How did the "old" ui work? I don't remember. I 've only played a few months since 2010 here and there.
It WORKED.
That's all you really need to know. It wasn't pretty, was a bit messy looking even. But it all worked fine and everyone knew what they were doing and what was going on.
If you want complaints to be taken seriously then take the effort to write them correctly.
You get out what you put in.
Why don't you just take your dammed attitude elsewhere? If all you have to complain about is a minor grammatical error in a thread title then i have to wonder what part of your life is being made complete by going on about it here constantly and derailing the thread at every opportunity?
Not a single person who has posted in this thread has any problem understanding what the issue being discussed is, nor has anyone else suggested the OP was poorly worded, written or out of line in any way. It mirrors the sentiment of the vast majority of the players here and it's pretty dammed clear to everyone that it's a valid concern, whether the exact grammar, spelling or choice of vocabulary is used.
Get off your grammar high horse and post something constructive for the topic at hand, or are we to assume you wish to derail this thread because to disagree with the sentiment here? Do you secretly love the UI and think it brings something to the game?
Come on, lets see something on-topic from you for a change....
Why don't you just take your dammed attitude elsewhere? If all you have to complain about is a minor grammatical error in a thread title then i have to wonder what part of your life is being made complete by going on about it here constantly and derailing the thread at every opportunity?...
Friends, you're being trolled. It's always better just to ignore the trolls and not engage with them, it's not worth the time. Plus they WANT you to be upset and flustered.
You have legitimate points, the queue problem is undeniable though the severity is debatable without hard numbers, just don't get side-tracked or provoked by internet trolls.
I seem to remember hearing that the reason they couldn't roll back to the old UI was that the new one was involved with the new player matching system, I forget the name of it now.
Powercreep and Easy Mode are the two things that will kill any game.
Normally I would agree with you, but I do not think the typical STO player is in this game for any sort of challenge. If players really wanted a challenge, then why aren't the space Elites being filled? One might argue that S13 also introduced new challenges to the game with the rollback of some of the powercreep. What did that result to again?
The queues have failed, because they went to a more pure reliance on DPS, than teamwork.
I'd love more teamwork... but when the simplest of tasks get failed in queues, do you think the average STO players would survive that? I don't think so. They'd move to DOffing, admiralty and do fleet actions much in the same way as you are doing right now.
Queues that aren't reliant on DPS aren't getting filled either. Stuff like Gravity Kills or Days of Doom (which I find fun btw) aren't getting filled and both have very minimal DPS requirements but require more teamwork. When you look at which maps are actually being played, most if not all of them are straight-up shoot-em-up (DPS) maps like KSA, CSA, ISA and CCA.
As much as players like you or me would want some nice challenges in the game, the players here want easy rewards. That much is evident when I posted my Admiralty Thread (which was a way to test the waters too). This queue UI is only a part of the problem with queues in general.
I think holding up STO to gamer standards like you would on more gamer-centric games like WoW won't work. We are simply dealing with a different type of playerbase.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Powercreep and Easy Mode are the two things that will kill any game.
Normally I would agree with you, but I do not think the typical STO player is in this game for any sort of challenge. If players really wanted a challenge, then why aren't the space Elites being filled? One might argue that S13 also introduced new challenges to the game with the rollback of some of the powercreep. What did that result to again?
The queues have failed, because they went to a more pure reliance on DPS, than teamwork.
I'd love more teamwork... but when the simplest of tasks get failed in queues, do you think the average STO players would survive that? I don't think so. They'd move to DOffing, admiralty and do fleet actions much in the same way as you are doing right now.
Queues that aren't reliant on DPS aren't getting filled either. Stuff like Gravity Kills or Days of Doom (which I find fun btw) aren't getting filled and both have very minimal DPS requirements but require more teamwork. When you look at which maps are actually being played, most if not all of them are straight-up shoot-em-up (DPS) maps like KSA, CSA, ISA and CCA.
As much as players like you or me would want some nice challenges in the game, the players here want easy rewards. That much is evident when I posted my Admiralty Thread (which was a way to test the waters too). This queue UI is only a part of the problem with queues in general.
I think holding up STO to gamer standards like you would on more gamer-centric games like WoW won't work. We are simply dealing with a different type of playerbase.
The main problem with the ques, is that dilithium is to easy to get outside of them. While I agree, more teamwork oriented STFs would be great to have. Like a return ISE, IGE, KVE, KSE, CSE, and CGE, the old borg Elites that where teamwork heavy. Yes, I also know they were removed for being "to buggy." I don't know how many times my poor T4 Patrol Escort died to invisible torpedoes and such, but I've completed all of them. As have many other that worked together to complete them.
