Y cant the klingons have a d7 class battlecruiser and a d7 class freighter, and a d7 class scout? Would be like having a escort salon. Escort sport and a escort 5 door car.
Y cant the klingons have a d7 class battlecruiser and a d7 class freighter, and a d7 class scout? Would be like having a escort salon. Escort sport and a escort 5 door car.
There was only one type of D7
What we saw on Discovery, was not a D7.
It was not looking like the D7 used to look, but as it was identified *as* a D7. This means that in the narrative of the show, it *is* a D7. It's the second klingon ship that has been identified with terminology we are familiar with (the first being the bird of prey).
Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
Y cant the klingons have a d7 class battlecruiser and a d7 class freighter, and a d7 class scout? Would be like having a escort salon. Escort sport and a escort 5 door car.
There was only one type of D7
What we saw on Discovery, was not a D7.
It was not looking like the D7 used to look, but as it was identified *as* a D7. This means that in the narrative of the show, it *is* a D7. It's the second klingon ship that has been identified with terminology we are familiar with (the first being the bird of prey).
Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
While amusing, it's totally wrong in the context. You are mistaking a visual redesign in reimagined fiction for a "lie", not fruits that actually exist in nature. Meaning you might be taking something a little too serious here.
You have a franchise and two installments. The newer installment calls out two familiar terms from the other, much older installment in proper context (D7-class battlecruiser in this case) and shows you a fictional starship. No matter how it looks, to the show this is a D7-class battlecruiser. You don't accept that, but it's still just (reimagined) fiction.
Y cant the klingons have a d7 class battlecruiser and a d7 class freighter, and a d7 class scout? Would be like having a escort salon. Escort sport and a escort 5 door car.
There was only one type of D7
What we saw on Discovery, was not a D7.
It was not looking like the D7 used to look, but as it was identified *as* a D7. This means that in the narrative of the show, it *is* a D7. It's the second klingon ship that has been identified with terminology we are familiar with (the first being the bird of prey).
Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
The phrase "alternative facts" comes to mind. When they said that Discovery was Trek for a new era, they were right. Everyone just forgot how terrible an era we live in.
The phrase "alternative facts" comes to mind. When they said that Discovery was Trek for a new era, they were right. Everyone just forgot how terrible an era we live in.
You mean living in fear of a possible nuclear attack during the sixties and beyond was good times?
The phrase "alternative facts" comes to mind. When they said that Discovery was Trek for a new era, they were right. Everyone just forgot how terrible an era we live in.
You mean living in fear of a possible nuclear attack during the sixties and beyond was good times?
No, I mean the casual, brazen lies and constant gaslighting that have just become a part of everyday life.
> @redeyedraven said: > > Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
Except with ENT, we had the Raptor class and the D5 class battlecruiser, that also had a tanker version. (To be fair it was Archer who called Raptor that, though it did had at least 6 photon torp tubes/ports.)
Bit late to the discussion, but honestly.. this episode just made me wish, again, that the series was officially set AFTER the TNG era. Change the Klingons to some new faction fed up with the Federation's ever-expanding borders and adjust Michael Burnham's backstory, and it would probably solve a good 90% of the continuing issues I have with the series(the remaining 10% would be the tiresome and lazy "The Human(s) is actually the badguy!" trope). The holodeck nearly made me want to puke with disgust - I don't even think the mirror universe would have access to them yet.
As for the episode's plot: I do enjoy tragedies; especially ironic ones.
I hope the admiral's death will become another "scar" the captain has to live with; hopefully forcing him to grow further as a character(for better or worse). They've given her so many 'death flags' in that episode, but I could also see them keeping her alive in the story as a means of building tension for the captain's career.
The phrase "alternative facts" comes to mind. When they said that Discovery was Trek for a new era, they were right. Everyone just forgot how terrible an era we live in.
You mean living in fear of a possible nuclear attack during the sixties and beyond was good times?
Which was another boogeyman, the 'DUCK AND COVER ERA!'.....same things now, just using terrorists and rogue states to blame instead of communists of those days, whilst the emperor still walks around naked, but few coming out and saying "he's naked!", and demonized when they say he's naked.
Today you have constant warfare, big brother spying policy, false flag attacks, few rights and privacy, and folks who blame the opposite sides(conservatives blaming liberals, liberals blaming conservatives...rather than working together and getting rid of the real problem, the real trouble makers, special interest) rather than the ones pulling the strings, and a world where there seems to be no resources available to help folks out....yet plenty available for more warfare and killing. Seemingly to be more comfortable blaming it all on incompetent clowns who don't know what they are doing, rather than even considering it's all planned because a population that's been made poor, sick and dumb is easier to control than one that is smart, healthy and strong and happy. And I really don't feel free, and.....to me, it's the 1960's all over again, now, and the dial's cranked up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YM3n2x7iSI
Now, back to the show, I sure as hell would be looking for the nearest escape pod, or ask for a transfer to another ship, like the Enterprise, because this captain I'd have no faith in, and I'd hope to get away before becoming a disposable utility for him.
Lots of viewers seem to have an issue with Lorca being the only one who survived the destruction of the Bonham.
His ship was named Buran, most likely named after the russian version of the space shuttle. While superficially almost identical to the NASA-shuttle, the Buran had a more advanced (and much much safer) lifting-system. It also was built with unmanned flights in mind, the only test-flight happened on auto-pilot (with impressive precision despite bad weather-conditions on the way back). The NASA-shuttle wasn't able to do that.
Which was another boogeyman, the 'DUCK AND COVER ERA!'.....same things now, just using terrorists and rogue states to blame instead of communists of those days, whilst the emperor still walks around naked, but few coming out and saying "he's naked!", and demonized when they say he's naked.
I know what we have today, and I kinda disagree with you here. America riding the terrorism-horse to death worked like ten years ago, but overall, people seem to pretty much ignore the threats around them until something happens really close to where they live. And it makes sense in a way, because ain't nobody got time to fear terrorists when they need to pay their rents and get through their lives.
I'm not going any deeper here, as we're discussing fiction.
People are bashing Lorca for abaddoning the Admiral to her fate with the Klingons, and for being sexually manipulative forgetting that Captain Lorca was the junior officer, whose job was being threaten, and who she knew was likely suffering from extreme PTSD, but hiding it, but she had sex with him anyway.
Seriously they should rename her Admiral Weinstein.
It's a shocking theme to TRIBBLE, woman in power taking advantage of those under their power.
First the Warden Captain and now Admiral "Weinstein" (I'm guessing you guys get the reference).
It's a shocking theme to TRIBBLE, woman in power taking advantage of those under their power.
That's a weird conclusion tbh. I didn't get that impression on any of the female superiors. Georgiou tried her best to help Burnham getting used to the human world after leaving Vulcan and even set her up for promotion, and admiral Cornwell was genuinely worried about Lorca up to the point when she accidentally woke him up. That moment shocked her and made her realize that Lorca fooled the people that kept him in the command-chair after the Buran-incident. Now she didn't only worry about a friend, but also about an unpredictable commanding officer, a walking time-bomb.
She implied to get him out of the command-chair and he plead for not taking it away from him, leaving her to make the compromise that for the rest of the war he can stay on Discovery as captain, but after that he'd have to go into rehabilitation, announcing further talks about this. Somebody who is not actually a friend would have NOT made this sort of compromise here. An objective admiral would have just relieved Lorca of command rightaway and appointed Saru the acting captain for the time being.
She was giving him reasons to be afraid for his job before they slept together and she was in a position of authority over him, 100% sexual harassment by a supior officer, she had no business sleeping with him under the circumstances, it's was a huge ethical breach and in any real world military if an Admiral slept with a Captain after giving them reason to believe that the Captain's job security and career was under threat from them, they would be court martialed for the offence if exposed.
Do you think the Admiral deserves a free pass because she's a woman?
She didn't "threaten" him at all, and before he jumped her with a phaser out of reflex, she simply repeatedly expressed concerns about what happens on Discovery. And those concerns come from SFC directly. She didn't point at what SHE might do, but at what Starfleet might decide. She started actively telling him what she's gonna do AFTER he almost attacked her.
