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PSA: New Gorn Ships
jexsamx
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Remember, everyone:
Allied alien ships for the KDF have historically sold very poorly, hence the long droughts between.
The release of not only more KDF Science ships, but Gorn ships, represents a risky venture, even considering the skins are attached to ships that will probably be good (based on the old Vesta, anyway). Whether it's an educated stab at profit based on the performance of the last Science bundle, or a complete shot in the dark by devs with a bit of faith left in us, at the end of the day, Gorn designs are a gamble.
It's up to us to vote with our wallets.
Don't like the design? Cool! Don't buy it.
But for those of us that do, or even who don't like the Gorn ships but want to see Orion ships in the future - we need to show Cryptic that this gamble isn't as crazy as it looks. If you can afford it, spend the money. One ship, all three, the whole nine-pack, whatever you can justify. Money is the metric that can keep interesting choices like this coming.
With this in mind, do what's right for what you want. I know I will.
Allied alien ships for the KDF have historically sold very poorly, hence the long droughts between.
The release of not only more KDF Science ships, but Gorn ships, represents a risky venture, even considering the skins are attached to ships that will probably be good (based on the old Vesta, anyway). Whether it's an educated stab at profit based on the performance of the last Science bundle, or a complete shot in the dark by devs with a bit of faith left in us, at the end of the day, Gorn designs are a gamble.
It's up to us to vote with our wallets.
Don't like the design? Cool! Don't buy it.
But for those of us that do, or even who don't like the Gorn ships but want to see Orion ships in the future - we need to show Cryptic that this gamble isn't as crazy as it looks. If you can afford it, spend the money. One ship, all three, the whole nine-pack, whatever you can justify. Money is the metric that can keep interesting choices like this coming.
With this in mind, do what's right for what you want. I know I will.
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Non-Klingon ships for the KDF selling poorly has more to do with practically none being made for the faction to begin with.
Before the advent of T6, how many Non-Klingon KDF C-Store ships arrived for endgame use? In the course of 7 years the KDF received these Non-Klingon design ships in the C-Store for endgame:
Tier 5 Varanus (2012)
Tier 5 Marauder FDC (2010... Which I want to point out, has never, ever gotten even a Fleet Version)
Tier 5 Guramba (2010)
Tier 5 Kar'Fi (2011)
And that's it. But how many have come out so far with the advent of T6 ships?
Tier 6 Kosali (2016)
So in 7 years the Non-Klingon groups of the KDF have received 5 ships for endgame use. "Poor Sales" of Non-Klingon ships has more to do with the lack of support. If you hardly sell a type of product, how can you complain about low sales?
So the Mah'ta, Qib, Kurak, Kor, 3 Command BCs, are just figments of our imagination? nice to know.
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Regardless of the circumstances, the fact is KDF Alien ships are a rarity, and showing there's interest by spending money is the only way to encourage them to do more.
This is a positive thread! Let's keep what-if's about the past out of it and focus on what's in front of us!
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LOL, those ships you listed are KLINGON DESIGN SHIPS. The NON-KLINGON members of the KDF have gotten next to no support in ships for endgame use.
2 ships in 2010
1 ship in 2011
1 ship in 2012
Then over 4 years later, 1 in 2016.
So my point still stands. Nobody can complain about "Non-Klingon" KDF ships selling poorly when there's hardly any being sold to begin with. There has historically been almost no support for them in 7 years of STO being live.
Those ships came out in a time where KDF were getting next to no support in ships for the C-Store. It's only in the Post-DR timeframe where we're actually getting more now.
The Vo'Quv still doesn't have a C-Store version at any tier and is still one of the most commonly seen KDF ships. It's been ingame since launch with the Lv40 BGen version.
The Vor'Cha still doesn't have a C-Store version at Tier 5+, and it's a canon ship. She too has been ingame since launch in the Lv40 version.
The Negh'Var never had a C-Store ship until last year with the T6 Negh'tev, yet the Negh'Var is a canon ship and is still often seen in the game with the regular version. She too has been in since launch.
The D7, another canon ship, never got a C-Store version at endgame. It is however available through an prohibitively expensive pack but it's not C-Store access.
What gets me is that they came in here with an obvious agenda. Literally their first line was "Another one of those Feds complaining the KDF get something?" That already proves they didn't read the post. They saw the thread title, assumed it was a Fed complaining, and marched right in to post their brave little counterpoint without even once stopping to read what they were actually responding to.
Worse still, their every response since has only been in defense of their initial post! Not once have they acknowledged the OP, not once have they stated support for the idea of voting with one's wallet at this new opportunity. Their posts revolve around a butthurt of their own invention.
I'll take this opportunity to formally ask we stay off the subject of Cryptic's past handling of KDF Alien ships. I have opinions on that too, believe me, but this thread isn't about that. It's about what's in front of us. So let's all focus on that, eh?
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Of course considering its a gorn ship so doesn't have a cloak it should have equal hull/shield to the fed vesta...
