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T5U Galor/Jem ships replaced? Or would i have to "buy" them again?

caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Title is the question.

I have the galor and both Jem ships that are getting an upgrade.

Will the ones i own be upgraded? Or in another great Cryptic money grab, am i required to re acquire the same ships again should i so want?
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    It may be the same skin, but it's NOT the same ship.

    Ergo, you're not getting one for free because you own the old one.

    /thread
  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 3,807 Community Moderator
    The Galor and Keldon are 2 completely separate ships. If you own a Galor you will NOT automatically upgrade to the Keldon. If you want the Keldon you will have to pick up the ship just as you would with any other. You can skin the Keldon to look like the Galor but that's it.
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  • letsfadeawayletsfadeaway Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    Did anyone who bought the T5/T5-U Long Range Science Vessel get a free T6 Pathfinder?
    No?
    There's your answer.
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  • khan1000khan1000 Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    You know the answer to that.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    valoreah wrote: »
    I've never quite understood these questions as they don't make sense.

    If you buy a 2016 model year car, does that mean you'll get a 2017 model year of the same car for free just because you bought it before?

    If you bought Windows 7/8 should you get Windows 10 for free just because you bought it before? Actually, yes and that turned out to be a pretty nice thing indeed.

    It's digital merchandise. Cryptic can chose to apply whatever economic model they want. Regardless of which way they go, there is sense behind asking for an upgrade. See. these ships' automatic upgrade to T5-U. Free bumps have happened before, they're simply not happening with this transition.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    No your ships will not be upgraded. Jem'Hadar Attack Ships that were T5 were not upgraded. I don't know why anyone would ask this question as the wording in the announcement was quite clear.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    salazarraze wrote: »
    No your ships will not be upgraded. Jem'Hadar Attack Ships that were T5 were not upgraded. I don't know why anyone would ask this question as the wording in the announcement was quite clear.

    Here's the relevant blog announcement (just for the sake of topic clarity, I'm personally fine with this outcome.)
    In addition to these added items, we’re very excited to announce the inclusion of new Tier-6 versions of a few of our previous Tier-5 Lock Box starships! Each of these new vessels will be replacing their Tier-5 counterparts in the contents of the Infinity Lock Box. Keep reading for stats and details on each of these newly-upgrade starships!

    You'll note that the topic of existing T5 ships is not addressed. You can infer that T6 versions will not be replacing their commissioned T5 counterparts but you cannot conclude that from the announcement. There is simply no information, which is very suggestive but that's all you can logically say. Hence why someone asked specifically. It's fine.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    Also, you don't "Have to" buy the T6 versions.... just because there is newer T6 versions, doesn't mean your older T5/T5U version have been made obsolete and no longer function.

    Your T5Us are still very capable ships. Keep that in mind.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    valoreah wrote: »
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    It's digital merchandise.

    Makes no difference.
    Yes, it damn well does. Take OS upgrades. Take T5-U upgrades on Lobi and Lockbox ships. It's a fact that customers are sometimes given free updates to the most recent model when that model is just software. That's possible because unlike cars (which is a bit silly to use as a comparison, IMO) you can simply replace the old version along a virtual distribution network. It's simply a data exchange.

    Companies can choose to do this or not (in this case: no, that's fine), but the difference is very well established in modern business.

    taylor1701d wrote: »
    Also, you don't "Have to" buy the T6 versions.... just because there is newer T6 versions, doesn't mean your older T5/T5U version have been made obsolete and no longer function.
    Your T5Us are still very capable ships. Keep that in mind.

    And this is something to strongly keep in mind. The difference is 1 boff seat and the option for specs. That puts you down when it comes to a min-maxed playstyle but it doesn't stop you from enjoying any piece of content (even elite difficulty) in STO.

    If someone cares enough, the option to rebuy the ship is available but I don't think it's a huge expectation for players (the mechanics certainly aren't pushing for it.)
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    They are replacing them in new lockboxes and lobi store. Those T5 ships are no longer available and new versions have replaced them for newly bought ones. Not ones that already exist.

    I suspect the T5's on the exchange will be devalued?
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    In addition to these added items, we’re very excited to announce the inclusion of new Tier-6 versions of a few of our previous Tier-5 Lock Box starships! Each of these new vessels will be replacing their Tier-5 counterparts in the contents of the Infinity Lock Box. Keep reading for stats and details on each of these newly-upgrade starships!

    Take note of that bolded and italic part of the announcement, in which it mentioned that the tier six versions are replacing the tier five version of the ships in the infinity box. Where as if it was replacing all tier five versions they would not make that distinction in the announcement.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    Good grunt, people, could you debate this without all the aggression in your replies? People get way to emotional about this.​​
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    valoreah wrote: »
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    Yes, it damn well does.

    Actually, no, it doesn't. Cryptic has said T5/T5-U and T6 are not the same thing and it doesn't matter what other software companies do. Cryptic is not going to lose out on all those key sales from people buying the T6 versions of the lockbox ships.

    T5 and T5-U aren't the same thing either but you saw how Crpytic handled that. Whatever the specific justifications are, people are justified in asking about a similar (but, IMO, smaller scale) upgrade this time. It happens, fact, just not in this case.

