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Starfleet Commander In Chief.

So far we've met with the Federation President Aennik Okeg, Klingon Chancellor J'mpok and Proconsul D'tan, but we've yet to see the C.inC.

More often than not, it seems Admiral Quinn is acting as the CinC's proxy which seems a little bit strange and asymmetrical. I mean, where is the C.inC. in all this? Sending a proxy or, stranger still, the highest brass in the whole United Federation of Planets.

WHO is the C.inC.?
Will it ever be revealed? ( I know there was something in the pipeline some time ago.)
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Did you find that in background materials or just assume that because the USA works that way?
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Quinn is th e commander of Starfleet, not a proxy. Aside from that the use of CinC in STVI for a personage other than the Federation President was a mistake by script writers as just like the US President is Commander in Chief of all US armed forces so is President Okeg the CinC of Starfleet.


    I disagree. One of the devs said a while ago that there was big plans for the C. in C. and, by that point we already knew Okeg was President.

    As far as I'm aware, Quinn is only C. in C. of ESD, not Starfleet.
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Jorel_Quinn

    "Cryptic's lead writer Christine Thompson has denied previous theories of Quinn being the head of Starfleet Command, as this post is supposed to be saved for "someone special." "
  • apulseapulse Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Captain: Course 457 392 ensign, warp when ready.
    Ensign: we are a Starbase, we are stationed in space.
    Captain: Dammit, they screwed me!

    On a more serious note, does Quinn have anything to do with Admiral Quinn in the first season of TNG?
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    apulse wrote: »
    Captain: Course 457 392 ensign, warp when ready.
    Ensign: we are a Starbase, we are stationed in space.
    Captain: Dammit, they screwed me!

    On a more serious note, does Quinn have anything to do with Admiral Quinn in the first season of TNG?

    No, they're separate. One was a Human. Gregory Quinn, the other, Jorel Quin is a Trill.
  • apulseapulse Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    apulse wrote: »
    Captain: Course 457 392 ensign, warp when ready.
    Ensign: we are a Starbase, we are stationed in space.
    Captain: Dammit, they screwed me!

    On a more serious note, does Quinn have anything to do with Admiral Quinn in the first season of TNG?

    No, they're separate. One was a Human. Gregory Quinn, the other, Jorel Quin is a Trill.

    Thanks for cleaing that up.


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  • bejaymacbejaymac Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    Try looking up the American Navy ranks some time, that was the template they used for the chain of command for Star Fleet, sadly I doubt if Cryptic ever bothered to check as they have made an @ss of the flag ranks right from the start.

    In Star Fleet Rear Admirals and Vice Admirals command Starbases, Sectors and fleets, 4 star Admirals are at HQ planning their next dinner party, if there is a 5 star or Fleet Admiral then that person should be tucked safetly away in the HQ as well. Seeing as there is only one of them, the last thing you would want is your CiC being stationed someplace dangerous.

    The highest rank Quinn should have is Vice Admiral, either that or get him to hell of that Starbase and back to HQ where he belongs.
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    It is, at least, indicative of something. I mean, even outdated evidence is better than none at all, right? After all, the intent was there to some degree and it'd be intriguing if it ever pans out.

    It's a shame the isn't a dev at hand to clarify who is (or isn't) the C in C. definitively
  • sevenofnine13141sevenofnine13141 Member Posts: 4,273 Arc User
    The Commander in Chief of Starfleet is pretty much someone we don't know. It is unlikely Quinn is the Starfleet CiC, since he's the Fleet Admiral that oversees the Vulcan Sector and ESD. I think the Commander in Chief's official rank is a Six-pip type Admiral rank that would probably designate a Grand Admiral or "Admiral of Starfleet".
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    I would like to see Riker because the last we know of him was that his Titan's diverse crew was a model for Starfleet.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,003 Arc User
    Starfleet answers to the Federation Council. I don't think there's a single person with total authority over it. Canonically nothing was established at least.​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Even Bill was only a Fleet Admiral and he's the highest ranked Admiral we've seen in canon.

