I think there are too many pieces in 23c to just let it go with the next expansion.
My bet is that we're going to go back there for something big, but we won't like how and we won't like the mission involved.
all I can say is that it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions and no extra missions will be added before the final mission in the story arc where you end up being taken to the 25c future.
naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.
I am sorry to say that if you are adamant about not taking your character out of the 23c you will only ever have the same missions to replay over and over and that to me is very boring.
they well may add other 23c time travel missions but they will not use any of the maps I have mentioned above and you will not be allowed to exit that map into the 23c sector space map.
it will also be likely that these missions if they ever exist will be out of the reach of characters who are still stuck in the 23c timeline so they would not be able to play them until they move on to the 25c.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I think there are too many pieces in 23c to just let it go with the next expansion.
My bet is that we're going to go back there for something big, but we won't like how and we won't like the mission involved.
all I can say is that it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions and no extra missions will be added before the final mission in the story arc where you end up being taken to the 25c future.
naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.
I am sorry to say that if you are adamant about not taking your character out of the 23c you will only ever have the same missions to replay over and over and that to me is very boring.
they well may add other 23c time travel missions but they will not use any of the maps I have mentioned above and you will not be allowed to exit that map into the 23c sector space map.
it will also be likely that these missions if they ever exist will be out of the reach of characters who are still stuck in the 23c timeline so they would not be able to play them until they move on to the 25c.
Companies say "NEVER" a lot... and then change their minds. In Warcraft alone there are:
1. People on both sides on a PvP server...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
2. Race changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
3. Faction changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
4. Barbershop (plastic surgery clinics)...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
There are other Warcraft-specific things also that Blizzard said NEVER to. Companies should stop using that word.
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Not all that long ago, I posted a thread where I stated that AoY was a big mistake and a waste of developer resources. The thread broke down in a typical flamefest so I bowed out of it. But this thread here illustrates how correct I was in my assessment. This is not to say that the content itself is bad and should not have been made, but following with Cryptic's Fire-and-Forget approach to content, I maintain that AoY was a mistake.
I stopped playing my Romulan character when it came to the point where I had to choose between KDF and UFP. I enjoyed the romulan core experience while it lasted, but once I could no longer proceed with Romulan-centric content, I lost interest. And I have to call BS on Cryptic's excuse that the game's just not designed to accommodate a third full faction... Let's see... As a Romulan, we have our own starting point. We have our own content. We have out own DOffs. We have our own ships. We have our own social hubs... If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's a freaking duck!
To me it is not so much a technical limitation, but rather an oh **** limitation. As in Cryptic realizing that if they went full faction, then oh ****, they need to deliver faction-specific content. But it's okay, right? Because the KDF stopped getting faction-specific content a long time ago. The only place where it becomes a technical issue is PvP. which is designed as a 2-faction system, and is probably the only reason we have to choose which faction to join.
The AoY 23rd-century "faction" is worse. We don't even get to choose which full faction to join. It's just as I said... A very expensive, time consuming, resource intense alternate starting scenario for UFP. The money, time and resources could have and should have been better spent on that ever-elusive new exploration system that is supposedly going to replace the exploration system they took out. You know... Sticking with the season's announced theme of getting back to exploration?
The game is just not designed to handle any factions. PvP has been faction-agnostic for ages. Missions have been faction-agnostic for even longer. There's nothing to a "faction" in STO but an origin story and an oversized truckload of arbitrary, counterproductive restrictions that turn the minority factions into unprofitable ghettos.
The TOSFed is the very model of how to do it right, and exactly the way they should've implemented all the factions from the start. As an interesting origin story that joins seamlessly into the main plot when the time comes, with no more meaningless restrictions (beyond what already existed before). That the game mechanics of the other "factions" keep pretending they are more or less hostile to eachother long after they are allied in story is a farce.
As I said before, they wasted so much time and effort doing the 23c ESD map and the sector map when you only get to use it for a handful of missions.
Then there is all the manuals, kit modules, ship equipment, ground gear and Bridge officers you cannot get once you leave, plus most of it is bind-on-pick-up to the character that buys it.
Until there is a way to go back to those areas as far as I am concerned they totally blew the entire AoY 'expansion' by making all those assets and then forcing people away from it with no way of going back.
As I said before, they wasted so much time and effort doing the 23c ESD map and the sector map when you only get to use it for a handful of missions.
Then there is all the manuals, kit modules, ship equipment, ground gear and Bridge officers you cannot get once you leave, plus most of it is bind-on-pick-up to the character that buys it.
