I wonder if people lost their minds like this when they saw klingons with head ridges for the first time.
I am sure some did, but they didn't the use of the internet to complain about it globally. Probably had to go to the yearly SF convention to complain about it to people they didn't know.
I know that I never experienced such complaints at the time due to being a little kid at the time and no one in my family interested in Star Trek.
The Klingon name for it is K't'inga. That's the ship in the VGR episode Paris refers to as a D7. The TOS battle-cruisers aren't identified as anything onscreen beyond battlecruisers (if even that). Not D7s and nothing else.
'D7' was said onscreen. 'K't'inga' has not been said on screen. So technically, 'D7' is more accurate than 'K't'inga'.
The cruisers in TOS look just like the ones in DS9 and VOY. Not sure why you are splitting hairs here. 'D7', warship, battlecruiser, 'D5'. All the same ship, as far as what we see on screen.
Anyway my original point was that the D7 Prison ship from DSC is not meant to be the same D7 Battlecruiser from TOS.
I'm fairly certain that is the crux of the issue. You seem to have hit the nail on the head.
I can only assume that the 'designation' system they use in the Discovery-era is meaningless. Might as well call them 'DH122's or something. Just random letters and numbers that blur with the other forgettable technobable. Starting to wonder how beer fermented with 'quantum entangled' yeast tastes like.
The cruisers in TOS look just like the ones in DS9 and VOY. Not sure why you are splitting hairs here. 'D7', warship, battlecruiser, 'D5'. All the same ship, as far as what we see on screen.
Come to think of it, you're correct. I had assumed K't'inga was mentioned in DS9 like Vor'Cha and Negh'var.
I can only assume that the 'designation' system they use in the Discovery-era is meaningless. Might as well call them 'DH122's or something. Just random letters and numbers that blur with the other forgettable technobable. Starting to wonder how beer fermented with 'quantum entangled' yeast tastes like.
Or D designates a Klingon ship and 7 is a size class. Compared to the shuttle the prison ship looks about the same size as the Klingon Warbird/battlecruiser.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The cruisers in TOS look just like the ones in DS9 and VOY. Not sure why you are splitting hairs here. 'D7', warship, battlecruiser, 'D5'. All the same ship, as far as what we see on screen.
Come to think of it, you're correct. I had assumed K't'inga was mentioned in DS9 like Vor'Cha and Negh'var.
The name comes from the scripts actually. So it's not a thing fans made up.
> @trennan said: > markhawkman wrote: » > > redvenge wrote: » > > markhawkman wrote: » > > Yeah, but it's not the proper name of the ship class. Unless you think the Klingons named it D7... > > > > I think the Klingons named it a D7. Since the Klingons don't really talk about it on the shows, I assume they are unimaginative. This impression is reinforced by using the B'rel class for 100 years or so. > > Conversely, you could assume it was what Starfleet identified ship as some shorthand of what Klingons called it. You could also assume the name was the result of a Starfleet designation system independent of what the Klingons called it. Regardless, someone on a Starfleet vessel labeled it a "D7". On screen. Which was the point of my post. > > > > Yeah... and those designations don't really mean much from an in-universe standpoint. Two different things got designated D5. > > > > > The D5 and D7 things would be more of a series designation. i.e the M16-A1, M16-A2, M16-A3 and M16-A4. The same goes with tanks, M1-A1, M1-A2, M1-A3 and M1-A4. Granted I don't think this Abrahms has made it this far in the series. > > Using that for this.. it would be Bird-of-Prey, D5 or D7.
I'm not even trying to think of excuses for the Discovery D7.. it just plain isn't. I didn't really care too much about the Klingons thats.. ok-ish, but they gone and screwed up an established ship design ij the universe it belongs in. If it was another ship they shoulda called it as such.. D6, D3, whatever. I've been saying even JJ didn't mess up the D7.. it remained largely unchanged minus it's bearded look. But even that just looks like texturing.
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I'm not even trying to think of excuses for the Discovery D7.. it just plain isn't. I didn't really care too much about the Klingons thats.. ok-ish, but they gone and screwed up an established ship design ij the universe it belongs in. If it was another ship they shoulda called it as such.. D6, D3, whatever. I've been saying even JJ didn't mess up the D7.. it remained largely unchanged minus it's bearded look. But even that just looks like texturing.
Again. They haven't changed anything. This is a different ship from the battlecruiser. It's a prison ship. It's not that complicated.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It looks like the new trek show is very popular and has been renewed for a second season.
lets get those super klingons in sto to celebrate!
These super klingons move slowly and awkwardly, can't run, jump, twist rapidly or execute martial arts moves. They would likely die from a good stiff punch to the face, given their cranial design, i.e. all the channels that allow for the extra nostrils and "extrasensory organs." Biologically, this describes a prey animal, more than a predator. Because a predator would weed out the slow, awkward prey that can't run, jump, or defend itself, and have it for dinner.
These are not super klingons. Nor are they anywhere near an "apex predator." With all of that, the only time super should be used to describe them, is in the word superfluous.
But, I still would not have a problem with them adding the appearance to the game, as long as it is an optional appearance option.
