People still bite on that "everything everyone likes should be taken out of the game" guy lol.
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To be honest the best answer, the right answer, to old queues being empty is to do a rotating double-rewards thing for them.
Simple as that.
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I don't think that double rewards would actually be enough for some of them.
Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.
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I don't think that double rewards would actually be enough for some of them.
Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.
I agree. Introducing very/ultra rare tech drops that can be exchanged for special space/ground sets or vanity items would be a big deal. It certainly would be more exciting than waiting for 40 days to complete reputation number 25.
Hm how about a new currency like Bonus Dilithium Refinement Vouchers?
Something like “Play 10 PvE and have enough to refine additional 5k”.
Other than that I’m afraid we are out of options. The STO player base is the laziest and most spoiled one imaginable. Everybody is swimming in rewards peeps get for doing nothing. No map can keep up with that.
Play active = refine more Dil would work in my opinion.
If some f2p dudes need to grind a bit more to make up for a bad Zen/Dil ratios as a result I couldn’t care less.
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I could see maybe something like both a daily, and a weekly mission that is handed out for players to complete. While the missions could have the player need to complete certain specific ques for the daily mission, or even several ques in the case of the weekly mission. The mission could give several different things as a reward like a loot/reward box that could contain both normal dil an normal/elite marks to a chance at unique set of rewards, but the key thing would be making the rewards for completing the mission worth doing the que it is associated with.
I don't think that double rewards would actually be enough for some of them.
Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.
Back then it was the ONLY way to get the stuff. It was problematic because you basically had to roll the dice to see if you EVER got it.
the idea of getting lucky drops at random is fine.
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Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.[/quote]
QFT as pretty much the whole game is build on random chance. Plus when we had the random drops before the Omega Rep the Borg ground runs were really active. Now they are a dead queue outside of private channels
Crafting - trying to get the mods you want
Lockboxes
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Upgrading - rarity is random mods on most items
Doffing - Rarity chance for success
Admiralty - Rarity chance for success
And anything else I may have forgot
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What's that? I'm too busy playing SWTOR at the moment and getting great drops that don't have to go through an 8k-9k cash refining limit.
And in STO I can get enough marks to get through a 40 day reputation in literally less then a day since battlezones, pve queues, and RAs, give out so many marks you don't even have to try to get them.
Not that big of a deal since you are limited to one rep project a day to actually get the reputation. Also I was talking currency not rep.
it is a big deal when you can get that rep and then not have to play that que for 40 days, because that means that que will be dead, which is the issue, their entire rep system discourages people from playing the ques, and then they keep adding ques as if that would solve something.
Its a fair point.
Sometimes I think things would be better if the rep equipment would only drop from there associated queues.
But at this point, that may be thinking too far outside the box.
I don't think that double rewards would actually be enough for some of them.
I think most would bite at the opportunity. The problem would occur when the longer less rewarding queues are highlighted.
Then people would skip them. Even with double rewards.
If there was a rebalancing of the queue rewards (as many people suggest here). Then an hourly system could give life to the dead queues.
Its a fair point.
Sometimes I think things would be better if the rep equipment would only drop from there associated queues.
But at this point, that may be thinking too far outside the box.
So, to fix the ques, you kill the Battlezones... way to think "outside the box".
The Reputation system is a store. You save up your currency, then buy what you want. Why some posters wants to go "full lockbox" with the ques is beyond me.
I find the ques boring and repetitive. The content itself is not enjoyable.
Back then it was the ONLY way to get the stuff. It was problematic because you basically had to roll the dice to see if you EVER got it.
the idea of getting lucky drops at random is fine.
I will agree that STO always sucked at providing worthwhile alternatives. It would be fine to try again and again to get the epic gear, if on the way there would be drops that would be worth something, sometimes even better than the uniques. But this game never had that and under these circumstances I can understand the criticism. But back then and especially today the drops aren't mandatory. They would be more vanity items for people that really wanted to try and I guess it would be enough. It'd be completely fair and should provide enough incentive to run the queues now and then.
