If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If only modern Star Trek agreed. It would be more interesting and we would have planets instantly rebuilt after they were destroyed like in our newest FE.
If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
May be the answer for the Undine for all we known. Bacteria with an endless energy source drawn from fluidic space itself that does the work of nanites in more conventional tech. But I'm betting I'm putting more effort into it than the writers did.
If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
Nanotech, modified from Borg ship-repair nanites. Doesn't work quite as quickly as Borg tech, of course, but there you go.
If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
May be the answer for the Undine for all we known. Bacteria with an endless energy source drawn from fluidic space itself that does the work of nanites in more conventional tech. But I'm betting I'm putting more effort into it than the writers did.
well if the living hull trait means anything... your closer to right then wrong.
If energy was actually free then there would be no such thing as unreplicatable materials, such as latinum. However those things exist because it uses so much energy to replicate that it isn't worth it, this btw is explicitly stated in the TNG tech manuals.
Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
Nanotech, modified from Borg ship-repair nanites. Doesn't work quite as quickly as Borg tech, of course, but there you go.
can't it be both?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
You can, today, buy any number of replica Model T vehicles, either as a DIY kit or as a complete operational vehicle. Replica starships may be a stretch, but with everyone saying energy is free, man hours don't matter, and entropy doesn't exist, (outside of specific episodes in which it plays some part,) I say why not?
Then there is the "genuine original article" club which insists their hull is still operational after hundreds of years. Sure, a late production hull of a class superceeded by a newer class might have been mothballed, or a time traveller may have stolen one from earlier in the timeline, or an ancient hull may have been renovated to stock condition, or whatever. Again I say why not?
The fact that I headcanon my game one way and you headcanon it your way does not detract from my enjoyment of the game.
I am not sorry that some players want options the game does not offer. I personally want my low tier ships to have a use outside of Admiralty or PvP with pre-arranged conditions, but there you go. I am sorry that some players don't choose to adapt what exists in game then headcanon the rest.
It is, after all, a choice. You can be happy or you can be unhappy. After you make that choice, the details really don't matter.
Off Topic Rant:
If there were level 60 content designed for Tier 2 ships, the old Connie would be as valuable today as it was when it was the only TOS ship which players could get. We need content which will make low tier ships a good option, not T6 everythings.
You can, today, buy any number of replica Model T vehicles, either as a DIY kit or as a complete operational vehicle. Replica starships may be a stretch, but with everyone saying energy is free, man hours don't matter, and entropy doesn't exist, (outside of specific episodes in which it plays some part,) I say why not?
Then there is the "genuine original article" club which insists their hull is still operational after hundreds of years. Sure, a late production hull of a class superceeded by a newer class might have been mothballed, or a time traveller may have stolen one from earlier in the timeline, or an ancient hull may have been renovated to stock condition, or whatever. Again I say why not?
The fact that I headcanon my game one way and you headcanon it your way does not detract from my enjoyment of the game.
I am not sorry that some players want options the game does not offer. I personally want my low tier ships to have a use outside of Admiralty or PvP with pre-arranged conditions, but there you go. I am sorry that some players don't choose to adapt what exists in game then headcanon the rest.
It is, after all, a choice. You can be happy or you can be unhappy. After you make that choice, the details really don't matter.
Off Topic Rant:
If there were level 60 content designed for Tier 2 ships, the old Connie would be as valuable today as it was when it was the only TOS ship which players could get. We need content which will make low tier ships a good option, not T6 everythings.
No model T replica is approved for use on the highway. In fact, nobody in their right mind would drive a model T at modern highway speeds.
You can, today, buy any number of replica Model T vehicles, either as a DIY kit or as a complete operational vehicle. Replica starships may be a stretch, but with everyone saying energy is free, man hours don't matter, and entropy doesn't exist, (outside of specific episodes in which it plays some part,) I say why not?
Then there is the "genuine original article" club which insists their hull is still operational after hundreds of years. Sure, a late production hull of a class superceeded by a newer class might have been mothballed, or a time traveller may have stolen one from earlier in the timeline, or an ancient hull may have been renovated to stock condition, or whatever. Again I say why not?
The fact that I headcanon my game one way and you headcanon it your way does not detract from my enjoyment of the game.
I am not sorry that some players want options the game does not offer. I personally want my low tier ships to have a use outside of Admiralty or PvP with pre-arranged conditions, but there you go. I am sorry that some players don't choose to adapt what exists in game then headcanon the rest.
