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Temporary ban from joining or creating public queues message?

I have been grinding Omega and Fleet mark missions this past weekend, today finished up 'Hive Assault' and as normal gave me the option to 'leave map' after destroying the Borg queen ship but gave me no marks or rewards. I returned to the menu to do another mission and got a message

'You have been temporarily banned from joining or creating public queues'

Any idea what is going on? I have been told this can happen if you quit out, but I had finished this mission. In fact, the only one I left was on Saturday morning when I was on a Borg disconnect' on the hardest difficulty setting and the entire team dropped out leaving me on my own in a no win situation.

Quite bizarre. Been like this for nearly 2 hours now.
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  • ringlercorp26ringlercorp26 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    That particular Hive Assault mission was probably bugged, so the game thought you quit (even though you didn't). The same thing happened to me and my fleet-mates a while back during Undine Assault. The mission glitched and we had to leave the map, causing a temporary ban on all of us.

    The ban is usually only an hour though. If it has been longer than 2 hours already, I'm not sure how much longer they are going to make you wait.
  • jast1981jast1981 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    Is it 1 hour of being in the game?.. or just one hour from the ban?

    I mean, do I have to be in the game 60 minutes? I logged off when the message popped up I was temp banned and only went back on when I posted this and was still temp banned.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    jast1981 wrote: »
    Is it 1 hour of being in the game?.. or just one hour from the ban?

    I mean, do I have to be in the game 60 minutes? I logged off when the message popped up I was temp banned and only went back on when I posted this and was still temp banned.

    Well it would not be much of punishment if you could just log out and have fun with something else, and then come back later and go on...

    BTW, chances are a heavy hitter was in the mission with you, and you got an AFK penalty for not doing proportionally enough damage.
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  • jast1981jast1981 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    That makes sense about the heavy hitter. The 2 Borg ships were destroyed within 10 seconds and the Queen lasted around 5 seconds. Not sure I even got a shot in by the time torpedos recharged lol.
  • kf4tvikf4tvi Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    I had no idea you could be banned in this game for not being as talented, experienced or as rich as other players. I am unaware of ever being banned from anything in my entire life until now, and now I am finding out that I could have inadvertently caused other players to experience the same shame... just because for whatever reason I scored more points than they did? Wow, I thought we were on the same side and fighting common enemies...not each other.
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    kf4tvi wrote: »
    I had no idea you could be banned in this game for not being as talented, experienced or as rich as other players.

    Oh, yes. I think that you have to do something like 10% of the damage not to be counted as AFK. Last I heard Healing Others and Buffing/Debuffing did not count as participation, either.

  • kf4tvikf4tvi Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    jslyn wrote: »
    Oh, yes. I think that you have to do something like 10% of the damage not to be counted as AFK. Last I heard Healing Others and Buffing/Debuffing did not count as participation, either.

    Thanks, that's good to know since my character is a science guy and sometimes that is all I try and do is just heal others with my fancy shmancy sciencey stuff. Amazing, after almost 2 years of playing, and occasionally dropping real money into the game, I am just finding this out. The complexity of the game was one of the reasons I enjoyed playing it though, ironic huh...

  • hoffy1hoffy1 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    you have to do less then 1% of the teams total damage in order to trigger the AFK bonus reward. In other words: it does not happen all that often, its a quite rare occasion.
  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    welcome to the club, and no, it's not that rare.
    i've have gotten several of those banns over the last few weeks allready.

    Tholian Red Alert...
    + hitting the red alert button,
    + warping to the location,
    + engage!
    + loading the red alert area...
    oh look, 4/5 and they're allready melting the last ship,
    + option to leave sector without any reward, and of course another temp. bann.

    and i'm fine with not getting a reward here, hell, i even pass on all items from fights i didn't participate in too.
    but this afk TRIBBLE should only work on players, that are in the red alert area right from the start and do nothing.
    and when the great queue systems dumps you into a red alert, that is nearly done, then there should be no penalty at the end.

    anyway, no one gives a damn about this problem.
    - support only gives you standard text book answers, when you try to talk about it with them. i also asked to elevate my ticket, but let's be honest, it's probably going nowhere...
    - http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1228394/pvp-warning-youre-temporarily-banned-from-joining-or-creating-public-queues nothing there either...

    in short, Tholian Red Alert is in an unplayable state for me.
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  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    With normal queues (not alerts) you go straight to the map from your current location after a beam up or a warp out, depending on your status aboard ship or not. I believe the beam up is faster because you show up without having to warp back in. I am often among the first on a map, but not always.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,534 Arc User
    With normal queues (not alerts) you go straight to the map from your current location after a beam up or a warp out, depending on your status aboard ship or not. I believe the beam up is faster because you show up without having to warp back in. I am often among the first on a map, but not always.

    It's quicker to do from Sector Space as there is no warp-out.

    It's 1% of the damage according to theory, but if you're late in through loading issues, yes it can be a pain, but this rarely happens, and to be honest, the AFK and Leavers penalties are there for a reason. When you've seen as many AFK'ers walking away with rewards and laughing about it, as I have, you'll be glad something is done about them. I do believe that no rewards are now given if you get such a penalty, which is great, but the system really should kick those that warp in and sit there till 'Trigger Event/Time Event', cause there is nothing worse than someone who refuses to pull his own weight.
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    kf4tvi wrote: »
    Thanks, that's good to know since my character is a science guy and sometimes that is all I try and do is just heal others with my fancy shmancy sciencey stuff. Amazing, after almost 2 years of playing, and occasionally dropping real money into the game, I am just finding this out. The complexity of the game was one of the reasons I enjoyed playing it though, ironic huh...