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Well, as we can see on Tribble, they've solved the problem of the empty queues: Player counts on queues are now REMOVED. We can no longer see that they are empty. Sure, this will make them MORE empty, because without any idea of what queues still live, people will be stuck in lines that will never spawn because nobody can tell if it will ever pop at all...but you can't SEE any of that.
Out of sight, out of mind -> Invisible, insane.
Of course we can see that they're empty. When you join one and it doesn't pop, it's obviously empty.
And then, when the last 10 queues you checked were empty, the others probably are too. Waste of time checking them all.
And if they were empty yesterday and no evidence says otherwise, they must be empty today no point checking anymore. Queues are all dead, might as well stop wasting time just close the window and do something else.
Does seem like this is perhaps the first step at looking in the future and simply dropping the entire thing - lets hope they come up with something that works by next year
Any extra rewards or double rewards for a rotating system of queues need to be something that people want to repeat to keep the players in there. So don't make it one-off tech pieces like it used to be, because even with random drops once everyone has the gear the queues are dead again.
Extra dilithium or marks might work. People always need those, but it'd still have to make a ~20 min queue compete with a sub-2 min ISA or CCA run, so it's gonna be tough to balance.
I'd say add something that'll remain consistently desirable but will still have a lowish drop rate that keeps people playing. Lobi crystals? Costume unlocks? Those key-bundle insta-epic tech upgrades? Something like that.
Sure they can all be farmed but at least the queues will be filled up more and it'll still be down to random chance.
Its a fair point.
Sometimes I think things would be better if the rep equipment would only drop from there associated queues.
But at this point, that may be thinking too far outside the box.
So, to fix the ques, you kill the Battlezones... way to think "outside the box".
The Reputation system is a store. You save up your currency, then buy what you want. Why some posters wants to go "full lockbox" with the ques is beyond me.
I find the ques boring and repetitive. The content itself is not enjoyable.
How would having the rep gear being dropped in their associated queues kill battlezones ? That seems to be a leap.
And how is that going "Full Lockbox" ?
Full Lockbox would be all sets and gear moved into lockboxes.
No one here has suggested such an absurd thing, so I'm not following that line of logic.
Further, if you think about it, Wouldn't BZ's get the same drop treatment based on their mark type ? If so one could argue BZ's would be the best place to grind for such a drop system, as you can keep playing it, no cooldowns etc.
Rep gear aside, they could (if they wanted to) make a new ground and space set for each mark type.. or even some new consoles and have them only drop in their associated queues. I don't see that as a problematic.
Changing the current rep store structure is not a great idea like I said, that ship has sailed. But there are other alternatives they could try.
I miss the gameplay aspect of getting special drops as seen in other games. But it just doesn't exist in STO.
The closet thing we have to it currently is the Large Batts that drop in Borg STFs. And perhaps 1st 2nd and 3rd place prizes in CCA.
But CCA rewards are not very exciting.
You can safely vendor trash them in 9/10 cases.
I think special drops could add some excitement, and purpose to queuing up.
Extra dilithium or marks might work. People always need those, but it'd still have to make a ~20 min queue compete with a sub-2 min ISA or CCA run, so it's gonna be tough to balance.
I still like the idea of the devs using a script every week to recalculate mark and dil payouts based on completion time.
What's that? I'm too busy playing SWTOR at the moment and getting great drops that don't have to go through an 8k-9k cash refining limit.
And in STO I can get enough marks to get through a 40 day reputation in literally less then a day since battlezones, pve queues, and RAs, give out so many marks you don't even have to try to get them.
Not that big of a deal since you are limited to one rep project a day to actually get the reputation. Also I was talking currency not rep.
it is a big deal when you can get that rep and then not have to play that que for 40 days, because that means that que will be dead, which is the issue, their entire rep system discourages people from playing the ques, and then they keep adding ques as if that would solve something.
Your confusing rep with tokens for said rep. Also that excess rep you are talking about is still able to be used and turned in to dilithium which gets bottlenecked as a currency because of refinement.
Hm how about a new currency like Bonus Dilithium Refinement Vouchers?
Something like “Play 10 PvE and have enough to refine additional 5k”.