It is, after all, a choice. You can be happy or you can be unhappy. After you make that choice, the details really don't matter.
Off Topic Rant:
If there were level 60 content designed for Tier 2 ships, the old Connie would be as valuable today as it was when it was the only TOS ship which players could get. We need content which will make low tier ships a good option, not T6 everythings.
Plus I remember an Episode of the mid 1990's series, "Viper", where the main characters were chasing some bad guys that were driving an old, rust bucket van....but the van was out performing the Viper, which was brand new at the time. One of the main characters said, "they must have put in a customized engine in that thing!". So it's not a stretch to think of a Enterprise, Kelvin and TOS T6's being able to hold their own with the shiny 'superior' Defiants and Sovereigns.
Energy follows the laws of entropy, and thus cannot be free. Every use of energy generates heat, and even the recovery of waste heat creates waste heat.
Imagine if you will an entirely frictionless system in which a generator is mechanically linked to a motor which is electrically linked to the generator. What would happen? Well, nothing. Even if you spin up the mechanical rotors from an outside power source it would simply wind down the moment you stopped turning it because waste heat would rob the system of energy. There is no way to even theoretically bypass entropy.
Even so-called vacuum energy simply robs one energy system to power another. There must always be an external power supply which consumes more energy than it produces.
Look at every renewable energy source you've ever heard of. They are all solar powered, and our sun is in the process of running down. Eventually, in five or ten billion years, it will have used up its current fuel supply and go out. Even fossil fuels are simply solar power stored by the action of life which was fueled by solar power.
In every case energy runs downhill. You can only push it uphill by robbing a higher energy state, which is also running downhill. An example of this is a water wheel powering a water pump. You can push some of the water back up, but never as much as you need to fall down in order to power the pump.
The laws of physics can easily be violated in fiction but, as hard as Trek writers and fans have worked to make the technologies invented for a show or an episode conform to them, I feel it would be a huge disservice to them to say, " Energy is free."
So no TOS is not "hundreds" of years before STO, over a hundred yes but less than 200.
Just being nit picky but...Actually you could make an argument that the TOS era started 2240's when the Enterprise was constructed (2245) as well as Capt Pike and the Enterprises(s) trip to Talos 4 in 2253 (13 years ago from 2266)
Energy follows the laws of entropy, and thus cannot be free. Every use of energy generates heat, and even the recovery of waste heat creates waste heat.
... I feel it would be a huge disservice to them to say, " Energy is free."
You have to be joking. And from where I'm sitting those writers they earned massive criticism. They're the ones after all who allow Holodecks with their massive energy costs to replace movie theaters after all- to say nothing of recreating entire planets at the drop of a hat.
The only thing freer than that is recreating star clusters and galaxies- and I won't put them past that.
You can, today, buy any number of replica Model T vehicles, either as a DIY kit or as a complete operational vehicle. Replica starships may be a stretch, but with everyone saying energy is free, man hours don't matter, and entropy doesn't exist, (outside of specific episodes in which it plays some part,) I say why not?
Then there is the "genuine original article" club which insists their hull is still operational after hundreds of years. Sure, a late production hull of a class superceeded by a newer class might have been mothballed, or a time traveller may have stolen one from earlier in the timeline, or an ancient hull may have been renovated to stock condition, or whatever. Again I say why not?
The fact that I headcanon my game one way and you headcanon it your way does not detract from my enjoyment of the game.
I am not sorry that some players want options the game does not offer. I personally want my low tier ships to have a use outside of Admiralty or PvP with pre-arranged conditions, but there you go. I am sorry that some players don't choose to adapt what exists in game then headcanon the rest.
It is, after all, a choice. You can be happy or you can be unhappy. After you make that choice, the details really don't matter.
Off Topic Rant:
If there were level 60 content designed for Tier 2 ships, the old Connie would be as valuable today as it was when it was the only TOS ship which players could get. We need content which will make low tier ships a good option, not T6 everythings.
Plus I remember an Episode of the mid 1990's series, "Viper", where the main characters were chasing some bad guys that were driving an old, rust bucket van....but the van was out performing the Viper, which was brand new at the time. One of the main characters said, "they must have put in a customized engine in that thing!". So it's not a stretch to think of a Enterprise, Kelvin and TOS T6's being able to hold their own with the shiny 'superior' Defiants and Sovereigns.
There ain't enough mods you can put on an old steel van to make it perform better than a viper. So using an example of TV fiction that makes NO BLOODY SENSE to explain why your idea works is...umm...yeah. I'm pretty sure I would get banned if I fully spelled out what I think about this train of "logic".