    I don't find that it comes up that often. It's not surprising that you haven't experienced it before.

    My original character was a sciency heal bot, too. Of course back then the Skill Tree had you spec in to a specific ship, so you had better like your roll.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    kf4tvi wrote: »
    I had no idea you could be banned in this game for not being as talented, experienced or as rich as other players. I am unaware of ever being banned from anything in my entire life until now, and now I am finding out that I could have inadvertently caused other players to experience the same shame... just because for whatever reason I scored more points than they did? Wow, I thought we were on the same side and fighting common enemies...not each other.
    The shame is all Cryptic's for having created this farce of a system.
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  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    I have no problem with the Borg Red Alert, and i have no problem with The Breach event either...
    Not to mention, that when one or two players can melt through complete group content within mere seconds, they just don't belong there.
    So yes, this one is actually on Cryptic.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    regenerde wrote: »
    I have no problem with the Borg Red Alert, and i have no problem with The Breach event either...
    Not to mention, that when one or two players can melt through complete group content within mere seconds, they just don't belong there.
    So yes, this one is actually on Cryptic.

    No, it's on you.

    If you can't do 1% of the total damage.. get better. It's not up to everyone else to come down to your level.

    If you have lag or a technical issue, that's your own problem, don't blame other people for it. As Napalm said, it's not like there are Advanced or Elite Red Alerts.

    The rest of us are not going to avoid the Red Alerts just because you happen to suck.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    ruinthefun wrote: »
    A simple compromise is that no AFK penalties will be assessed if the player is present for less than 5 minutes, so if some DPS monsters flatten everything before the rest of the team can even get into the game, there is no penalty, and that additionally, this should not affect or apply to private queues, which are free to determine their own requirements for participation.

    5 Minutes might be a big long considering how quickly some events end, but still it's definitely on the right track. It's a rational and fair attempt at a middle ground instead of the usual suggestion of simply trying to ban people from content because they do more damage then others. The suggestion is fair to everyone.
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  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    regenerde wrote: »
    I have no problem with the Borg Red Alert, and i have no problem with The Breach event either...
    Not to mention, that when one or two players can melt through complete group content within mere seconds, they just don't belong there.
    So yes, this one is actually on Cryptic.

    And where should they go? There is advanced or elite RA. Also hyperbole is hyperbole. It is not mere seconds. The fastest that I have cleared a tholian RA...and this is with people who actually top the DPS boards was a bit over one min. And yes I can solo a tholian RA in about 3 min with my serious ship and around 7 min in my for fun ship...so I am not exactly on the low end of skill in this game...but nothing I have on my for fun ship is exactly hard to get and it is plenty good enough to never get AFKed if I don't have connection issues.

    Also if you are having issues with just one map, that is an issue with your computer setting not liking something on that map.;.which isn't exactly cryptics issue as they have no way to deal with the MILLIONS of individual setting that PC users have.

    You and your pal still don't get it...

    First, it's not just me, this TRIBBLE happens to other players often enough, that you can even read in Zone chat about it between all the daily/nightly spam.

    Second, it takes 10-20 seconds tops from "Engage!" to being in the red alert, hence the "mere seconds".

    Third, it's not like the whole game is completely bug free, so yes, there might be something going on here, and this might warrant some Dev having a closer look at it.

    I mean, were would be the problem to actually accept, that there is an actual issue here, that this is affecting more then just a single player, and that the Devs should take a closer look and come up with a solution for it?

    Besides, judging by other threads on this forum, may be it's time to come up with advanced/elite version of red alerts.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,954 Arc User
    The best thing to do in any queue is to just full impulse to the nearest group as soon as it starts, then hit BFAW and spacebar. Doing that, I've never received an AFK penalty.
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  • shadowwraith#9264 shadowwraith Member Posts: 379 Arc User
    perhaps cryptic should use warframes afk system, if the player is moving and using skills etc then they get the rewards, if they are not moving and not using skills for a set period of time then they are AFK and get no rewards.
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  • themadprofessor#9835 themadprofessor Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    No, it's on you.

    If you can't do 1% of the total damage.. get better. It's not up to everyone else to come down to your level.

    If you have lag or a technical issue, that's your own problem, don't blame other people for it. As Napalm said, it's not like there are Advanced or Elite Red Alerts.

    The rest of us are not going to avoid the Red Alerts just because you happen to suck.

    So... If you get randomly teamed with a group where everyone else is capable of soloing the entire map and they take everything out before you can even get a head on the bad guys, that's somehow your fault, right? As if you subconsciously influenced the other players to join the RA queue at that exact moment just so your subconscious could troll you?

    No, there are just instances where it's bad luck on teaming. No different than any other bad PUG run.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    perhaps cryptic should use warframes afk system, if the player is moving and using skills etc then they get the rewards, if they are not moving and not using skills for a set period of time then they are AFK and get no rewards.
    Definitely.

    That would also allow using a sufficiently high threshold that you couldn't bypass the whole system by shooting something once.
  • kf4tvikf4tvi Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    So let me get this straight, you can fly into one of these Q's, immediately navigate away from the action and fly to the edge of the map and just drop anchor. Never getting hit, and never shooting anything, or using any abilities at all, and you would still get rewards and that would take rewards away from those players that were sweating bullets and grinding real hard? So this AFK penalty discourages this by removing the ability to play for an hour if you do it?
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