Other than that I’m afraid we are out of options. The STO player base is the laziest and most spoiled one imaginable. Everybody is swimming in rewards peeps get for doing nothing. No map can keep up with that.
Play active = refine more Dil would work in my opinion.
If some f2p dudes need to grind a bit more to make up for a bad Zen/Dil ratios as a result I couldn’t care less.
That play 10 PvE thing would get me going more for the extra refinement. Make it something like this:
Daily:
Play 3 different PvE maps for an extra 1.5-2K refinement
Note: You could play the same three maps every day or add a 100 extra refinement bonus for playing different maps from the day before?
Weekly:
Play 10-20 different PvE maps for an extra 5-8K.
Note: Requires playing unique maps for the extra weekly bonus refinement. This will get people to spread out more.
You could even have it increase the refinement rewards if you do higher difficulties. Say like an extra 500 refinement per difficulty.
Weekly all normal: 8K
Weekly all advanced: 8.5K
Weekly all elite: 9k
I went over to the Tribble test server to play just for the reason the queues were dead. There I can do the story line missions, duty officer assignments, admirality missions, try out new gear without grinding much anymore, and enjoy the peace and quiet.
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Any extra rewards or double rewards for a rotating system of queues need to be something that people want to repeat to keep the players in there. So don't make it one-off tech pieces like it used to be, because even with random drops once everyone has the gear the queues are dead again.
If we're talking rare drops, if ever "everyone has the gear" that means the drop rates are way too high.
If we're talking not-so-rare drops, players should need more than one. Like requiring extra copies of the item to upgrade it, etc.
And the drops should be tradeable, so to make their value self-balancing (less played queue -> less available item -> higher price -> more incentive to play the queue).
Extra dilithium or marks might work. People always need those, but it'd still have to make a ~20 min queue compete with a sub-2 min ISA or CCA run, so it's gonna be tough to balance.
It's not at all tough to balance just set a reward X dil/Y marks per minute and multiply by average completion time. Foundry missions already have something like that going on for the reward.
For those queues that can actually fail, additional multipliers could be added to reward difficulty.
I'd say add something that'll remain consistently desirable but will still have a lowish drop rate that keeps people playing. Lobi crystals? Costume unlocks? Those key-bundle insta-epic tech upgrades? Something like that.
Sure they can all be farmed but at least the queues will be filled up more and it'll still be down to random chance.
No. It must be something that can't be acquired anywhere else.
That play 10 PvE thing would get me going more for the extra refinement. Make it something like this:
Daily:
Play 3 different PvE maps for an extra 1.5-2K refinement
We already know that the devs can make missions give refined dil if they want to, but they don't. An extra-special mission could have that as a feature.
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Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.
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I agree. Introducing very/ultra rare tech drops that can be exchanged for special space/ground sets or vanity items would be a big deal. It certainly would be more exciting than waiting for 40 days to complete reputation number 25.
Something like “Play 10 PvE and have enough to refine additional 5k”.
Other than that I’m afraid we are out of options. The STO player base is the laziest and most spoiled one imaginable. Everybody is swimming in rewards peeps get for doing nothing. No map can keep up with that.
Play active = refine more Dil would work in my opinion.
If some f2p dudes need to grind a bit more to make up for a bad Zen/Dil ratios as a result I couldn’t care less.
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the idea of getting lucky drops at random is fine.
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Rare tech drops as a incentive to keep playing them. We had this, it worked, it was removed because people were crying it wasn't "fair" to be subject to a random drop chance - but you simply cannot listen to every complaint, especially if it's nonsensical like that.[/quote]
QFT as pretty much the whole game is build on random chance. Plus when we had the random drops before the Omega Rep the Borg ground runs were really active. Now they are a dead queue outside of private channels
Crafting - trying to get the mods you want
Lockboxes
R&D boxes - PvE drops/Lockbox or C-store
Upgrading - rarity is random mods on most items
Doffing - Rarity chance for success
Admiralty - Rarity chance for success
And anything else I may have forgot
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Its a fair point.
Sometimes I think things would be better if the rep equipment would only drop from there associated queues.