The Competitive maps are a good example here. They're not purely reliant on DPS. It does play a part in it, but you have to work as a team in order to accomplish the objectives. Which means they aren't very popular, because you can't solo-grandstand them.
But this is only one of the many issues out there. Another is for the accolade hunters. A lot of these have been locked out due to reputations, i.e. the old Mk X gear accolades. I'd fix this by making the Mk X and Mk XI gear VR drops from the Borg STFs. Space battle for space gear. Ground battles for gear. This would be how I'd re-introduce the old Elites. That and they aren't drops in the Defera BZ.
Another issue here is the Red Alerts. Since the sector space revamp, these all spawn in the same spot. Which is why you can't complete the Defender of _______ accolades.
Right now, these are some of the things, outside of the new UI, that are running players off. As I said, the new UI isn't the primary cause of it. More the final nail in the coffin.
The admiralty system rewards way too much dilithium etc for bugger all involvement and combined with doffing has turned a large part of what people consider "content" into little more than a glorified browser game.
Balance changes have altered how some mechanics work and how some people perceive the effectiveness of their builds.
The queue UI is pissing off and endless stream of players who cannot be bothered to fight with it just to play content to test builds, or for fun.
The rewards for queues or really the vast majority of content is so out of whack it makes it look like a Pakled designed the loot tables. This in turn makes some queues get ignored in favour of the quick buck.
You don't actually have to run any reputation specific content either, you can literally do Red Alerts all day and get everything you need, even the elite marks. Why even bother with different marks? In fact why not just give every player a timer than runs out in 40 days and auto-unlocks the whole rep?
An awful lot of players have such a vast sense of entitlement that they cannot comprehend actually working for rewards these days. The people who whine about having to do things on multiple toons to get rewards, of having to do a 14 day event to get a doohickey. Some people are so used to getting given things for little effort they expect the whole game to revolve around that frame of mind.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
And people wonder why the player numbers are going down or queues don't pop or battlezones are dead barren wastelands.....
The admiralty system rewards way too much dilithium etc for bugger all involvement and combined with doffing has turned a large part of what people consider "content" into little more than a glorified browser game.
Balance changes have altered how some mechanics work and how some people perceive the effectiveness of their builds.
The queue UI is pissing off and endless stream of players who cannot be bothered to fight with it just to play content to test builds, or for fun.
The rewards for queues or really the vast majority of content is so out of whack it makes it look like a Pakled designed the loot tables. This in turn makes some queues get ignored in favour of the quick buck.
You don't actually have to run any reputation specific content either, you can literally do Red Alerts all day and get everything you need, even the elite marks. Why even bother with different marks? In fact why not just give every player a timer than runs out in 40 days and auto-unlocks the whole rep?
An awful lot of players have such a vast sense of entitlement that they cannot comprehend actually working for rewards these days. The people who whine about having to do things on multiple toons to get rewards, of having to do a 14 day event to get a doohickey. Some people are so used to getting given things for little effort they expect the who game to revolve around that frame of mind.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
And people wonder why the player numbers are going down or queues don't pop or battlezones are dead barren wastelands.....
You, sir, have hit the nail square on the head. It's been a problem I've been thinking about since they first put reps in and I saw the path that it was going. I've even made a few suggestions about decreasing the dilithum rewards over the years as well.
The content itself, there isn't anything I can do about that. It is, what it is. We can just figure out how to work with it from there.
I also do tool around in the foundry. As I said, I would enjoy being able to build and actual STF. But they have us limited to the number of enemy encounters we can use per map. Where as Cryptic can build an STF, with unlimited spawns. If I wanted to build one that would last for more than 10 minutes. I'd have to use 2+ maps. Which is not a bad thing, it would give it more of a progression feel, having to progress thusly to the next area. But then I have to worry about other limitations, such as storyboard(dialogues), interactions, spawn and respawn points. Which are limited to how many you can use per mission.
I have a short one built, single map, in the foundry KDF side. It is a full custom map, that was my learning bed for piece placement. I need to go back and add details to it. But other than that, it's there. Of course, I might need to republish it, just to make sure it's up-to-date.
Edit:
Since i almost forgot to put this in. Currently with how thing are. I've lost my motivation for both playing the game and working in the foundry. I haven't quit, just haven't found a reason to keep moving forward. The foundry part here, is more about how I can make if fun for the players. But this is just me thinking about it as I make the mission.
The admiralty system rewards way too much dilithium etc for bugger all involvement and combined with doffing has turned a large part of what people consider "content" into little more than a glorified browser game.
