There has a been a large shift in "nerd" culture. Back then, nerds played D&D and read actual books. So computer games were designed for people who had the patience to read.
There has a been a large shift in "nerd" culture. Back then, nerds played D&D and read actual books. So computer games were designed for people who had the patience to read.
Now nerds watch anime and read comic books.
Nah, it's more to do with the technology. When games came on floppy disks or console ROM cartridges, there was precious little room for extra stuff. Adding more disks or bigger ROM chip was expensive. It was cheaper to print a paper manual than put info in the game.
As soon as that changed, manuals pretty quickly shrunk to little slips containing nothing but default controls and legal warnings. Because now that disk space is dime a gigabyte, paper is the expensive media. And of course pretty much all games can now be bought without any physical media at all so all the info just has to be in the game itself.
I have one question. Does your girlfriend like the Star Trek franchise? You never mentioned if she even likes Star Trek. Yes I have read and understood all of the posts on this thread.
Just finished the tutorial. Had not done it since LOR. It's really a welcome break from the lvl 60+ grind. I have leveled 40 characters. The worst is not the tutorial for new players. It's the torture of doing missions for the 20th+ time. Really if you are scared by the tutorial, this is not the game for her.
Ever played EvE Online? Why, I did; and believe me, you get no tutorial there whatsoever (at least not when I was still playing); more like 'Here is a free starter ship, have fun!'
I'll just add my two cents here - they used to have at some point a tutorial but they didtched it for some sort of "opportunities" system "to improve NPE" [NPE=New Player's Experience for those who don't know it yet] quite a moment ago and I know about it only because I created my EvE toons when that tutorial was still a thing and have created some after they ditched it....
that's the only really constructive input I can put into this thread so I will stop here :P
I'd guess a majority of players play at least partly for the setting and story. Metrics must show that people care a lot about having voice actors from the Trek shows or Cryptic would not keep spending the money year after year to hire them.
In other words, "generic space battle game" is not the game that most players want, and "academy drivel" is not the way most would view placing your fresh officer into the Starfleet of the shows they love.
If living in the Trek universe with its stories and slower pace does not appeal to someone that just means they should play something else. Like maybe Overwatch, POE, Marvel Heroes or World War Shooty 11.
Firstly, I hope I am counted as "one of the two people to understand the OP".
But then again, I can't be because Meimeitoo and a few other people (by a few I mean 90%) have been taking time out of their day to post rather thoughtful and sensitive responses. Yet the OP seems to think only two people "get it".
I have read every response here and taken a step back and realized something... What I realized is the reason a few commenters took a defensive/ harsh tone & it's the reason the OP'er isn't more gracious to our responses. It also happens to be something I thought while reading the OP but dismissed in the spirit of being supportive... But support is not what the OP wants is it... No... So what is this elusive observation of mine you wonder? ~ The original poster had his beloved girlfriend try his beloved game and when she did not like it, he decided to take his own feelings of personal rejection & project them outward here in an attempt to punish cryptic & those of us unfortunate enough to get caught in his line of fire....
THATS THE FACT.
Meimeitoo mentioned something very interesting. She sensed a tone on the OP's post that denoted some sense of "poor girl can't be expected to stay interested on account of her being... Well y'know.. A GIRL"... I think this was unintentional/unconscious on his part (as most MEN tend to be vastly unconscious I find)- Anyway, meimeitoo points out that she is a girl and has no problem with tutorials. Rather than make this about sexism, I pose that he was unconsciously trying to appeal to us for support.... For example: "hey guys, I really love my girlfriend and I want her to find joy in all of the same things that I find joy in because I believe that will make us closer and mean we are meant to stay together!" In a way it's really quite adorable and sweet... And I dont even like girls! I mean- i go for guys. I love women but not in a dirty way (unlike all you mysogenistic opportunistic hetero males!) <-my first & only troll experience.
Back to my point:
He is unconscious to all of these factoids i bring up here and undoubtedly/predictably will attack or dismiss my post out of insecurity for being seen. As most would.
I am not like most... I actually care about other life forms. I find it sad she did not like your beloved game. To add to meimeitoo's post, I myself am not and was not a gamer or RPG'r. I took a long time to learn STO. IN FACT my boyfriend got it for me and it took me 2 years to get a computer that could play it so I had to play it on his when he came home from work! (proof boyfriends can get their beloved's hooked on this game!) I think the best point made here is: if she loves trek she will eventually get in to this game.... Provided she has some interest in gaming even a minute one, as was the case with me...
