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Enterprise J oddly scaled

newnjanewnja Member Posts: 137 Arc User
edited March 2017 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Since my battlecrusier has the same type of windows and we are standing dish-to-dish, shouldn't the windows be the same size on both ships?
Do they have giants for crew on Ent J?
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    Aren't they some kind of solar panals?
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  • newnjanewnja Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Aren't they some kind of solar panals?

    I don't think so... if yes, they would be the 1st generation of federation starships with a bunch of solar panels on the saucer. I personally never heard of such thing.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Or, you know, they're just bigger to allow the crew to see more space.
    That's a potential in-universe reason. The most likely meta reason is the artist only had a few hours to make the thing before it was time to make the episode of ENT it's in and didn't have time to properly scale everything.

    However, what I have a problem with is the hitbox:
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    Yes, that's a Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought and yes, that's the closest I could get to this Valkis before bumping an invisible box and that's the same from below and with the Enterprise-J.
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  • newnjanewnja Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    saurializard wrote: »
    Yes, that's a Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought and yes, that's the closest I could get to this Valkis before bumping an invisible box and that's the same from below and with the Enterprise-J.

    Try using a smaller ship. I have no problems flying real close to both of thise giants.

  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    newnja wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    Yes, that's a Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought and yes, that's the closest I could get to this Valkis before bumping an invisible box and that's the same from below and with the Enterprise-J.

    Try using a smaller ship. I have no problems flying real close to both of thise giants.
    Checked with an Aeon and yeah, you're right. So, it's actually the Vengeance's hitbox that seems to be messed up.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger on the inside

    I mean the ship can't be the right scale anyway casue it's suppose to be 2 miles long...Where the Original Enterprise was a City in space, this thing is it's own small country
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    I still maintain it's only 360 metres long...
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    The Ent-J model is a mess. As @saurializard posted the actual reason is that the ship seen in ENT was actually a rushjob pieced together in hours without any way to even create a full exterior - that's why the saucer texture was so distorted and that's why the in-game windows are so messed up, they are literally stretched. HOWEVER I have to give kudos to Thomas Marrone and the rest of the ship team - it is a faithful adaptation of the canon design, even translating the obvious model errors due to rushjob into the actual in-game model. And no, that's not sarcastic, I love how precise the ship team worked here - it's not their fault the model is hideous pig-2.gif​​
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  • newnjanewnja Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Ent-J model is a mess. As @saurializard posted the actual reason is that the ship seen in ENT was actually a rushjob pieced together in hours without any way to even create a full exterior - that's why the saucer texture was so distorted and that's why the in-game windows are so messed up, they are literally stretched. HOWEVER I have to give kudos to Thomas Marrone and the rest of the ship team - it is a faithful adaptation of the canon design, even translating the obvious model errors due to rushjob into the actual in-game model. And no, that's not sarcastic, I love how precise the ship team worked here - it's not their fault the model is hideous pig-2.gif​​

    I gotta agree on this.
  • nephitisnephitis Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    It would be good if they rescaled the windows so that the J has far more windows than the other ships... and not just upscaled windows.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    I suspect they used the Eaglemoss magazine as a source casue it kinda covers the ship, which they explain how it came to be


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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Does anyone else think it is a pizza cutter with a couple of nacelles attached to it?
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Does anyone else think it is a pizza cutter with a couple of nacelles attached to it?
    Not really more than the original Enterprise. :tongue:
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  • tenderbitstenderbits Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    I just want to know if the saucer section separates...
  • unotetsuunotetsu Member Posts: 662 Arc User
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    I suspect they used the Eaglemoss magazine as a source casue it kinda covers the ship, which they explain how it came to be


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    The saucer looks like it just one big spatial distortion of a actual starbase. Which could very well be the case.
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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Does anyone else think it is a pizza cutter with a couple of nacelles attached to it?

    No, but they do make those.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    tenderbits wrote: »
    I just want to know if the saucer section separates...
    We don't know about canon, but in-game, it doesn't, otherwise they'd have made a note in the blog.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    neoakiraii wrote: »
    It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger on the inside

    I mean the ship can't be the right scale anyway casue it's suppose to be 2 miles long...Where the Original Enterprise was a City in space, this thing is it's own small country

    uh no...300 and some meters barely covers a few city blocks - a city in space would be something the size of a super star destroyer​​
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  • borgified007borgified007 Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    Are you forgetting that in the future it can be much bigger on the inside. In Ent they go inside that little timeship shuttle thing and find out that the dimensions on the inside are much larger than what is on the outside. Same story here.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    I just can't get over the toothpick nacelles.
  • captainkenny1captainkenny1 Member Posts: 326 Arc User
    newnja wrote: »
    Since my battlecrusier has the same type of windows and we are standing dish-to-dish, shouldn't the windows be the same size on both ships?
    Do they have giants for crew on Ent J?
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    change the windows to type 1 or 5 and the windows will be more to your liking

  • scotticus#5603 scotticus
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    I do like the design of the J, generally speaking. The thing is ugly as all hell, not a sexy ship. But the idea that vessels are absolutely huge and there must be some undisclosed rational for it is intriguing, and in the context of the show, it's a masterstroke; a bit of fan-service that helps to give a sliver of insight into the future and situation Daniels is explaining in the scene. And its still a bit of a mystery, ther's still a lot left to the imagination (probably because it was a rush job of a rush job) and that's intresting.
  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    borgified007 wrote: »
    Are you forgetting that in the future it can be much bigger on the inside. In Ent they go inside that little timeship shuttle thing and find out that the dimensions on the inside are much larger than what is on the outside. Same story here.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    borgified007 wrote: »
    Are you forgetting that in the future it can be much bigger on the inside. In Ent they go inside that little timeship shuttle thing and find out that the dimensions on the inside are much larger than what is on the outside. Same story here.

    Not necessarily. STO has made Kal Dano's shuttle from the 27th Century as Daniels' shuttle from the 31st Century. Daniels just gave his shuttle to Kal Dano so they could escape and fulfill their destiny. The Aeon and Relativity from the 29th Century don't have the TARDIS effect. So dimensional transcendence (bigger on the inside) technology was developed in the 29th to 31st Century not the 26th Century
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    nickodaemus wrote: »
    I just can't get over the toothpick nacelles.

    more advanced techniques, slimmer and slimmer engine pods. :)
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  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    smokebailey wrote: »
    more advanced techniques, slimmer and slimmer engine pods. :)

    Oh, I get that.

    It just looks ri-frickin-diculous to me. *shrug* To each their own.

    I bought a Fleet Paladin quite a while ago to cover this design type in my collection. It seems that the future shipwrights didn't like "naked light tubes slung under a needle" design after all, and returned to something better protected.

    From a RL standpoint, it strikes me as concept art that wasn't ready for prime time, but hey had no choice but to use.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger on the inside

    I mean the ship can't be the right scale anyway casue it's suppose to be 2 miles long...Where the Original Enterprise was a City in space, this thing is it's own small country
    uh no...300 and some meters barely covers a few city blocks - a city in space would be something the size of a super star destroyer​​
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