The real problem with that is everything in the game has only dilithium (or something you convert into dilithium) for reward and since it's capped diminishing returns are inevitable.
You can't run a game this big without rewards differentiation. You just can't.
Balance changes have altered how some mechanics work and how some people perceive the effectiveness of their builds.
The queue UI is pissing off and endless stream of players who cannot be bothered to fight with it just to play content to test builds, or for fun.
Right. I barely bother queueing for CCA or an alert if there's some quick endeavor to grab for free peanuts. Otherwise it's just events. The clunky and unreliable UI and empty queues are not worth waiting for.
The rewards for queues or really the vast majority of content is so out of whack it makes it look like a Pakled designed the loot tables. This in turn makes some queues get ignored in favour of the quick buck.
You don't actually have to run any reputation specific content either, you can literally do Red Alerts all day and get everything you need, even the elite marks. Why even bother with different marks? In fact why not just give every player a timer than runs out in 40 days and auto-unlocks the whole rep?
Because then people wouldn't have to log in every day for the metrics, duh.
But yeah, choice marks and the elite mark conversion have totally ruined what remained of rewards differentiation.
An awful lot of players have such a vast sense of entitlement that they cannot comprehend actually working for rewards these days. The people who whine about having to do things on multiple toons to get rewards, of having to do a 14 day event to get a doohickey. Some people are so used to getting given things for little effort they expect the who game to revolve around that frame of mind.
And then they complain even when they get stuff for free, like that the free shuttle needs...(oh, the horror!) a ship slot to claim.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
That is what the majority of the players want, though. People don't seem to want puzzles or anything that requires even the least bit of thinking. Just remember last year with the temporal recruit people were complaining the probe puzzles were "too hard"...first-grade math and spotting words with a letter or two missing.
I seem to remember hearing that the reason they couldn't roll back to the old UI was that the new one was involved with the new player matching system, I forget the name of it now.
You know, the one they didn't turn on for ages.
Then only turned on for the competitive queues.
That no-one plays any more.
And didn't seem to work anyway.
Yeah, that system was a bad joke.
I suppose, they can leave the clunker for the comp queues and let us use the good old system for all the others, then.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
That is what the majority of the players want, though. People don't seem to want puzzles or anything that requires even the least bit of thinking. Just remember last year with the temporal recruit people were complaining the probe puzzles were "too hard"...first-grade math and spotting words with a letter or two missing.
Yeah sadly you are bang on about people whining about simple puzzles. That is truly sad in a game that should be about more than just shooting mindless NPC zerg-rushes.
But i recall that poll Cryptic did a while back and what came out on the top
EXPLORATION. Not DPS-fest killing sprees, or grind-fest events or event clickbait browser games hidden as content.
Actually I found @repetitiveepic 's lesson in English quite interesting this time. I would also have written 'less' so if it is not correct, then it's a lesson learned.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
That is what the majority of the players want, though. People don't seem to want puzzles or anything that requires even the least bit of thinking. Just remember last year with the temporal recruit people were complaining the probe puzzles were "too hard"...first-grade math and spotting words with a letter or two missing.
Yeah sadly you are bang on about people whining about simple puzzles. That is truly sad in a game that should be about more than just shooting mindless NPC zerg-rushes.
But i recall that poll Cryptic did a while back and what came out on the top
EXPLORATION. Not DPS-fest killing sprees, or grind-fest events or event clickbait browser games hidden as content.
But they were still working on exploration, weren't they? I remember that they said something about it a while ago.
Actually I found @repetitiveepic 's lesson in English quite interesting this time. I would also have written 'less' so if it is not correct, then it's a lesson learned.
And you can't learn enough things.
His lesson is incorrect as 1 is singular. 'Players' suggests more than one.
As I am referring to me the player as a singular then the title of the thread is correct
I guess it was a slow night and he needed to entertain himself due to boredom. Only thing incorrect in the title is using a capital P for player, but you know what ! I never cared for grammar correctors on internet forums. Whether its my threads or another persons.
Last i'm going to say on the matter as the thread was about me the singular 1 less player no longer using the PvE queues because its a broken pile of junk that should never have gone live.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
You are wrong, it's disgraceful to persist in error like this.
Ironically its exactly like them keeping the new queue UI.
If you want to know why they keep the bad queue UI, you need think no further than "why don't I correct my own mistakes?"
If you want to know why they don't listen to feedback, you need think no further than "why don't I listen to feedback?"
Why do you, in your oh so infinite wisdom, with your clearly better grasp of the English language, start a thread on the same subject mater but with the correct grammar and spelling in the title? Then you can show us plebs how to get their attention and get complaints and concerns listen to.