    Also, stop basing arguments on what the US Navy does. Starfleet gives promotions from cadet to captain in a matter of weeks and admirals have their own commands. The only thing the two organisations share are the names of some of the ranks.​​
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  • kjfettkjfett Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    clearly they are saving this position for a big name actor that they hope to buy in to voice acting in the game with the promise of giving their character a higher rank to go along with the package. They just haven't found anyone on their list to bite just yet.
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  • trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    They're using the U.S. Navy Rank structure. This does not mean they are using the U.S. Chain of Command for it.

    For this, they would have to make the rank "Admiral of Starfleet", which would be the same as the "Admiral of the Navy." But this is to simplify the Chain of Command.

    Which for the U.S Military is.

    C.I.C. - President
    Joint Chief's of Staff - Admiral of the Navy, General of the Army, General of the Air Force, General of the Marines(I know the name are probably off for the last two.)

    But with Star Trek, you only have one military force, Starfleet. And its not really suppose to be a military force.

    The only faction that still works in this manner are the Klingons. For the KDF it goes Emperor ~> Chancellor ~> High Command ~> Klingon Defense Force.

    For Starfleet it goes Monkey in Charge ~> Every other monkey.
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    clearly they are saving this position for a big name actor that they hope to buy in to voice acting in the game with the promise of giving their character a higher rank to go along with the package. They just haven't found anyone on their list to bite just yet.

    I'd be inclined to agree.
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  • thecoffinflythecoffinfly Member Posts: 203 Arc User
    I'd be inclined to agree.
    The only big name people from the cast of TNG/DS9/VOY that they could use for the spot is possibly either Riker, or Janeway.

    Everyone else is either retried, or in a different position.

    And we have heard very little about either. We know Riker is/was on the Titan and Janeway investigated Hobus and that's about all we know. It leaves plenty of wriggle room if either were to be used.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Quinn? You should know that he is no longer relevant by now ;)
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    kjfett wrote: »
    clearly they are saving this position for a big name actor that they hope to buy in to voice acting in the game with the promise of giving their character a higher rank to go along with the package. They just haven't found anyone on their list to bite just yet.

    No, they're saving the position for the inevitable player rank inflation after the next level cap increase. I mean we're already Fleet Admirals not much room to go up from there.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    No, they're saving the position for the inevitable player rank inflation after the next level cap increase. I mean we're already Fleet Admirals not much room to go up from there.
    >Implying there will be another level cap increase.
    Yeah no, they already said there wont be, since theres no more ranks for us to achieve.

    And specializations are the new leveling system.
    There will be. When they're through making T6 versions of every ship and time comes to cash in on a new round. 2017, 2018 at the latest.

    They just won't admit it now, because that would discourage people from buying the T6's. :*
  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,117 Arc User
    >Implying there will be another level cap increase.
    Yeah no, they already said there wont be, since theres no more ranks for us to achieve.

    And specializations are the new leveling system.

    I wouldn't put too much weight into that, sooner or later players will demand an increase. They won't necessarily demand paying $35 for a ship though... but it will be complicated and may need some thinking through apart from the naming issue (which could be resolved by either creating fantasy rank names or a mass demotion of Fleet Admirals back to captain, with the other ranks getting deflated accordingly), since many of the systems in place are clearly designed with 60 as "top cap" in mind. Changing them can also lead to a similar situation as with the 60 increase with those players who've hit the wall already being in a more difficult position to rank up and use the new content than those who come to 60 freshly.
    bejaymac wrote: »
    Try looking up the American Navy ranks some time, that was the template they used for the chain of command for Star Fleet, sadly I doubt if Cryptic ever bothered to check as they have made an @ss of the flag ranks right from the start.

    Well, templates are there as a basis to work from and individualize. So even if they started off with getting inspired by the US navy for everything not settled by canon, they may as well use a different system.
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