But at this point, that may be thinking too far outside the box.
I think most would bite at the opportunity. The problem would occur when the longer less rewarding queues are highlighted.
Then people would skip them. Even with double rewards.
If there was a rebalancing of the queue rewards (as many people suggest here). Then an hourly system could give life to the dead queues.
The Reputation system is a store. You save up your currency, then buy what you want. Why some posters wants to go "full lockbox" with the ques is beyond me.
I find the ques boring and repetitive. The content itself is not enjoyable.
I will agree that STO always sucked at providing worthwhile alternatives. It would be fine to try again and again to get the epic gear, if on the way there would be drops that would be worth something, sometimes even better than the uniques. But this game never had that and under these circumstances I can understand the criticism. But back then and especially today the drops aren't mandatory. They would be more vanity items for people that really wanted to try and I guess it would be enough. It'd be completely fair and should provide enough incentive to run the queues now and then.
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And then, when the last 10 queues you checked were empty, the others probably are too. Waste of time checking them all.
And if they were empty yesterday and no evidence says otherwise, they must be empty today no point checking anymore. Queues are all dead, might as well stop wasting time just close the window and do something else.
Yeah, this'll make them more empty.
Extra dilithium or marks might work. People always need those, but it'd still have to make a ~20 min queue compete with a sub-2 min ISA or CCA run, so it's gonna be tough to balance.
I'd say add something that'll remain consistently desirable but will still have a lowish drop rate that keeps people playing. Lobi crystals? Costume unlocks? Those key-bundle insta-epic tech upgrades? Something like that.
Sure they can all be farmed but at least the queues will be filled up more and it'll still be down to random chance.
How would having the rep gear being dropped in their associated queues kill battlezones ? That seems to be a leap.
And how is that going "Full Lockbox" ?
Full Lockbox would be all sets and gear moved into lockboxes.
No one here has suggested such an absurd thing, so I'm not following that line of logic.
Further, if you think about it, Wouldn't BZ's get the same drop treatment based on their mark type ? If so one could argue BZ's would be the best place to grind for such a drop system, as you can keep playing it, no cooldowns etc.
Rep gear aside, they could (if they wanted to) make a new ground and space set for each mark type.. or even some new consoles and have them only drop in their associated queues. I don't see that as a problematic.
Changing the current rep store structure is not a great idea like I said, that ship has sailed. But there are other alternatives they could try.
I miss the gameplay aspect of getting special drops as seen in other games. But it just doesn't exist in STO.
The closet thing we have to it currently is the Large Batts that drop in Borg STFs. And perhaps 1st 2nd and 3rd place prizes in CCA.
But CCA rewards are not very exciting.
You can safely vendor trash them in 9/10 cases.
I think special drops could add some excitement, and purpose to queuing up.
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Your confusing rep with tokens for said rep. Also that excess rep you are talking about is still able to be used and turned in to dilithium which gets bottlenecked as a currency because of refinement.
Both SWTOR and STO have the same problem. I
That play 10 PvE thing would get me going more for the extra refinement. Make it something like this:
Daily:
Play 3 different PvE maps for an extra 1.5-2K refinement
Note: You could play the same three maps every day or add a 100 extra refinement bonus for playing different maps from the day before?
Weekly:
Play 10-20 different PvE maps for an extra 5-8K.
Note: Requires playing unique maps for the extra weekly bonus refinement. This will get people to spread out more.
You could even have it increase the refinement rewards if you do higher difficulties. Say like an extra 500 refinement per difficulty.
Weekly all normal: 8K
Weekly all advanced: 8.5K
Weekly all elite: 9k
If we're talking not-so-rare drops, players should need more than one. Like requiring extra copies of the item to upgrade it, etc.
And the drops should be tradeable, so to make their value self-balancing (less played queue -> less available item -> higher price -> more incentive to play the queue).
It's not at all tough to balance just set a reward X dil/Y marks per minute and multiply by average completion time. Foundry missions already have something like that going on for the reward.
For those queues that can actually fail, additional multipliers could be added to reward difficulty.
No. It must be something that can't be acquired anywhere else.
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