You can complain all you want about what they call it, but it is in FACT a T6 Connie. Now, save your Dil or Zen or EC and go buy one and ret-con whatever backstory you like to explain how you got it and how it keeps up.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the old hulls being in game as much as I do the ships from the 29th - 31st century. All with the same level of power and capabilities as "modern" 25th century ships. Old designs can be rebuilt with all new internals keeping only the outside look,... how do you explain a ship 6 full centuries ahead, not simply wiping anything and everything aside?
It would be like taking a modern Frigate or Aircraft carrier back to the time of Columbus and it being defeated by the Spanish or British navy,.. NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
BTW, my AoY Andorian flies a T6 NX class,... so the moral is, do and fly what you like and be glad they gave it to you at all. For the longest time the answer to "Can we have a T6 Connie and NX?" was a flat and emphatic, HELL NO!
"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
You can complain all you want about what they call it, but it is in FACT a T6 Connie. Now, save your Dil or Zen or EC and go buy one and ret-con whatever backstory you like to explain how you got it and how it keeps up.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the old hulls being in game as much as I do the ships from the 29th - 31st century. All with the same level of power and capabilities as "modern" 25th century ships. Old designs can be rebuilt with all new internals keeping only the outside look,... how do you explain a ship 6 full centuries ahead, not simply wiping anything and everything aside?
It would be like taking a modern Frigate or Aircraft carrier back to the time of Columbus and it being defeated by the Spanish or British navy,.. NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
BTW, my AoY Andorian flies a T6 NX class,... so the moral is, do and fly what you like and be glad they gave it to you at all. For the longest time the answer to "Can we have a T6 Connie and NX?" was a flat and emphatic, HELL NO!
edit: question, does the NX one have the NX bridge??
You can complain all you want about what they call it, but it is in FACT a T6 Connie. Now, save your Dil or Zen or EC and go buy one and ret-con whatever backstory you like to explain how you got it and how it keeps up.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the old hulls being in game as much as I do the ships from the 29th - 31st century. All with the same level of power and capabilities as "modern" 25th century ships. Old designs can be rebuilt with all new internals keeping only the outside look,... how do you explain a ship 6 full centuries ahead, not simply wiping anything and everything aside?
It would be like taking a modern Frigate or Aircraft carrier back to the time of Columbus and it being defeated by the Spanish or British navy,.. NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
BTW, my AoY Andorian flies a T6 NX class,... so the moral is, do and fly what you like and be glad they gave it to you at all. For the longest time the answer to "Can we have a T6 Connie and NX?" was a flat and emphatic, HELL NO!
edit: question, does the NX one have the NX bridge??
I want of those too for my AoY character. Alas the price was/is too high for me so I went with the NX instead. Since I had the Lobi saved up. Been saving Lobi for literally years since there's not much in the Lobi store I ever actually wanted.
As for the NX bridge, no it does not have a unique bridge. That's the only disappointing part about it honestly. Considering the price, you'd think it would have one though like the other Lobi store ships do. I use one of the "defiant-esque" bridges on mine. It's about as close as you can get unless you have/get the ToS bridge. Next time I log that character, Ill check the exact bridge I use and post back.
Edit: I use the Victory bridge on my NX.
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"Go play with your DPS in the corner, I don't care how big it is." ~ Me "There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
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Energy can be free, but if it can't be used to create latinum- then it doesn't matter that its free. But starships aren't made of latinum or any other unreplicatable material that we know of besides a couple handfulls of Dilithium.
Besides in this game, clearly ship hulls can be replicated. How else do you think you can repair your ship from 1 Hull all the way to full in but a few seconds?
bacteria?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
If only modern Star Trek agreed. It would be more interesting and we would have planets instantly rebuilt after they were destroyed like in our newest FE.
May be the answer for the Undine for all we known. Bacteria with an endless energy source drawn from fluidic space itself that does the work of nanites in more conventional tech. But I'm betting I'm putting more effort into it than the writers did.
well if the living hull trait means anything... your closer to right then wrong.
can't it be both?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Enterprise took place much longer ago then TOS yet look at the pretty NX's flying around at T6 level.
I was rounding UP
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Then there is the "genuine original article" club which insists their hull is still operational after hundreds of years. Sure, a late production hull of a class superceeded by a newer class might have been mothballed, or a time traveller may have stolen one from earlier in the timeline, or an ancient hull may have been renovated to stock condition, or whatever. Again I say why not?