Also she didn't start the whole 'hey let's be intimate'-thing at all.
It's a shocking theme to TRIBBLE, woman in power taking advantage of those under their power.
That's a weird conclusion tbh. I didn't get that impression on any of the female superiors. Georgiou tried her best to help Burnham getting used to the human world after leaving Vulcan and even set her up for promotion, and admiral Cornwell was genuinely worried about Lorca up to the point when she accidentally woke him up. That moment shocked her and made her realize that Lorca fooled the people that kept him in the command-chair after the Buran-incident. Now she didn't only worry about a friend, but also about an unpredictable commanding officer, a walking time-bomb.
She implied to get him out of the command-chair and he plead for not taking it away from him, leaving her to make the compromise that for the rest of the war he can stay on Discovery as captain, but after that he'd have to go into rehabilitation, announcing further talks about this. Somebody who is not actually a friend would have NOT made this sort of compromise here. An objective admiral would have just relieved Lorca of command rightaway and appointed Saru the acting captain for the time being.
If you push that on further, Lorca would conclude that Cornwell is a threat to his goals and his agenda and someone as unpredictable as Lorca wouldn't have any reservations about not rescuing Cornwell from the Klingons if it meant getting her out the way and leaving Lorca to continue his business without opposition and without someone who could hold power over him.
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She's not going to die, it dawned on me that she will likely meet Harry Mudd and it would be great revenge on Lorca for Harry Mudd to help Admiral Cornwell to get free, he did promise revenge on Captain Lorca.
Y cant the klingons have a d7 class battlecruiser and a d7 class freighter, and a d7 class scout? Would be like having a escort salon. Escort sport and a escort 5 door car.
There was only one type of D7
What we saw on Discovery, was not a D7.
No there's two. The battlecruiser in VGR was identified as a D7 as was this prison ship. The TOS cruiser has only indirectly been referred to by a name and that was Kors comment about an old D5 in reference to the ship he has in TAS. Making the D5 a reference to the TOS battlecruiser and to two ship classes in ENT.
In addition the B'rel and K'vort have been identified as such by Klingons with the Federation making reference to the D12 (similarly the BoP in ID was a D4) suggesting the 'Dx' is a Federation designation and the numbering system relates to class hence the old BoP being a D12 despite being the same age as the D7 (first seen in TMP) and the D4 BoP not being anything to do with the Battlecruisers.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
For what it's worth, what they did with Sarek in this episode was actually a really cool use of a really bad character and her really bad retcon relationship to him. I found it interesting to see Sarek's interest in humans, to the point he married more than one and adopted another, lead him to a situation in which his character was actually expanded upon in a good way. Not to mention, Matrix fights aside, the visuals on Vulcan were really good, and intro aside, would have looked right at home in any older Prime Trek show.
Funny, I watched "The Tholian Web" last night. Chekov asks Spock if there has ever been a mutiny on a starship. Spock says there is no known record of one. Um, Burnham... Just saying.
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Also she didn't start the whole 'hey let's be intimate'-thing at all.
She didn't say no either.
Let me start by saying there was no sexual harrassment on her part. That's silly. Still, if you've been evaluating someone's command, and have doubts as to their ability to function properly, and are even contemplating taking their command away if need be, then sleeping with them is simply a rather poor judgement call.
Funny, I watched "The Tholian Web" last night. Chekov asks Spock if there has ever been a mutiny on a starship. Spock says there is no known record of one. Um, Burnham... Just saying.
Funny, I watched "The Tholian Web" last night. Chekov asks Spock if there has ever been a mutiny on a starship. Spock says there is no known record of one. Um, Burnham... Just saying.
Presumably he dosn't want to bring her up. His adopted sister is Starfleets first mutineer. That's not really something I can see the closed off Spock revealing.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's oinking stupid, but in a good-to-riff way. It's trying to melt the signature of almost every pop culturally succesful television and movie thing together into CBS new show while name-dropping Star Trek trivia left and right. It's brilliantly silly xD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
It's oinking stupid, but in a good-to-riff way. It's trying to melt the signature of almost every pop culturally succesful television and movie thing together into CBS new show while name-dropping Star Trek trivia left and right. It's brilliantly silly xD
Are you talking about Star Trek: Discovery or Young Sheldon?