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Really? So when people would complain about not having sci ships, the same thing would be said. Well, Cryptic made them but no one bought them. Except that the people that know about such things would point out that the sci ships were garbage and that's why they didn't sell. They were "junk" ships just as you've called those T5 ships. The fact is, we don't know the real numbers and just take what Cryptic says as truth.
As for the topic at hand, I don't rally care about the Gorn side of things. If it had been Orion, like with a new Maurader, then that would probably be an auto buy. But I'll probably pick up stuff for the Rom side at least. Maybe the mega pack. We'll see.
That's not saying I will necessarily buy them at all, though.
Reading comprehension fail,...
Highlighted and excerpted the relevant parts, for you.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Or is that "... and knowing is fair play"?
The question (and I cannot answer it) isn't how many non-klink KDF ships were sold in general, but how many non-klink ships were sold when compared to other KDF ships. Per ship type, not as absolutes. And this is where the OP was targeting. The same could be asked about Fed ships - which isn't the issue here, but an example. Sure, "Saucer plus two nacelles" outsells Andorian or Vulcan ships by a mile (or "outsold", since there are no T6 of the non humans, comparison ain't fair right now). But from Cryptic's point of view - they will look at every ship model they create and see how it fares. If cruisers are bought by everybody, but Tac and Sci ships aren't, then we will only see more cruisers. Which might mean, even if you want a Tac ship you might want to support the Sci ship just to show that other ships work well.
(Gotta admit, I am partisan though. From the moment I read about this, the question wasn't whether I would buy the ships, but when. Helps that I love Sci ships despite being worse at them - except for my main who is all-in sci)
Federation Multi-mission ships
•Hull Strength: 32,775 at level 50 and 38,000 at level 60
•Shield Strength: 1.4
•Base Turn Rate: 12
Romulan Multi-mission ships
•Hull Strength: 32,775 at level 50 and 38,000 at level 60
•Shield Strength: 1.35
•Base Turn Rate: 11.5
KDF Multi-mission ships
•Hull Strength: 34,500 at level 50 and 40,000 at level 60
•Shield Strength: 1.35
•Base Turn Rate: 11.5
Ermagerd! -.5 turn rate!!! A WHOLE HALF A POINT!!!
Oh noes!!! -3.7% relative shields!!
...Hmm. Wait. What's this? Oh! Look: 5.2% MORE HULL.
Given the preponderance of shield penetrating damage out there, I'm inclined to say there's plenty of situations where the Gorn variants are flat out BETTER. But please, do go on ignoring the stats that are inconvenient to your agenda. I particularly like the part where you quoted an individual ship description so you could dodge the text that mentions the higher hull all three of them share.
Plus the Gorn heavy fighters are just hilarious. Tractor beams, baby!
This guy needs to take some reading comprehension courses ...
Anyway, Bettendorf the intrepid and the AoY bundle I have all the science ships in need, but I do hope they keep the alien ships coming for KDF, a decent Orion ship might be enough to get me interested in playing a KDF toon (doubt it though)
Yeah 1/2 a point of turn is nothing with all the things that boost turn rate, including an entire spec tree.
Likewise shield and hull a boosted by other tree's, or heck want more exotic damage, there is a tree for that.
How about the new Gorn fighters which are unlocked by the Gorn Ships, that is a major factor for me. My Gorn already has a great ship, he has always used the Krenn & Korath, but recently got a Paradox. But that doesn't mean I can't uses these Gorn Ships as a Kitty Carrier for my Ferasans.
I'd like to buy all three for the hull customization as well as Admiralty cards, but will be grabbing the Engineering variety at the very least.
As someone who loves using Yellowstone Pets on his one Fed with a ship that can use them, these Gorn pets look very appealing.
I've gotten every C-Store ship for the KDF. I've done my part for this faction.
I say this with all due respect.. because I do respect you..
I think you got this one wrong my friend. The OP is trying to get people to do exactly what you're doing and I think you misread the situation. He is right, if you want to see things like Gorn Ships, more KDF Content, Orion Ships, etc.. then when they do stuff like this it needs to sell.
He's just trying to get people on the fence to consider this when weighing their purchase to try and give more support to the KDF faction, that's all. You guys are fighting even though you're on the same side.
He's trying to get more people to do what you're already doing.
And to dilute it with a simultaneous 20% off all Ships except...
I will eventually get the Nine-Pack but for now no Sale = no sale for me.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Indeed, extra hull is very useful. Even with 2/3 skill points in shield hardness, 2/3 shield capacity & shield restoration, and 1/3 shield regeneration, on sci ships with 4x [ShHP] lab consoles plus R&D sci console using reputation space sets my hull takes heavy damage. At this point I regret doing 2/3 in shield hardness since it does nothing. Even the Annorax goes to half hull at times with shields still up without neutroniums or polarize hull. Perhaps the new trait that comes with these ships will help against some of the heavy exotic damage, but I doubt this accounts for kinetic or whatever other bleed-through attacks from NPCs.
Do the Gorn MMEs have access to the T5 Varanus skin if it isn't owned? What about the other 2 gorn ship skins? I ask because I kind of like the classic Varanus skin and would hope to kitbash the new ones with it for whenever the MME bundle goes on sale, but don't own any of them.