Dont dismiss my psychobabble a'la'Troi... You can learn a valuable lesson here... You have a fundamental belief that your beloved should connect to all of your core interests lest you be doomed to part... This FALSE belief stems from a juvenile ideaology about "compatability." Truth is: no one is compatable. Theres true love couples who have nothing in common interest wise & theres exes who went on vacations and did everything together.... Compatability is a myth. My parents were true love couple (my mom died) but they had absolutely nothing in common! I met a woman who had lost her husband to death, they never spoke the same language. He was italian, she was english and when they met he courted and seduced her all the while not being able to talk to one another! There is a lot to be said for both chemistry and conection.
So don't take it out on us or Cryptic! So what if she dont like STO! Its not the tutorial and its no reflection on your connection... Take her on a picnick!
(...)
In a way it's really quite adorable and sweet... And I dont even like girls! (...)
No, it's not. Because after it was pointed out to him that his GF may just be too impatient he delivered another gem, namely the "take your sister or your mother" line who, once again, seem to have an inherent disadvantage playing videogames. Because "female minds work differently" (OPs words in regards to playing Star Trek Online). If that is the basis of your (generalizing "you" not "you" you) argument, it is literally irrelevant what else you have to say or if somehow there is something else in your message we can pull out - you simply lost, and no you don't get to play the victim card over well deserved backlash.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Speaking of compatibility. My husband and I couldn't be more different. I love playing games and he doesn't. We both play guitars and he also plays a number of other musical instruments and he uses his computer to record himself playing and singing.
He can't eat poultry. His body just can't tolerate it. Seafood either. And those two things happens to be my favorites, so when I make them for myself I have to cook him something he can eat.
He watches tv a lot, I don't. I surf online and come here a lot to keep up with STO.
So no, you don't both have to love the same things to love each other. Sure, we love a lot of the same things and at the same time we both have our own little interests that don't interest the other.
Oh, and we've been married since September 22, 1978.
Anyway, I have to get on another tab and do some bill-paying in a bit.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
As one might say YMMV. No need to jump the OP about it. Instead I too recommend the AOY tutorial for the OP's girlfriend. I actually wished that there was more of the AOY starting points.
if this means you told her to use 'shooter' mode, than that's on you not STO or the tutorial.... never use it, and really never try and shove a noob into it, needlessly complicates an easy as **** combat system.
This is my idea as well. Apart from the fact that the game may just not be to her liking due to nobody's fault just differing tastes. The game starts off easy enough - as tutorials are wont to do - and you do not need every kink to be correct. Enemies don't do real damage and die if you blink at them. Enough time to learn the ropes, how to navigate. How to use changing the camera if you need it. *If you need it*. It may be that you (OP) were trying to be helpful, introducing a lot of neat features that'll help her later on, but maybe too many at a time which are not as important right then. You can easily play the whole game without once using shooter mode.
Now, I am not saying that this is all your fault, and maybe the game just isn't for her, or the game is but not the tutorial, but especially with a tutorial: don't be too helpful, let new players, whether significant others or not, find their ground before you start introducing too many new concepts. Encourage them when they succeed, tell them what went wrong when they didn't (won't happen in the tutorial). And when they seem comfortable with what they're doing, THEN you can start introducing advanced ideas, but not as a "need", only as a "and here's a nice trick".
Late 80's and early 90's games didn't usually have tutorials at all. They had instruction manuals. Sometimes very large instruction manuals. That you were actually expected to read.
Oh yeah, sometimes I miss the days. At least two times (decades apart - Ultima III and EU III) I remember how I was reading the instructions, slobbering with anticipation, just enjoying that "a game that can do all this" exists. (And neither one disappointed me in the least). Nowadays I probably would have troubles finding the time to do that, so I am happy about tutorials, but sometimes, pink tinted glasses get their nostalgia look...
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
I like the tutorial, but I can see how some people might think it's a little long. In my opinion, we should have the option to skip it. This is referring to making and starting a new account.
You could be a good bf and do the tutorial for her. Afyer that you can skip it.
Yeah, no. LOL. The point of a tutorial is not to torture the player, but to actually, you know, teach them! Most tutorials are annoying, because you're constantly frustrated not knowing yet how to work the controls and such properly. That isn't magically going to go away, simply by having someone else do the tutorial for you.
It's called Tutorial for a reason. It just sounds like she's not as into ST as he is. Which is fine. Or maybe she'll come back later and give it another go. Either way, it's her decision.
I love it so much myself that I figured out how to make it halfway playable on my laptop while my desktop is down. We'll see how that goes.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
OP does have a point though.
Most games I've played have a 5 - 10 min tutorial. You're in, you're out. And for the most part, it gives you sufficient understanding.