The fact that I headcanon my game one way and you headcanon it your way does not detract from my enjoyment of the game.
I am not sorry that some players want options the game does not offer. I personally want my low tier ships to have a use outside of Admiralty or PvP with pre-arranged conditions, but there you go. I am sorry that some players don't choose to adapt what exists in game then headcanon the rest.
It is, after all, a choice. You can be happy or you can be unhappy. After you make that choice, the details really don't matter.
Off Topic Rant:
If there were level 60 content designed for Tier 2 ships, the old Connie would be as valuable today as it was when it was the only TOS ship which players could get. We need content which will make low tier ships a good option, not T6 everythings.
My character Tsin'xing
No model T replica is approved for use on the highway. In fact, nobody in their right mind would drive a model T at modern highway speeds.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Plus I remember an Episode of the mid 1990's series, "Viper", where the main characters were chasing some bad guys that were driving an old, rust bucket van....but the van was out performing the Viper, which was brand new at the time. One of the main characters said, "they must have put in a customized engine in that thing!". So it's not a stretch to think of a Enterprise, Kelvin and TOS T6's being able to hold their own with the shiny 'superior' Defiants and Sovereigns.
Nah, free as things being cheap isn't post-scarcity.
Imagine if you will an entirely frictionless system in which a generator is mechanically linked to a motor which is electrically linked to the generator. What would happen? Well, nothing. Even if you spin up the mechanical rotors from an outside power source it would simply wind down the moment you stopped turning it because waste heat would rob the system of energy. There is no way to even theoretically bypass entropy.
Even so-called vacuum energy simply robs one energy system to power another. There must always be an external power supply which consumes more energy than it produces.
Look at every renewable energy source you've ever heard of. They are all solar powered, and our sun is in the process of running down. Eventually, in five or ten billion years, it will have used up its current fuel supply and go out. Even fossil fuels are simply solar power stored by the action of life which was fueled by solar power.
In every case energy runs downhill. You can only push it uphill by robbing a higher energy state, which is also running downhill. An example of this is a water wheel powering a water pump. You can push some of the water back up, but never as much as you need to fall down in order to power the pump.
The laws of physics can easily be violated in fiction but, as hard as Trek writers and fans have worked to make the technologies invented for a show or an episode conform to them, I feel it would be a huge disservice to them to say, " Energy is free."
Just being nit picky but...Actually you could make an argument that the TOS era started 2240's when the Enterprise was constructed (2245) as well as Capt Pike and the Enterprises(s) trip to Talos 4 in 2253 (13 years ago from 2266)
You have to be joking. And from where I'm sitting those writers they earned massive criticism. They're the ones after all who allow Holodecks with their massive energy costs to replace movie theaters after all- to say nothing of recreating entire planets at the drop of a hat.
The only thing freer than that is recreating star clusters and galaxies- and I won't put them past that.
Don't get your tighty whities in a bunch, sir.
You can complain all you want about what they call it, but it is in FACT a T6 Connie. Now, save your Dil or Zen or EC and go buy one and ret-con whatever backstory you like to explain how you got it and how it keeps up.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the old hulls being in game as much as I do the ships from the 29th - 31st century. All with the same level of power and capabilities as "modern" 25th century ships. Old designs can be rebuilt with all new internals keeping only the outside look,... how do you explain a ship 6 full centuries ahead, not simply wiping anything and everything aside?
It would be like taking a modern Frigate or Aircraft carrier back to the time of Columbus and it being defeated by the Spanish or British navy,.. NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.
BTW, my AoY Andorian flies a T6 NX class,... so the moral is, do and fly what you like and be glad they gave it to you at all. For the longest time the answer to "Can we have a T6 Connie and NX?" was a flat and emphatic, HELL NO!
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
edit: question, does the NX one have the NX bridge??
I want of those too for my AoY character. Alas the price was/is too high for me so I went with the NX instead. Since I had the Lobi saved up. Been saving Lobi for literally years since there's not much in the Lobi store I ever actually wanted.
As for the NX bridge, no it does not have a unique bridge. That's the only disappointing part about it honestly. Considering the price, you'd think it would have one though like the other Lobi store ships do. I use one of the "defiant-esque" bridges on mine. It's about as close as you can get unless you have/get the ToS bridge. Next time I log that character, Ill check the exact bridge I use and post back.
Edit: I use the Victory bridge on my NX.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard