My problem with the Voth is shouldn't they have evolved from being dinosaur people into being bird people?
If Romulans could somehow evolve forehead Vs between TOS and TNG (And no you can't retcon it because it was a key plot point in TOS that they looked identical to Vulcans), then surely the Voth should have become birdmen.
My problem with the Voth is shouldn't they have evolved from being dinosaur people into being bird people?
No. Why would they? What environmental pressures are on them to evolve into birds? Evolution dosn't have an end goal, dinosaurs do not become birds just because they can, but because there is a environment that is more survivable to birds.
If Romulans could somehow evolve forehead Vs between TOS and TNG (And no you can't retcon it because it was a key plot point in TOS that they looked identical to Vulcans), then surely the Voth should have become birdmen.
Ridge-less Romulans exist in the 24th century (Nero and his crew), it's not evolution, it most likely just a racial trait, some Romulans have ridges others don't, some Vulcans probably have them, most don't. The proto-Vulcanoids from the TNG episode I can't remeber the name of also had these ridges.
If anything it's selection bias, the majority of Vulcans who marched under the raptors wings had ridges and the majority of Vulcans who accepted Suraks teachings did not, so the populations of the Vulcans who eventually became Romulans had a much higher than usual amount of ridged individuals who then interbread in a population where it was a predominate trait.
But congratulations on winning the Threshold award for misunderstanding evolution.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
My head canon on the Romulan Ridges is that it is an adaptation due to living in atmospheres much more dense than Vulcan's is. Remember Vulcan is not only arid but the air was very thin. Someone that evolved up in that atmo has descendants that grow up in, say, 1.5x that density might develop some kinds over-sized sinuses giving a forehead V-ridge.
Yeah sure its a stretch, but then again there are worse canon stretches, and its a fairly simple way to hand wave some TNG era costume designer's really bad idea
Star Trek shouldn't just end at the Delta Quadrant, it should be pushing past the boundaries and yes that includes going into Andromeda.
So pushing beyond logistical lines since the alliance has not foothold, with many unknowns possibly marring your return (especially different people)? Maybe even beyond a war zone which will actively hamper you? Yes, with the Dyson Spheres as implemented here it would be possible to build hubs from which to expand, but still not every place at once.
Also, except from exploration purposes, you really would need to "control" the known area first. ("Control" in quotation marks, because it doesn't necessarily mean "conquer and rule", but "know about it, know the dangers, maybe have treaties for passage and supply and trade with residents"). Otherwise every new discovery will be another new discovery next time round.
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Presumably, fans of the Star Trek IP enjoy the content of the existing Star Trek universe. Not sure why anyone would complain about adding more Star Trek content as described in previous Star Trek material vs. 'adding something new'.
I'm completely OK with them adding new, never-before-seen content myself, but that basically amounts to "we're inventing new Star Trek content here", which is normally left to the TV series, movies, or at least the novels. If Cryptic was to do it I imagine they'd get jumped on from 10 directions at once for adding 'made-up' content before adding existing ST content.
There aren't a whole ton of credible (canon) alien threats to the Federation/Klingon/Romulan alliance, I don't imagine they many options to choose from when implementing a new one.
If Cryptic was to do it I imagine they'd get jumped on from 10 directions at once for adding 'made-up' content before adding existing ST content.
That already happened when they did the Deferi.
Many people complained about them making up a new race rather then using an already existing one
yeah there is a large contingent of players here that feel STO should be barred from doing anything but retrace every tv show ever and grab any/all dangling plot threads.... Suggesting something new, for them, is heresy.
Annoying really, people like that need a good flogging with a proper scourge imo.
yeah there is a large contingent of players here that feel STO should be barred from doing anything but retrace every tv show ever and grab any/all dangling plot threads.... Suggesting something new, for them, is heresy.
Annoying really, people like that need a good flogging with a proper scourge imo.
And there are some people who want to get rid of the alliance in STO, despite the fact that Star Trek is all about an idealized future where everyone can learn to get along and come together for a greater whole.
I tend to ignore such fools when... quelling them... is out of the question.
one can get along and work together w/o being assimilated into the UFP
If Cryptic was to do it I imagine they'd get jumped on from 10 directions at once for adding 'made-up' content before adding existing ST content.
That already happened when they did the Deferi.
Many people complained about them making up a new race rather then using an already existing one
yeah there is a large contingent of players here that feel STO should be barred from doing anything but retrace every tv show ever and grab any/all dangling plot threads.... Suggesting something new, for them, is heresy.
Annoying really, people like that need a good flogging with a proper scourge imo.
This topic gives me flashbacks. These differences are so 2010, aren't they? The game is called STAR TREK Online. Not Star Trek Retread Online. Nor is it Star Trek 25th Century Only Online. It's the whole kit and kaboodle. I never understood why there isn't enough player interest in having both simultaneously. Development for the game just isn't ever going to have parity between the concepts upon each content release.
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If Cryptic was to do it I imagine they'd get jumped on from 10 directions at once for adding 'made-up' content before adding existing ST content.
That already happened when they did the Deferi.
Many people complained about them making up a new race rather then using an already existing one
yeah there is a large contingent of players here that feel STO should be barred from doing anything but retrace every tv show ever and grab any/all dangling plot threads.... Suggesting something new, for them, is heresy.
Annoying really, people like that need a good flogging with a proper scourge imo.
This topic gives me flashbacks. These differences are so 2010, aren't they? The game is called STAR TREK Online. Not Star Trek Retread Online. Nor is it Star Trek 25th Century Only Online. It's the whole kit and kaboodle. I never understood why there isn't enough player interest in having both simultaneously. Development for the game just isn't ever going to have parity between the concepts upon each content release.
I dunno, I am still trying to wrap my brain around the concept that people get so hyper wound up at the merest mention of STO doing something totally unrelated to a previous episode... The basic concepts of the IP are to 'boldly go' and to 'seek out new' so... why retread everything? Trek highlights human nature and tries to paint us as capable of achieving the best of our nature, and it does so through "Aliens" that reflect portions of us and/or our current political climates at the time of a given episode.
one can get along and work together w/o being assimilated into the UFP
Well its a good thing the other factions aren't getting assimilated into the UFP outside of thoroughly debunked headcanon.
You need to read the bloody mission dialogues again man. Just for example the mission where you watch the signing of the Temporal Accords, the Romulan Envoy flat out states, "You are from before the Romulans joing the Federation." Also in that episode is a very Klingon "Federation Ambassador" and there are even canon on-screen statements that show they are absorbed into the Federation before the Battle at Procyon.
You need to read the bloody mission dialogues again man. Just for example the mission where you watch the signing of the Temporal Accords, the Romulan Envoy flat out states, "You are from before the Romulans joing the Federation." Also in that episode is a very Klingon "Federation Ambassador" and there are even canon on-screen statements that show they are absorbed into the Federation before the Battle at Procyon.
Except, that very same mission shows that once all of them came together, it stopped being the Federation, and instead became the Galactic Union, and has shown that the Roms and KDF play equal roles in it, with them running it more then traditional Fed races like humans or vulcans do.
O.O impressive delusions.... you have very impressive delusions....
O.O impressive delusions.... you have very impressive delusions....
So says the habitual liar.
lol..He did not lie. Not once.
Straight from the STO wiki: It is unclear which species are members of the Galactic Union. Representatives of the Federation (now including the Romulans), Dominion, Deferi, Breen, Tholians, Xindi, Cardassians, Orions, Lukari, Ferengi, Cooperative, and Kobali are all present to witness the signing of the Temporal Accords; whether they are all members of the Union is unconfirmed.
There is no Klingon Empire representative present at the signing of the Temporal Accords; however, the Federation Ambassador is a Klingon, suggesting that the Empire, like the Romulans, may have joined the Federation by 2769.
Your attempts at gaslighting have yet again failed.
Straight from the STO wiki: It is unclear which species are members of the Galactic Union. Representatives of the Federation (now including the Romulans), Dominion, Deferi, Breen, Tholians, Xindi, Cardassians, Orions, Lukari, Ferengi, Cooperative, and Kobali are all present to witness the signing of the Temporal Accords; whether they are all members of the Union is unconfirmed.
There is no Klingon Empire representative present at the signing of the Temporal Accords; however, the Federation Ambassador is a Klingon, suggesting that the Empire, like the Romulans, may have joined the Federation by 2769.
Thank you for proving my point!. There is no real Federation at that point, its the freaking Galactic Union!
Your attempts at gaslighting have yet again failed.
I don't think you understand what that word means(big surprise) because i attempted nothing of the sort.
Yes the Federation still exists...it just joined a larger coalition. Its still the Federation. That's like saying Germany is no longer Germany simply because its part of the EU.
Yes the Federation still exists...it just joined a larger coalition. Its still the Federation. That's like saying Germany is no longer Germany simply because its part of the EU.
Except the difference is that the EU is just a coalition, whereas the Union is a singular government made up of a bunch of formerly individual governments.
No where did anything say it was a singular government. [edit] well yes it does say that in the wiki. I stand corrected however the EU is more than a coalition. It also can be considered a governing entity.