That said, if OP's gf got fed up at the tutorial stage, then there wasn't much of a chance of her sticking around to begin with.
Some of the episode mission are truly a pain to complete in comparison. Dust to Dust for instance immediately comes to mind as a horrible torture fest of a mission. AND you get to repeat it 3 times if you want all the Kobali set pieces. Its 1000x worse then the tutorial.
Poor thing would've never survived "The Cardassian Struggle" ... or any of the other torturous episodes a new character has to endure (and repeat multiple times).
Personally, the only thing about Dust to Dust that I hated was the disappearing bridges maze and the other maze. The rest I can live with. Especially when I do want those pieces as that's a great set.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
Personally, the only thing about Dust to Dust that I hated was the disappearing bridges maze and the other maze. The rest I can live with. Especially when I do want those pieces as that's a great set.
You can gimmick the bridge thing though so it's really not that bad. If you had to actually honestly beat it it'd be horrible.
Easy mode gimmick: just run really fast and get as far as you can before the bridges go. the big one has multiple respawn points and if you do this right you'll respawn at the next one. Repeat until you're across.
harder but will get you the accolade for not dying: there's a tiny ledge on the far right that you can climb onto and sneak across without actually running the gauntlet.
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Now nerds watch anime and read comic books.
As soon as that changed, manuals pretty quickly shrunk to little slips containing nothing but default controls and legal warnings. Because now that disk space is dime a gigabyte, paper is the expensive media. And of course pretty much all games can now be bought without any physical media at all so all the info just has to be in the game itself.
Really if you are scared by the tutorial, this is not the game for her.
I'll just add my two cents here - they used to have at some point a tutorial but they didtched it for some sort of "opportunities" system "to improve NPE" [NPE=New Player's Experience for those who don't know it yet] quite a moment ago and I know about it only because I created my EvE toons when that tutorial was still a thing and have created some after they ditched it....
that's the only really constructive input I can put into this thread so I will stop here :P
In other words, "generic space battle game" is not the game that most players want, and "academy drivel" is not the way most would view placing your fresh officer into the Starfleet of the shows they love.
If living in the Trek universe with its stories and slower pace does not appeal to someone that just means they should play something else. Like maybe Overwatch, POE, Marvel Heroes or World War Shooty 11.
Firstly, I hope I am counted as "one of the two people to understand the OP".
But then again, I can't be because Meimeitoo and a few other people (by a few I mean 90%) have been taking time out of their day to post rather thoughtful and sensitive responses. Yet the OP seems to think only two people "get it".
I have read every response here and taken a step back and realized something... What I realized is the reason a few commenters took a defensive/ harsh tone & it's the reason the OP'er isn't more gracious to our responses. It also happens to be something I thought while reading the OP but dismissed in the spirit of being supportive... But support is not what the OP wants is it... No... So what is this elusive observation of mine you wonder?
~
The original poster had his beloved girlfriend try his beloved game and when she did not like it, he decided to take his own feelings of personal rejection & project them outward here in an attempt to punish cryptic & those of us unfortunate enough to get caught in his line of fire....
THATS THE FACT.
Meimeitoo mentioned something very interesting. She sensed a tone on the OP's post that denoted some sense of "poor girl can't be expected to stay interested on account of her being... Well y'know.. A GIRL"... I think this was unintentional/unconscious on his part (as most MEN tend to be vastly unconscious I find)-
Anyway, meimeitoo points out that she is a girl and has no problem with tutorials. Rather than make this about sexism, I pose that he was unconsciously trying to appeal to us for support.... For example: "hey guys, I really love my girlfriend and I want her to find joy in all of the same things that I find joy in because I believe that will make us closer and mean we are meant to stay together!"
In a way it's really quite adorable and sweet... And I dont even like girls! I mean- i go for guys. I love women but not in a dirty way (unlike all you mysogenistic opportunistic hetero males!) <-my first & only troll experience.
Back to my point:
He is unconscious to all of these factoids i bring up here and undoubtedly/predictably will attack or dismiss my post out of insecurity for being seen. As most would.
I am not like most... I actually care about other life forms. I find it sad she did not like your beloved game. To add to meimeitoo's post, I myself am not and was not a gamer or RPG'r. I took a long time to learn STO. IN FACT my boyfriend got it for me and it took me 2 years to get a computer that could play it so I had to play it on his when he came home from work! (proof boyfriends can get their beloved's hooked on this game!)
I think the best point made here is: if she loves trek she will eventually get in to this game.... Provided she has some interest in gaming even a minute one, as was the case with me...
Dont dismiss my psychobabble a'la'Troi... You can learn a valuable lesson here... You have a fundamental belief that your beloved should connect to all of your core interests lest you be doomed to part...
