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~Can you lose a doff on a doffing assignment if it fails?

officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I just had a doffing assignment return to me as a fail and two of the doffs were highlighted red. I usually see that when I have prisoners or colonists not return to me. One of them was a R&D specialist and another a holographic one. They are not in sick bay nor show up in my roster.
I have never heard of losing doffs permanently upon a fail. I am a little perturbed because it was a R&D crafting doff not just some c rappy common disposable. I'd be livid if it was a purple doff. What are the rules about this?
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    I believe you can only lose common (white) doffs on assignments. (I'm not 100% positive about it, but I have never lost anything of higher quality than that, they just end up in sickbay lol.)
  • lighte007lighte007 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    Was it on a Klingon Character? Just wondering.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Only common (white) Doffs can die from mission failures as far as I am aware. Uncommon and better quality Doffs are only injured.

    The only time when I read of a "good" quality Doff actually dying was probably back in 2014 when someone stated his rare photonic Doff died after a failed maintenance Doff mission. I think he said it was for turbolift maintenance. I am pretty sure that was a bug.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    Green and better will go to sick bay for disaster in normal missions.

    I think there are some exchange missions (the embassy chains in Alpha quadrant?) that might let you select a regular officer to be "stationed" at the embassy forever.

    KDF has the changeling spy, execute for incompetence and seppuku suicide missions.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    I just had a doffing assignment return to me as a fail and two of the doffs were highlighted red. I usually see that when I have prisoners or colonists not return to me. One of them was a R&D specialist and another a holographic one. They are not in sick bay nor show up in my roster.
    I have never heard of losing doffs permanently upon a fail. I am a little perturbed because it was a R&D crafting doff not just some c rappy common disposable. I'd be livid if it was a purple doff. What are the rules about this?

    2 things: did you see them in red in the list of assignments or the assignment itself? Because the list of assignments is broken, showing the wrong Doffs.

    If not, did you make sure the mission wasn't a mission that stated you'd lose the Doffs? Normally, most of these missions don't automatically put Doffs in the slots but a few actually do.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    I've had common DOFFs die by failing in playing Dabo. KDF rolls hard like that.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    For a long time the holodeck hamlet performance was bugged and could kill any quality of doff. Given it needs 18 doffs, the potential carnage is spectacular.

    Anyone know if it can still massacre purples?
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,507 Arc User
    IIRC if you are playing on Elite as standard, Doff's do die.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    TOS faction, playing on normal mode, the mission was one of the jem'hadar chain assignments number 6 or 7 i believe, saw them red in the list of completed assignments, and i wasnt told i would be losing doffs up front.
  • bossheisenbergbossheisenberg Member Posts: 603 Arc User
    gavinruneblade wrote: »
    For a long time the holodeck hamlet performance was bugged and could kill any quality of doff. Given it needs 18 doffs, the potential carnage is spectacular.

    Anyone know if it can still massacre purples?

    No. I used all purples and some UR doffs and got disaster numerous times. Fortunately they didn't die.
  • kontarnuskontarnus Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    I think it matters what the danger level of the mission is... if it's 'extreme' and you have any chance of mission failure, there is a chance you'll lose a doff.
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    IIRC if you are playing on Elite as standard, Doff's do die.

    Difficulty level doesn't impact doff missions.

  • firehawk4firehawk4 Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Only common quality(white) doffs can die on a mission. Green and higher only get injured and go to sickbay. The mission danger lvl listed in the mission discription as none-extreme gives idea of chance of doff dying(if white) or being injured. The only time a green or higher quality doff is lost, assuming no bugs, is if the mission has red text in the description saying the doff will be lost. The klingon missions execute changeling spy and execute mutineers and fed mission escort changeling spy to prison are 3 such mission where the doffs will be lost regardless of quality. There are also some mission in the alpha quad that consume doffs regardless of color like the officer exchange and the civilian labor for embassy so pay attention to any red text in mission
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    @bossheisenberg thanks for the info. I have been curious.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    kontarnus wrote: »
    I think it matters what the danger level of the mission is... if it's 'extreme' and you have any chance of mission failure, there is a chance you'll lose a doff.

    Green or better will only go to sick bay. Whites will take a dirt nap on disaster.

  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    kontarnus wrote: »
    I think it matters what the danger level of the mission is... if it's 'extreme' and you have any chance of mission failure, there is a chance you'll lose a doff.

    Green or better will only go to sick bay. Whites will take a dirt nap on disaster.
    Even on failure, they can die:
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    They did fix it so that the system did not automatically assign Doffs to Missions where they would be lost.

    That being said, the last two days was the first times I ever ran those Karemma Labor Recruitment Missions. When I first called up the Mission it was PRE-FILLED with VR Civilian Doffs. I switched them to KDF Prisoners, which is what I am trying to get rid of by the boatloads.

    Needless to say I was not pleased.
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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    gavinruneblade wrote: »
    For a long time the holodeck hamlet performance was bugged and could kill any quality of doff. Given it needs 18 doffs, the potential carnage is spectacular.

    Anyone know if it can still massacre purples?

    Reminds me of the ending of Blackadder series one.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    hmmm... IIRC whites CAN go to sickbay, but don't always.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Disasters.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • neos472neos472 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    I've had common DOFFs die by failing in playing Dabo. KDF rolls hard like that.

    that must have been some high steaks Dabo.
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    neos472 wrote: »
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    I've had common DOFFs die by failing in playing Dabo. KDF rolls hard like that.

    that must have been some high steaks Dabo.

    Or was saving the inevitable "execution for incompetence" because he failed at playing Dabo...
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  • shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    I've lost a couple of (white) doffs performing Klingon opera.

    Now that's what I call heckling!
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    neos472 wrote: »
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    I've had common DOFFs die by failing in playing Dabo. KDF rolls hard like that.
    that must have been some high steaks Dabo.
    Hmmm I've never seen people bet steak on Dabo... how does that work?
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  • tecbulltecbull Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    I've found that a Fizzbin game can be quite fatal, along with turbolift maintenance. Of course, I've also critted a Uushan match with a Horta miner.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    So the turbolift maintenance thing you fall down the shaft and die?
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  • mas134gluck123mas134gluck123 Member Posts: 302 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    For now i lost several higher then common doffs on:
    Fed side:
    Exchange officer assignments:
    - Bajoran Officer Exchange Program
    - Karemma Officer Exchange Program
    - Paradan Officer Exchange Program
    - Cardassian Officer Exchange Program
    Recruit Labor to Aid Karemma Colonization Team
    Recruit Labor to Aid Paradan Colonization Team
    Transfer Changeling Spy to Starbase
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Bajor
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Karemma
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Parada IV
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Cardassia Prime

    KDF:
    Execute Changeling Spy
    Allow warrior to commit Suicide(tho klingon word)
    Exchange officer assignments:
    - Dosi Officer Exchange Program
    - Ferasan Officer Exchange Program
    - Wadi Officer Exchange Program
    - Cardassian Officer Exchange Program
    Recruit Labor to Aid Dosi Colonization Team
    Recruit Labor to Aid Wadi Colonization Team
    Station Provincial Administrator at the Consulate on the Dosi Homeworld
    Station Provincial Administrator at the Consulate on Ferasa
    Station Provincial Administrator at the Consulate on the Wadi Homeworld
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Cardassia Prime

    That are assignments on which i lossing officers if i don't pay attention when i do doffing, as they using all kinds of doffs, maybe there is more but i think thats majority of them.
  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,120 Arc User
    saurializard wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    kontarnus wrote: »
    I think it matters what the danger level of the mission is... if it's 'extreme' and you have any chance of mission failure, there is a chance you'll lose a doff.

    Green or better will only go to sick bay. Whites will take a dirt nap on disaster.
    Even on failure, they can die

    They can also die on a success (dunno for certain whether on a crit, too, but I wouldn't rule it out), especially on the higher danger levels. But yeah, it is kind of a bummer that those R&D doffs on AoY toons are commons.

    Also, I had a doctor die on a common healing mission (the "fractured arm" type).
    mas134gluck123 wrote: »
    For now i lost several higher then common doffs on:
    (snip)

    These doffing assignments do give a warning in the description that this will happen though ("officers assigned to this will be lost permanently" in red)
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