As a side note:
Let's take a moment to also take a look at the prison ship. The main thing to note here is the word "prison." This makes the ships a penitentiary, or was one of these.
This means that the Discovery Klingons were locked away for something. Or their ancestors were. In either case, the word "prison" means that for some reason the Empire decided they needed to be locked up. Perhaps we're looking at the origins of House Duras or Torg here.
This means that the Discovery Klingons were locked away for something. Or their ancestors were. In either case, the word "prison" means that for some reason the Empire decided they needed to be locked up. Perhaps we're looking at the origins of House Duras or Torg here.
An ancestor of Duras by the name of Duras (creative writing!) already had a history with a certain bunch of humans and a vulcan (or romulan), doing what house Duras does best. He ended up pretty dead if memory serves.
I myself admit I not like what they did to the Klingon's... despite thinking the makeup looks amazing... would rather have just had vastly different uniforms in that time period. I don't know if the executive producers or writers to Discovery even plan to explain how Klingons looked on Enterprise like then did in Khan (Movie) and TNG prior to the Augments being largely introduced shortly there after in ToS.
Still I'd love to see another available option for Klingon's even if it meant being able to mix in Discovery Klingon outfit's partially or in full as another viable alternative.
I'd really LOVE to see is Romulan REP getting an Republic 3 piece ground set with Republic Tactical Armor; or an alternative set available for Allies with different tailor unlocks.
i.e. all the channels that allow for the extra nostrils and "extrasensory organs."
They still do not have an extra set of nostrils. It's still only one with slightly heaver ridged folds around them on some of them.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Look at the front half of this skull. Then entire front half of it is weak. this is doubly so around the eye, nostril and forehead ridge area. All those holes do nothing but weaken the skulls structural integrity. Add to this the space between the frontal and occipital bones( forehead and back of the skull.) The lower left picture shows this. The entire front half of this skull is weak. They could literally crush their own skull from tripping and falling on their face.
In a society that leans heavily on the melee combat. This makes them nothing more than the easiest to kill.
Whoever designed this, while they're excellent for making it look good, apparently doesn't understand basic biology and structural integrity.
Look at the front half of this skull. Then entire front half of it is weak. this is doubly so around the eye, nostril and forehead ridge area. All those holes do nothing but weaken the skulls structural integrity. Add to this the space between the frontal and occipital bones( forehead and back of the skull.) The lower left picture shows this. The entire front half of this skull is weak. They could literally crush their own skull from tripping and falling on their face.
In a society that leans heavily on the melee combat. This makes them nothing more than the easiest to kill.
Whoever designed this, while they're excellent for making it look good, apparently doesn't understand basic biology and structural integrity.
Sure, but those skulls are not canon. They're concept are that haven't been shown on the show itself. Until a Klingon skeleton is shown on the show itself the insides of their heads looks like whatever you want it to be.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Look at the front half of this skull. Then entire front half of it is weak. this is doubly so around the eye, nostril and forehead ridge area. All those holes do nothing but weaken the skulls structural integrity. Add to this the space between the frontal and occipital bones( forehead and back of the skull.) The lower left picture shows this. The entire front half of this skull is weak. They could literally crush their own skull from tripping and falling on their face.
In a society that leans heavily on the melee combat. This makes them nothing more than the easiest to kill.
Whoever designed this, while they're excellent for making it look good, apparently doesn't understand basic biology and structural integrity.
Sure, but those skulls are not canon. They're concept are that haven't been shown on the show itself. Until a Klingon skeleton is shown on the show itself the insides of their heads looks like whatever you want it to be.
excuse me for pointing it out to a fan, but there's one in Lorca's office on Discovery, or rather, his 'collection', they made the model, previewed it at ST:LV and then added it as a prop on the show (episode 3).
Wait, a Starfleet Officer has the skull of a sentient being in his office and most likely not for educational purposes?
And to think Patrick Stewart once pointed out having a fish in an aquarium didn't fit the Federation mentality and "felt that it was inappropriate to have a captive animal in a series that valued the dignity of different species"... cue 2017 and Starfleet captains, even when supposedly only morally ambiguous, can have Predator-style of trophies!
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Look at the front half of this skull. Then entire front half of it is weak. this is doubly so around the eye, nostril and forehead ridge area. All those holes do nothing but weaken the skulls structural integrity. Add to this the space between the frontal and occipital bones( forehead and back of the skull.) The lower left picture shows this. The entire front half of this skull is weak. They could literally crush their own skull from tripping and falling on their face.
In a society that leans heavily on the melee combat. This makes them nothing more than the easiest to kill.
Whoever designed this, while they're excellent for making it look good, apparently doesn't understand basic biology and structural integrity.
Sure, but those skulls are not canon. They're concept are that haven't been shown on the show itself. Until a Klingon skeleton is shown on the show itself the insides of their heads looks like whatever you want it to be.
excuse me for pointing it out to a fan, but there's one in Lorca's office on Discovery, or rather, his 'collection', they made the model, previewed it at ST:LV and then added it as a prop on the show (episode 3).
I'm still hiding your posts but since saurializard quoted you I ended up seeing it any way.