I strongly suspect that even your perfectly worded replies and thread openers would be ignored for the most part too.
So perhaps you could either get on board with the topic at hand and give the OP a break, or just get lost if all you intend to do is keep harassing the OP about his grammar. It's becoming tiresome seeing you trying to shove your trollish superiority complex down everyone's throats all day long.
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It WORKED.
That's all you really need to know. It wasn't pretty, was a bit messy looking even. But it all worked fine and everyone knew what they were doing and what was going on.
Why don't you just take your dammed attitude elsewhere? If all you have to complain about is a minor grammatical error in a thread title then i have to wonder what part of your life is being made complete by going on about it here constantly and derailing the thread at every opportunity?
Not a single person who has posted in this thread has any problem understanding what the issue being discussed is, nor has anyone else suggested the OP was poorly worded, written or out of line in any way. It mirrors the sentiment of the vast majority of the players here and it's pretty dammed clear to everyone that it's a valid concern, whether the exact grammar, spelling or choice of vocabulary is used.
Get off your grammar high horse and post something constructive for the topic at hand, or are we to assume you wish to derail this thread because to disagree with the sentiment here? Do you secretly love the UI and think it brings something to the game?
Come on, lets see something on-topic from you for a change....
Friends, you're being trolled. It's always better just to ignore the trolls and not engage with them, it's not worth the time. Plus they WANT you to be upset and flustered.
I recommend this handy field-spotters' guide to trolls: https://slideshare.net/CharityComms/please-dont-feed-the-trolls-keeping-your-reputation-spotless-conference-21-may-2014
You have legitimate points, the queue problem is undeniable though the severity is debatable without hard numbers, just don't get side-tracked or provoked by internet trolls.
You know, the one they didn't turn on for ages.
Then only turned on for the competitive queues.
That no-one plays any more.
And didn't seem to work anyway.
But I respawn
I am duranium!
Normally I would agree with you, but I do not think the typical STO player is in this game for any sort of challenge. If players really wanted a challenge, then why aren't the space Elites being filled? One might argue that S13 also introduced new challenges to the game with the rollback of some of the powercreep. What did that result to again?
I'd love more teamwork... but when the simplest of tasks get failed in queues, do you think the average STO players would survive that? I don't think so. They'd move to DOffing, admiralty and do fleet actions much in the same way as you are doing right now.
Queues that aren't reliant on DPS aren't getting filled either. Stuff like Gravity Kills or Days of Doom (which I find fun btw) aren't getting filled and both have very minimal DPS requirements but require more teamwork. When you look at which maps are actually being played, most if not all of them are straight-up shoot-em-up (DPS) maps like KSA, CSA, ISA and CCA.
As much as players like you or me would want some nice challenges in the game, the players here want easy rewards. That much is evident when I posted my Admiralty Thread (which was a way to test the waters too). This queue UI is only a part of the problem with queues in general.
I think holding up STO to gamer standards like you would on more gamer-centric games like WoW won't work. We are simply dealing with a different type of playerbase.
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Star Trek Online is a proper name so the abbreviation should be STO and not sto.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The main problem with the ques, is that dilithium is to easy to get outside of them. While I agree, more teamwork oriented STFs would be great to have. Like a return ISE, IGE, KVE, KSE, CSE, and CGE, the old borg Elites that where teamwork heavy. Yes, I also know they were removed for being "to buggy." I don't know how many times my poor T4 Patrol Escort died to invisible torpedoes and such, but I've completed all of them. As have many other that worked together to complete them.
The Competitive maps are a good example here. They're not purely reliant on DPS. It does play a part in it, but you have to work as a team in order to accomplish the objectives. Which means they aren't very popular, because you can't solo-grandstand them.
But this is only one of the many issues out there. Another is for the accolade hunters. A lot of these have been locked out due to reputations, i.e. the old Mk X gear accolades. I'd fix this by making the Mk X and Mk XI gear VR drops from the Borg STFs. Space battle for space gear. Ground battles for gear. This would be how I'd re-introduce the old Elites. That and they aren't drops in the Defera BZ.
Another issue here is the Red Alerts. Since the sector space revamp, these all spawn in the same spot. Which is why you can't complete the Defender of _______ accolades.
Right now, these are some of the things, outside of the new UI, that are running players off. As I said, the new UI isn't the primary cause of it. More the final nail in the coffin.
The admiralty system rewards way too much dilithium etc for bugger all involvement and combined with doffing has turned a large part of what people consider "content" into little more than a glorified browser game.
Balance changes have altered how some mechanics work and how some people perceive the effectiveness of their builds.
The queue UI is pissing off and endless stream of players who cannot be bothered to fight with it just to play content to test builds, or for fun.
