If it won't happen because rules then it won't happen. I have the lovely Shinzonmobile T6 editions to get on with.
Though i would much rather see some of the Fasa designs from the table top games added abit more. Like the Romulan wing defender, which maybe with abit of a redesign to bring it more in line with the current style could be fun to use.
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Reminds me of the Draconarius Class.
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The Winged Defender is off limits though. That's the problem. While it did appear in Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Legacy... STO can't legally touch it. >.<
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> The Winged Defender is off limits though. That's the problem. While it did appear in Star Trek Armada and Star Trek Legacy... STO can't legally touch it. >.<
Can't touch it... FOR NOW. They could finangle access to it with some luck. Perhaps seeing the revenue and publicity might help.
Anyhow, if Roms get a D7, it'd be interesting if they got a console or something that disabled the singularity systems in exchange for higher subsystem power.
you are entitled to your opinion, but, if there had been a romulan boneyard around some planet other than romulus or hobus, then the Republic would certainly take advantage of them, after all, they are using antique T'Liss. and I suggest a science oriented ship because the roms and KDF have very few and no really good sci ships
That's a real shame isn't it. Armada 2 was awesome. Armada 1 was also nice, but i could no longer get it to work.
A lot of good games we can't really play anymore...
Isn't that essentially a Mogai?
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