Overwhelming Force no longer trigger on non-High Yield Hyper Plasma torps -and other issues.

deathray38

Regular Romulan HyperPlasma destructible projectiles no longer trigger photonic shockwave. I don't know if it is intentional - It was one of very few ways of effectively utulizing this trait. BTW, regular (non-HY) torpedo tooltips still say "Applies Overwhelming Force to target".

More things:
- Photonic Shockwave was buffed few patches ago - and this buff wasn't applied to Overwhelming Force
- Charged Particles Burst got massive buff long time ago - And Overwhelming Force wasn't included in this buff

I know this Starship Trait is suppossed to apply "weaker" variants of regular abilities, but in it's current form, CPB variant is completely inferior - and not worth wasting trait slot in any case.

deathray38

One more thing:
- Photonic Aftershocks DOFF seems do not work with Overwhelming Force Photonic Shockwaves....

lopequil

I can confirm the regular hyper torpedos no longer trigger OF. They kept the fix quiet but it was never meant to work this way anyway.

The shockwave and charged particle bursts do need to be fixed though.

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deathray38

lopequil wrote: »

I can confirm the regular hyper torpedos no longer trigger OF. They kept the fix quiet but it was never meant to work this way anyway.

The shockwave and charged particle bursts do need to be fixed though.

Well... this "bug" was actually one of few (if not only...) reason to use Spaceship Trait Slot for Overwhelming force... Beam Overload part was useless, but at least torpedo part, for Hypertorps, had some limited use. Now OF lies in "do not touch it" territory.


Power comparison (stats for my ship):

Charged Particles Burst I:
5km range
-7113 to all shield facings
-4,6% shields resistance for 7s
disable cloaking for 7s

Overwhelming Force on Beam Overload:
3.3km Sphere
-2371 to all shield facings
disable cloaking for 7s





Photonic Shockwave I:
3km range
4912 Kinetic Damage
19.8 Repel
2.2s Disable
-30 Kinetic damage reistance rating for 10s

Overwhelming Force on Torpedo: HY:
2km sphere
2169 Kinetic Damage
27.6 Repel
2.2s Disable




- Both variants of OF are mising resistance debuff in any form. 50% of "regular" resistances debuff should be fair.
- Both variants of OF are far too weak compared to even level I abilities. B:O variant do only 33% damage, T:HY variant do 44% damage. IMO both should be set at 66%-75% of basic abilities (note, these activations are not free, both require specific build and take Spaceship Trait slot).




TL:DR:
Overwhelming Force, after "bugfix" is nearly useless, and require some love:

- Specific powers/abilities related to photonic shockwave/CPB don't work on Overwhelming Force
- Damage output is too low by far (especially CPB part), especially for something taking Spaceship Trait Slot
- Resistance debuffs from main abilities are missing

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deathray38

Overwhelming Force had some use on Romulan Hyperplasma Torps before "fix" (CPB part on B:O was useless even on high-drain builds). OF now rarely trigger, and tait belong to "don't touch it" category.

Trait need buff, preferably something making it's effectiveness more similar to abilities it is supposed to mimic - stats much closer to CPB 1 and PS 1. Retrurning old "bug", by allowing activations on all destructible torps wil be nice too.

deathray38

One more "discovery":

Reputation trait Piezo-Electric Weapon Amplification:
5% Chance for your weapons to cause an AOE shield drain centered on your primary target.
10s cooldown, 5% activation chance on all weapons.

It is basically doing same thing as Overwhelming Force on BO component, with few differences:

PEWA:
It is triggered on every weapon shoot, and usually need 2-5s to activate (with cooldown, it activates every 12-15s)
OFBO:
Require BO to trigger, if You are not using [OVER] beams you need 2 BO or very good cooldown reduction from other stuff to reach 15s mark

PEWA:
Damage (for 400 Drain Expertise): ~6870 to every shield facing
OFBO:
Damage (for 400 Drain Expertise): ~2370 to every shield facing (+7s stealth disable)



OF takes more valuable Starship Trait slot, deal ~65% less damage and triggers significantly less frequent.
Even worse, I am comparing it to C or even D rated reputation trait...

OF in ts current form is not "weak" or even "significantly underpowered", it is just unusable for any reason other then FX.



I don't know if I am supposed this "balance-related" stuff on support forum, but IMO OF buff was unintentionally skipped and forgotten, when Charged Particle Burst and Photonic Shockwave received massive buffs, making these abilities finally usable.