The rewards for queues or really the vast majority of content is so out of whack it makes it look like a Pakled designed the loot tables. This in turn makes some queues get ignored in favour of the quick buck.
You don't actually have to run any reputation specific content either, you can literally do Red Alerts all day and get everything you need, even the elite marks. Why even bother with different marks? In fact why not just give every player a timer than runs out in 40 days and auto-unlocks the whole rep?
An awful lot of players have such a vast sense of entitlement that they cannot comprehend actually working for rewards these days. The people who whine about having to do things on multiple toons to get rewards, of having to do a 14 day event to get a doohickey. Some people are so used to getting given things for little effort they expect the whole game to revolve around that frame of mind.
The overwhelming majority of "endgame" content in STO is purely DPS based "kill everything as fast as you can" nonsense. There is the odd bit of text between fights but it is nearly all just an FPS with starships now. There's just nothing for anyone else to do apart from shoot stuff.
And people wonder why the player numbers are going down or queues don't pop or battlezones are dead barren wastelands.....
You, sir, have hit the nail square on the head. It's been a problem I've been thinking about since they first put reps in and I saw the path that it was going. I've even made a few suggestions about decreasing the dilithum rewards over the years as well.
The content itself, there isn't anything I can do about that. It is, what it is. We can just figure out how to work with it from there.
I also do tool around in the foundry. As I said, I would enjoy being able to build and actual STF. But they have us limited to the number of enemy encounters we can use per map. Where as Cryptic can build an STF, with unlimited spawns. If I wanted to build one that would last for more than 10 minutes. I'd have to use 2+ maps. Which is not a bad thing, it would give it more of a progression feel, having to progress thusly to the next area. But then I have to worry about other limitations, such as storyboard(dialogues), interactions, spawn and respawn points. Which are limited to how many you can use per mission.
I have a short one built, single map, in the foundry KDF side. It is a full custom map, that was my learning bed for piece placement. I need to go back and add details to it. But other than that, it's there. Of course, I might need to republish it, just to make sure it's up-to-date.
Edit:
Since i almost forgot to put this in. Currently with how thing are. I've lost my motivation for both playing the game and working in the foundry. I haven't quit, just haven't found a reason to keep moving forward. The foundry part here, is more about how I can make if fun for the players. But this is just me thinking about it as I make the mission.
You can't run a game this big without rewards differentiation. You just can't.
Right. I barely bother queueing for CCA or an alert if there's some quick endeavor to grab for free peanuts. Otherwise it's just events. The clunky and unreliable UI and empty queues are not worth waiting for.
Because then people wouldn't have to log in every day for the metrics, duh.
But yeah, choice marks and the elite mark conversion have totally ruined what remained of rewards differentiation.
And then they complain even when they get stuff for free, like that the free shuttle needs...(oh, the horror!) a ship slot to claim.
That is what the majority of the players want, though. People don't seem to want puzzles or anything that requires even the least bit of thinking. Just remember last year with the temporal recruit people were complaining the probe puzzles were "too hard"...first-grade math and spotting words with a letter or two missing.
I suppose, they can leave the clunker for the comp queues and let us use the good old system for all the others, then.
Yeah sadly you are bang on about people whining about simple puzzles. That is truly sad in a game that should be about more than just shooting mindless NPC zerg-rushes.
But i recall that poll Cryptic did a while back and what came out on the top
EXPLORATION. Not DPS-fest killing sprees, or grind-fest events or event clickbait browser games hidden as content.
And you can't learn enough things.
But they were still working on exploration, weren't they? I remember that they said something about it a while ago.
His lesson is incorrect as 1 is singular. 'Players' suggests more than one.
As I am referring to me the player as a singular then the title of the thread is correct
I guess it was a slow night and he needed to entertain himself due to boredom. Only thing incorrect in the title is using a capital P for player, but you know what ! I never cared for grammar correctors on internet forums. Whether its my threads or another persons.
Last i'm going to say on the matter as the thread was about me the singular 1 less player no longer using the PvE queues because its a broken pile of junk that should never have gone live.
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
Why do you, in your oh so infinite wisdom, with your clearly better grasp of the English language, start a thread on the same subject mater but with the correct grammar and spelling in the title? Then you can show us plebs how to get their attention and get complaints and concerns listen to.
I strongly suspect that even your perfectly worded replies and thread openers would be ignored for the most part too.
So perhaps you could either get on board with the topic at hand and give the OP a break, or just get lost if all you intend to do is keep harassing the OP about his grammar. It's becoming tiresome seeing you trying to shove your trollish superiority complex down everyone's throats all day long.