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If Romulans could somehow evolve forehead Vs between TOS and TNG (And no you can't retcon it because it was a key plot point in TOS that they looked identical to Vulcans), then surely the Voth should have become birdmen.
No. Why would they? What environmental pressures are on them to evolve into birds? Evolution dosn't have an end goal, dinosaurs do not become birds just because they can, but because there is a environment that is more survivable to birds.
Ridge-less Romulans exist in the 24th century (Nero and his crew), it's not evolution, it most likely just a racial trait, some Romulans have ridges others don't, some Vulcans probably have them, most don't. The proto-Vulcanoids from the TNG episode I can't remeber the name of also had these ridges.
If anything it's selection bias, the majority of Vulcans who marched under the raptors wings had ridges and the majority of Vulcans who accepted Suraks teachings did not, so the populations of the Vulcans who eventually became Romulans had a much higher than usual amount of ridged individuals who then interbread in a population where it was a predominate trait.
But congratulations on winning the Threshold award for misunderstanding evolution.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yeah sure its a stretch, but then again there are worse canon stretches, and its a fairly simple way to hand wave some TNG era costume designer's really bad idea
So pushing beyond logistical lines since the alliance has not foothold, with many unknowns possibly marring your return (especially different people)? Maybe even beyond a war zone which will actively hamper you? Yes, with the Dyson Spheres as implemented here it would be possible to build hubs from which to expand, but still not every place at once.
Also, except from exploration purposes, you really would need to "control" the known area first. ("Control" in quotation marks, because it doesn't necessarily mean "conquer and rule", but "know about it, know the dangers, maybe have treaties for passage and supply and trade with residents"). Otherwise every new discovery will be another new discovery next time round.
I'm completely OK with them adding new, never-before-seen content myself, but that basically amounts to "we're inventing new Star Trek content here", which is normally left to the TV series, movies, or at least the novels. If Cryptic was to do it I imagine they'd get jumped on from 10 directions at once for adding 'made-up' content before adding existing ST content.
There aren't a whole ton of credible (canon) alien threats to the Federation/Klingon/Romulan alliance, I don't imagine they many options to choose from when implementing a new one.
yeah there is a large contingent of players here that feel STO should be barred from doing anything but retrace every tv show ever and grab any/all dangling plot threads.... Suggesting something new, for them, is heresy.
Annoying really, people like that need a good flogging with a proper scourge imo.
one can get along and work together w/o being assimilated into the UFP
This topic gives me flashbacks. These differences are so 2010, aren't they? The game is called STAR TREK Online. Not Star Trek Retread Online. Nor is it Star Trek 25th Century Only Online. It's the whole kit and kaboodle. I never understood why there isn't enough player interest in having both simultaneously. Development for the game just isn't ever going to have parity between the concepts upon each content release.
I dunno, I am still trying to wrap my brain around the concept that people get so hyper wound up at the merest mention of STO doing something totally unrelated to a previous episode... The basic concepts of the IP are to 'boldly go' and to 'seek out new' so... why retread everything? Trek highlights human nature and tries to paint us as capable of achieving the best of our nature, and it does so through "Aliens" that reflect portions of us and/or our current political climates at the time of a given episode.
You need to read the bloody mission dialogues again man. Just for example the mission where you watch the signing of the Temporal Accords, the Romulan Envoy flat out states, "You are from before the Romulans joing the Federation." Also in that episode is a very Klingon "Federation Ambassador" and there are even canon on-screen statements that show they are absorbed into the Federation before the Battle at Procyon.
O.O impressive delusions.... you have very impressive delusions....
LOL I have never once lied bro... cool story tho
lol..He did not lie. Not once.
Straight from the STO wiki: It is unclear which species are members of the Galactic Union. Representatives of the Federation (now including the Romulans), Dominion, Deferi, Breen, Tholians, Xindi, Cardassians, Orions, Lukari, Ferengi, Cooperative, and Kobali are all present to witness the signing of the Temporal Accords; whether they are all members of the Union is unconfirmed.
There is no Klingon Empire representative present at the signing of the Temporal Accords; however, the Federation Ambassador is a Klingon, suggesting that the Empire, like the Romulans, may have joined the Federation by 2769.
Your attempts at gaslighting have yet again failed.
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Yes the Federation still exists...it just joined a larger coalition. Its still the Federation. That's like saying Germany is no longer Germany simply because its part of the EU.
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No where did anything say it was a singular government. [edit] well yes it does say that in the wiki. I stand corrected however the EU is more than a coalition. It also can be considered a governing entity.
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