This FALSE belief stems from a juvenile ideaology about "compatability."
Truth is: no one is compatable. Theres true love couples who have nothing in common interest wise & theres exes who went on vacations and did everything together.... Compatability is a myth. My parents were true love couple (my mom died) but they had absolutely nothing in common! I met a woman who had lost her husband to death, they never spoke the same language. He was italian, she was english and when they met he courted and seduced her all the while not being able to talk to one another! There is a lot to be said for both chemistry and conection.
So don't take it out on us or Cryptic!
So what if she dont like STO! Its not the tutorial and its no reflection on your connection... Take her on a picnick!
No, it's not. Because after it was pointed out to him that his GF may just be too impatient he delivered another gem, namely the "take your sister or your mother" line who, once again, seem to have an inherent disadvantage playing videogames. Because "female minds work differently" (OPs words in regards to playing Star Trek Online). If that is the basis of your (generalizing "you" not "you" you) argument, it is literally irrelevant what else you have to say or if somehow there is something else in your message we can pull out - you simply lost, and no you don't get to play the victim card over well deserved backlash.
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Exactly. Your girl is more basic than basic.
He can't eat poultry. His body just can't tolerate it. Seafood either. And those two things happens to be my favorites, so when I make them for myself I have to cook him something he can eat.
He watches tv a lot, I don't. I surf online and come here a lot to keep up with STO.
So no, you don't both have to love the same things to love each other. Sure, we love a lot of the same things and at the same time we both have our own little interests that don't interest the other.
Oh, and we've been married since September 22, 1978.
Anyway, I have to get on another tab and do some bill-paying in a bit.
We just live one day at a time and are grateful for what we do have.
Good day to you too
This is my idea as well. Apart from the fact that the game may just not be to her liking due to nobody's fault just differing tastes. The game starts off easy enough - as tutorials are wont to do - and you do not need every kink to be correct. Enemies don't do real damage and die if you blink at them. Enough time to learn the ropes, how to navigate. How to use changing the camera if you need it. *If you need it*. It may be that you (OP) were trying to be helpful, introducing a lot of neat features that'll help her later on, but maybe too many at a time which are not as important right then. You can easily play the whole game without once using shooter mode.
Now, I am not saying that this is all your fault, and maybe the game just isn't for her, or the game is but not the tutorial, but especially with a tutorial: don't be too helpful, let new players, whether significant others or not, find their ground before you start introducing too many new concepts. Encourage them when they succeed, tell them what went wrong when they didn't (won't happen in the tutorial). And when they seem comfortable with what they're doing, THEN you can start introducing advanced ideas, but not as a "need", only as a "and here's a nice trick".
Oh yeah, sometimes I miss the days. At least two times (decades apart - Ultima III and EU III) I remember how I was reading the instructions, slobbering with anticipation, just enjoying that "a game that can do all this" exists. (And neither one disappointed me in the least). Nowadays I probably would have troubles finding the time to do that, so I am happy about tutorials, but sometimes, pink tinted glasses get their nostalgia look...
You know...without the mansplaining?
Yeah, no. LOL. The point of a tutorial is not to torture the player, but to actually, you know, teach them! Most tutorials are annoying, because you're constantly frustrated not knowing yet how to work the controls and such properly. That isn't magically going to go away, simply by having someone else do the tutorial for you.
It's called Tutorial for a reason. It just sounds like she's not as into ST as he is. Which is fine. Or maybe she'll come back later and give it another go. Either way, it's her decision.
I love it so much myself that I figured out how to make it halfway playable on my laptop while my desktop is down. We'll see how that goes.
Most games I've played have a 5 - 10 min tutorial. You're in, you're out. And for the most part, it gives you sufficient understanding.
That said, if OP's gf got fed up at the tutorial stage, then there wasn't much of a chance of her sticking around to begin with.
Some of the episode mission are truly a pain to complete in comparison. Dust to Dust for instance immediately comes to mind as a horrible torture fest of a mission. AND you get to repeat it 3 times if you want all the Kobali set pieces. Its 1000x worse then the tutorial.
Poor thing would've never survived "The Cardassian Struggle" ... or any of the other torturous episodes a new character has to endure (and repeat multiple times).
Forget the tutorial. She never had a chance.
Easy mode gimmick: just run really fast and get as far as you can before the bridges go. the big one has multiple respawn points and if you do this right you'll respawn at the next one. Repeat until you're across.
harder but will get you the accolade for not dying: there's a tiny ledge on the far right that you can climb onto and sneak across without actually running the gauntlet.
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