    And as pointed out, T5-U is perfectly fine to use in game. People don't need to upgrade to T6 in order to use these ships well. The amount of revenue then from rebuys is probably going to be pretty trivial. It's a niche of a niche (unlike the sum-total of all ship owners, which Cryptic lost out on when they offered all lockbox/lobi ships a free T5-U upgrade). Ie. it's something you can easily exaggerate for the sake of a forum argument. However, when it comes to justification this group is probably going to be very difficult to detect in-game (as a significant thing across the scale of the population).

    Which may be why Cryptic didn't bother with the free T6 upgrade. The prospective benefit may not have justified the technical/logistic work involved (which may be significant, considering that the all important +1 boff seat wasn't part of the original T5-U upgade.)

    I should also probably point out that I'm not arguing for free T6 ship upgrades. It's a little late now. What I'm pointing out is just the logic behind the question (which you seem to still have problems with. Take a step back and just think about the problem as a general, rather than a specific, thing. You might then see how it might look from another person's POV, leading them to pose the question.)
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  • fruitvendor12fruitvendor12 Member Posts: 615 Arc User
    You win the argument. You can stop now. ;)
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    fruitvendor12 wrote: »
    You win the argument. You can stop now. ;)
    https://xkcd.com/386/

    It's not whether you win or lose, it's how much you time you can spend thinking about the question. :P
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    In addition to these added items, we’re very excited to announce the inclusion of new Tier-6 versions of a few of our previous Tier-5 Lock Box starships! Each of these new vessels will be replacing their Tier-5 counterparts in the contents of the Infinity Lock Box. Keep reading for stats and details on each of these newly-upgrade starships!

    You'll note that the topic of existing T5 ships is not addressed. You can infer that T6 versions will not be replacing their commissioned T5 counterparts but you cannot conclude that from the announcement. There is simply no information, which is very suggestive but that's all you can logically say. Hence why someone asked specifically. It's fine.
    You can absolutely conclude that no one is getting a T6 upgrade based on two things. 1) It hasn't happened before and 2) There was zero mention of an upgrade. These two things lead to a reasonable conclusion based on precedent and the announcement.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    It also didn't mention that all ships will not leave a trail of flowers behind them in sector space. From that you seemingly are inferring THEY WILL. Dispelling random assumptions is NOT the release's job.

    For further examples of "own the original and get nothing when a new version comes out" I direct you to the T5 and T6 flagships.

    Would I LIKE a new ship? Sure. Would I be happier to pay 10 bucks in fleet modules to upgrade my current T5 grand prize to T6? Oh yes. Am I willing to pursue the new ships from even footing as everybody else? Yes, I am. Because I know first hand how much fun the three T6-rereleases I want will be. If profit motive makes them move on it faster, great. T6 Tal Shiar Destroyer/Battlecruiser and Narcine Dreadnought Carrier nao plz.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    ^Excellent idea, have a Risian set where the impluse visuals leave a trail of flowers behind the ship. I like it.
    Maybe the shield visuals will make you ship look like its made from sand. And the deflector look like a waterfall.
  • bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    caldannach wrote: »
    Title is the question.

    I have the galor and both Jem ships that are getting an upgrade.

    Will the ones i own be upgraded? Or in another great Cryptic money grab, am i required to re acquire the same ships again should i so want?

    Another huge MONEYGRAB! :)
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    Helpful kitty OP and white knight were helpfully filling downtime during patch.

    Helpful kitties are usually not helpful. ;)
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  • caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    nikeix wrote: »
    It may be the same skin, but it's NOT the same ship.

    Ergo, you're not getting one for free because you own the old one.

    /thread

    No mate. Lets be honest. Its the same ship, with slightly different boff seating and a console. Thats it. Its not a new ship, its an old ship, that got what lockbox ships should have got.

    Do you think its a worthy lockbox ship, which are supposed to be the most expensive ships in the game? If someone already owns one of the old ones, that they paid good money for, you think its reasonable they have to pay for it again, because "command seat" and a crappy console?

    And for all that, they cant even get the Jem Dread to work properly as a reskin. Cryptic's balls know no limit. They are shameless. They used the console launch as a platform to push this through with minimal attention.

    And what does /thread mean? Are we on reddit now?
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  • caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    letsfadeaway wrote: »
    Did anyone who bought the T5/T5-U Long Range Science Vessel get a free T6 Pathfinder?
    No?
    There's your answer.

    Thats a c-store ship, which is not even in the same ball park as a lockbox ship, but good try.

    I asked a question, a perfectly reasonable question.

    You didn't have to answer it.

    But you did.

    Why?

    Because you are an STO forum TRIBBLE.

    Same applies to anyone else that did the same. Quite a few of you weirdos, by all accounts.
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  • ikonn#1068 ikonn
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    edited October 2016
    The Keldon is (Visually) a Galor with additional superstructure on the top, giving it a more "beefy" appearance. It comes with 4 Spiral Wave Disruptors and unlocks the ability to buy more through the Dilithium Store, just like the Galor in that regard. It comes with a different Boff layout and a trait to unlock.

    So no, it is not the same ship. No, your current ships will not get a free upgrade, and yes, this is a money grab.
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  • caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    ixionveridian wrote: »
    So no, it is not the same ship.

    I know what it has and hasn't got mate, i owned a Galor since when it was still current.

    Keep telling yourself its not the same ship if it makes you feel better about the game.

    No matter to me.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    ixionveridian wrote: »
    and yes, this is a money grab.
    Like the rest of the franchise. :p
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