It probably works two ways. But Sheldon at least is a original creation (I stopped watching TBBT four seasons or so ago, though). Discovery is simply CBS saying "you guys make me Game of Thrones. I want a super profitable modern show as well. Here's an old dusty franchise I found in the basement, make that go ka-ching!". Watching Discovery playing "modern tv bullshiit" bingo is somewhat fun.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Presumably he dosn't want to bring her up. His adopted sister is Starfleets first mutineer. That's not really something I can see the closed off Spock revealing.
Her record could also be officially expunged at a later date as well.
I've long held the idea that Burnham was played into the role, probably unknownly manipulated to end up being cashiered out of the service so Lorca could then get her to himself, he wanted the best he could find and Burnham's science abilities are obviously enough to catch Lorca's attention. With the way he goes about dealing with his superiors and those around him, he has the ability to effect change in Starfleet and reach out to the Shenzhou.
I wouldn't put it past Lorca if he nudged the Klingon T'Kuvma to attack and knew the Shenzhou was in the area, knowing how Burnham would feel and act about the Klingons, especially with her Vulcan upbringing and what the Klingons did. This way he gets his war, he gets Burnham and the Shenzhou's crew while having the ability to operate more or less independently from Starfleet when needed and when a political situation comes up, Lorca waits on Starfleet so he can drag his feet.
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There was only one type of D7
What we saw on Discovery, was not a D7.
It was not looking like the D7 used to look, but as it was identified *as* a D7. This means that in the narrative of the show, it *is* a D7. It's the second klingon ship that has been identified with terminology we are familiar with (the first being the bird of prey).
Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
I think this conversation comes to mind......
While amusing, it's totally wrong in the context. You are mistaking a visual redesign in reimagined fiction for a "lie", not fruits that actually exist in nature. Meaning you might be taking something a little too serious here.
You have a franchise and two installments. The newer installment calls out two familiar terms from the other, much older installment in proper context (D7-class battlecruiser in this case) and shows you a fictional starship. No matter how it looks, to the show this is a D7-class battlecruiser. You don't accept that, but it's still just (reimagined) fiction.
The phrase "alternative facts" comes to mind. When they said that Discovery was Trek for a new era, they were right. Everyone just forgot how terrible an era we live in.
You mean living in fear of a possible nuclear attack during the sixties and beyond was good times?
No, I mean the casual, brazen lies and constant gaslighting that have just become a part of everyday life.
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> Keep in mind these could be early models and klingons don't necessarily have to invent new names for new shiptypes that do the same thing.
Except with ENT, we had the Raptor class and the D5 class battlecruiser, that also had a tanker version. (To be fair it was Archer who called Raptor that, though it did had at least 6 photon torp tubes/ports.)
As for the episode's plot: I do enjoy tragedies; especially ironic ones.
Today you have constant warfare, big brother spying policy, false flag attacks, few rights and privacy, and folks who blame the opposite sides(conservatives blaming liberals, liberals blaming conservatives...rather than working together and getting rid of the real problem, the real trouble makers, special interest) rather than the ones pulling the strings, and a world where there seems to be no resources available to help folks out....yet plenty available for more warfare and killing. Seemingly to be more comfortable blaming it all on incompetent clowns who don't know what they are doing, rather than even considering it's all planned because a population that's been made poor, sick and dumb is easier to control than one that is smart, healthy and strong and happy. And I really don't feel free, and.....to me, it's the 1960's all over again, now, and the dial's cranked up.
Now, back to the show, I sure as hell would be looking for the nearest escape pod, or ask for a transfer to another ship, like the Enterprise, because this captain I'd have no faith in, and I'd hope to get away before becoming a disposable utility for him.
His ship was named Buran, most likely named after the russian version of the space shuttle. While superficially almost identical to the NASA-shuttle, the Buran had a more advanced (and much much safer) lifting-system. It also was built with unmanned flights in mind, the only test-flight happened on auto-pilot (with impressive precision despite bad weather-conditions on the way back). The NASA-shuttle wasn't able to do that.