Lorca has a skull. It is not a Klingon skull until it is identified as such in the show. Until then it remains like every other bit of concept art or products that are reused in the show, namely, unidentified until identified. Klingon skulls remain a mystery in terms of their structure.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I am sure some did, but they didn't the use of the internet to complain about it globally. Probably had to go to the yearly SF convention to complain about it to people they didn't know.
I know that I never experienced such complaints at the time due to being a little kid at the time and no one in my family interested in Star Trek.
The cruisers in TOS look just like the ones in DS9 and VOY. Not sure why you are splitting hairs here. 'D7', warship, battlecruiser, 'D5'. All the same ship, as far as what we see on screen.
I'm fairly certain that is the crux of the issue. You seem to have hit the nail on the head.
I can only assume that the 'designation' system they use in the Discovery-era is meaningless. Might as well call them 'DH122's or something. Just random letters and numbers that blur with the other forgettable technobable. Starting to wonder how beer fermented with 'quantum entangled' yeast tastes like.
Come to think of it, you're correct. I had assumed K't'inga was mentioned in DS9 like Vor'Cha and Negh'var.
Or D designates a Klingon ship and 7 is a size class. Compared to the shuttle the prison ship looks about the same size as the Klingon Warbird/battlecruiser.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> markhawkman wrote: »
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> redvenge wrote: »
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> markhawkman wrote: »
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> Yeah, but it's not the proper name of the ship class. Unless you think the Klingons named it D7...
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> I think the Klingons named it a D7. Since the Klingons don't really talk about it on the shows, I assume they are unimaginative. This impression is reinforced by using the B'rel class for 100 years or so.
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> Conversely, you could assume it was what Starfleet identified ship as some shorthand of what Klingons called it. You could also assume the name was the result of a Starfleet designation system independent of what the Klingons called it. Regardless, someone on a Starfleet vessel labeled it a "D7". On screen. Which was the point of my post.
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> Using that for this.. it would be Bird-of-Prey, D5 or D7.
I'm not even trying to think of excuses for the Discovery D7.. it just plain isn't. I didn't really care too much about the Klingons thats.. ok-ish, but they gone and screwed up an established ship design ij the universe it belongs in. If it was another ship they shoulda called it as such.. D6, D3, whatever. I've been saying even JJ didn't mess up the D7.. it remained largely unchanged minus it's bearded look. But even that just looks like texturing.
Again. They haven't changed anything. This is a different ship from the battlecruiser. It's a prison ship. It's not that complicated.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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These super klingons move slowly and awkwardly, can't run, jump, twist rapidly or execute martial arts moves. They would likely die from a good stiff punch to the face, given their cranial design, i.e. all the channels that allow for the extra nostrils and "extrasensory organs." Biologically, this describes a prey animal, more than a predator. Because a predator would weed out the slow, awkward prey that can't run, jump, or defend itself, and have it for dinner.
These are not super klingons. Nor are they anywhere near an "apex predator." With all of that, the only time super should be used to describe them, is in the word superfluous.
But, I still would not have a problem with them adding the appearance to the game, as long as it is an optional appearance option.
As a side note:
Let's take a moment to also take a look at the prison ship. The main thing to note here is the word "prison." This makes the ships a penitentiary, or was one of these.
This means that the Discovery Klingons were locked away for something. Or their ancestors were. In either case, the word "prison" means that for some reason the Empire decided they needed to be locked up. Perhaps we're looking at the origins of House Duras or Torg here.
An ancestor of Duras by the name of Duras (creative writing!) already had a history with a certain bunch of humans and a vulcan (or romulan), doing what house Duras does best. He ended up pretty dead if memory serves.
Still I'd love to see another available option for Klingon's even if it meant being able to mix in Discovery Klingon outfit's partially or in full as another viable alternative.
I'd really LOVE to see is Romulan REP getting an Republic 3 piece ground set with Republic Tactical Armor; or an alternative set available for Allies with different tailor unlocks.
They still do not have an extra set of nostrils. It's still only one with slightly heaver ridged folds around them on some of them.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Good point. But the rest of it makes sense.
Here lets look at the skulls for these klingons, so that others can understand what I meant.
Look at the front half of this skull. Then entire front half of it is weak. this is doubly so around the eye, nostril and forehead ridge area. All those holes do nothing but weaken the skulls structural integrity. Add to this the space between the frontal and occipital bones( forehead and back of the skull.) The lower left picture shows this. The entire front half of this skull is weak. They could literally crush their own skull from tripping and falling on their face.
In a society that leans heavily on the melee combat. This makes them nothing more than the easiest to kill.
Whoever designed this, while they're excellent for making it look good, apparently doesn't understand basic biology and structural integrity.
Sure, but those skulls are not canon. They're concept are that haven't been shown on the show itself. Until a Klingon skeleton is shown on the show itself the insides of their heads looks like whatever you want it to be.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'm still hiding your posts but since saurializard quoted you I ended up seeing it any way.
Lorca has a skull. It is not a Klingon skull until it is identified as such in the show. Until then it remains like every other bit of concept art or products that are reused in the show, namely, unidentified until identified. Klingon skulls remain a mystery in terms of their structure.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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