I know what we have today, and I kinda disagree with you here. America riding the terrorism-horse to death worked like ten years ago, but overall, people seem to pretty much ignore the threats around them until something happens really close to where they live. And it makes sense in a way, because ain't nobody got time to fear terrorists when they need to pay their rents and get through their lives.
I'm not going any deeper here, as we're discussing fiction.
Seriously they should rename her Admiral Weinstein.
It's a shocking theme to TRIBBLE, woman in power taking advantage of those under their power.
First the Warden Captain and now Admiral "Weinstein" (I'm guessing you guys get the reference).
That's a weird conclusion tbh. I didn't get that impression on any of the female superiors. Georgiou tried her best to help Burnham getting used to the human world after leaving Vulcan and even set her up for promotion, and admiral Cornwell was genuinely worried about Lorca up to the point when she accidentally woke him up. That moment shocked her and made her realize that Lorca fooled the people that kept him in the command-chair after the Buran-incident. Now she didn't only worry about a friend, but also about an unpredictable commanding officer, a walking time-bomb.
She implied to get him out of the command-chair and he plead for not taking it away from him, leaving her to make the compromise that for the rest of the war he can stay on Discovery as captain, but after that he'd have to go into rehabilitation, announcing further talks about this. Somebody who is not actually a friend would have NOT made this sort of compromise here. An objective admiral would have just relieved Lorca of command rightaway and appointed Saru the acting captain for the time being.
She didn't "threaten" him at all, and before he jumped her with a phaser out of reflex, she simply repeatedly expressed concerns about what happens on Discovery. And those concerns come from SFC directly. She didn't point at what SHE might do, but at what Starfleet might decide. She started actively telling him what she's gonna do AFTER he almost attacked her.
Also she didn't start the whole 'hey let's be intimate'-thing at all.
If you push that on further, Lorca would conclude that Cornwell is a threat to his goals and his agenda and someone as unpredictable as Lorca wouldn't have any reservations about not rescuing Cornwell from the Klingons if it meant getting her out the way and leaving Lorca to continue his business without opposition and without someone who could hold power over him.
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No there's two. The battlecruiser in VGR was identified as a D7 as was this prison ship. The TOS cruiser has only indirectly been referred to by a name and that was Kors comment about an old D5 in reference to the ship he has in TAS. Making the D5 a reference to the TOS battlecruiser and to two ship classes in ENT.
In addition the B'rel and K'vort have been identified as such by Klingons with the Federation making reference to the D12 (similarly the BoP in ID was a D4) suggesting the 'Dx' is a Federation designation and the numbering system relates to class hence the old BoP being a D12 despite being the same age as the D7 (first seen in TMP) and the D4 BoP not being anything to do with the Battlecruisers.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Let me start by saying there was no sexual harrassment on her part. That's silly. Still, if you've been evaluating someone's command, and have doubts as to their ability to function properly, and are even contemplating taking their command away if need be, then sleeping with them is simply a rather poor judgement call.
Vulcons don't lie: they 'exaggerate.'
Presumably he dosn't want to bring her up. His adopted sister is Starfleets first mutineer. That's not really something I can see the closed off Spock revealing.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I've long held the idea that Burnham was played into the role, probably unknownly manipulated to end up being cashiered out of the service so Lorca could then get her to himself, he wanted the best he could find and Burnham's science abilities are obviously enough to catch Lorca's attention. With the way he goes about dealing with his superiors and those around him, he has the ability to effect change in Starfleet and reach out to the Shenzhou.
I wouldn't put it past Lorca if he nudged the Klingon T'Kuvma to attack and knew the Shenzhou was in the area, knowing how Burnham would feel and act about the Klingons, especially with her Vulcan upbringing and what the Klingons did. This way he gets his war, he gets Burnham and the Shenzhou's crew while having the ability to operate more or less independently from Starfleet when needed and when a political situation comes up, Lorca waits on Starfleet so he can drag his feet.
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