Until there is a way to go back to those areas as far as I am concerned they totally blew the entire AoY 'expansion' by making all those assets and then forcing people away from it with no way of going back.
The equipment randomly drops in missions that take place in the 23rd century (and is tradeable when acquired from drops) and the bridge officers are unnecessary since you can take any normal Fed boff and dress it in a 23c uniform.
Only the manuals are lost forever once you leave. And only a few of them have unique effects at all. Sure, they should sell them in the normal ESD and make them tradeable like all other manuals are, but it's ridiculous to suggest they "totally blew" the whole expansion just because you can't get a Tractor Beam 1 with a slightly different graphic.
Until there is a way to go back to those areas as far as I am concerned they totally blew the entire AoY 'expansion' by making all those assets and then forcing people away from it with no way of going back.
I agree. I do wish they had handled the whole thing differently.
But Cryptic has made many poor decisions with this game dating from the beginning, and those decisions have walled them in to the point where what we got is better than what I expected. After all I get to cruise around in my Connie and other TOS ships, something I didn't think I'd ever get the chance to do.
I think there are too many pieces in 23c to just let it go with the next expansion.
My bet is that we're going to go back there for something big, but we won't like how and we won't like the mission involved.
all I can say is that it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions and no extra missions will be added before the final mission in the story arc where you end up being taken to the 25c future.
naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.
I am sorry to say that if you are adamant about not taking your character out of the 23c you will only ever have the same missions to replay over and over and that to me is very boring.
they well may add other 23c time travel missions but they will not use any of the maps I have mentioned above and you will not be allowed to exit that map into the 23c sector space map.
it will also be likely that these missions if they ever exist will be out of the reach of characters who are still stuck in the 23c timeline so they would not be able to play them until they move on to the 25c.
Companies say "NEVER" a lot... and then change their minds. In Warcraft alone there are:
1. People on both sides on a PvP server...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
2. Race changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
3. Faction changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
4. Barbershop (plastic surgery clinics)...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
There are other Warcraft-specific things also that Blizzard said NEVER to. Companies should stop using that word.
As I said before, they wasted so much time and effort doing the 23c ESD map and the sector map when you only get to use it for a handful of missions.
Then there is all the manuals, kit modules, ship equipment, ground gear and Bridge officers you cannot get once you leave, plus most of it is bind-on-pick-up to the character that buys it.
Until there is a way to go back to those areas as far as I am concerned they totally blew the entire AoY 'expansion' by making all those assets and then forcing people away from it with no way of going back.
as I said "naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.", for at least the foreseeable future my last comment describes the way it is, if you choose to bury your heads in the sand and pretend it isn't so feel free.
they didn't blow the expansion as its working the way it was intended to work and in that respect it is a complete success, the mere fact that you are not happy with the end results will change nothing.
the 23c is all it was ever intended to be.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
yeah they pretty much wasted their time making a bunch of awesome TOS flavored things like the map and ESD if they don't intend to let us go back or expand on it.... sadly I don't expect much past *maybe* a FE or two at this point.
if they do a TOS style featured episode or two as you suggest they might chances are they will be all faction in any case and not restricted to TOS characters plus they will be part of a greater story line that requires your character to complete them as part of the 25th century story line as well as the entry point for the missions being set on the 25th century sector map forcing you to travel there in order to start the mission and once you are there you cannot return to the 23rd century sector map.
we have seen this even before AoY was even thought of in missions like “Everything Old is New” and “Night of the Comet” for example.
the likelihood of cryptic creating any new 23c missions where there is an entry point based on the 23c sector map is unlikely to the extreme.
Thats exactly what I meant, but by doing some FE we might get to see and/or use the 23c map again etc
this is also highly unlikely, most likely the start points would be in be on the 25c map and on completion would return you to the 25c map, there is no likelihood of you ever returning to the 23c sector map.
the most you would see is some 23c star system or planet and its unlikely to be one that featured in the ToS story line, even if you tried to exit the system in an attempt to get to the 23c sector you would only end up returning to the 25c map.
you might get to see some 23c ships or uniformed NCP's if you are lucky but that is the best you could hope for, it certainly wont be enough to give you the same feeling as you got playing those first 23c missions and experiencing the 23c space dock and sector maps..
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
yeah they pretty much wasted their time making a bunch of awesome TOS flavored things like the map and ESD if they don't intend to let us go back or expand on it.... sadly I don't expect much past *maybe* a FE or two at this point.
if they do a TOS style featured episode or two as you suggest they might chances are they will be all faction in any case and not restricted to TOS characters plus they will be part of a greater story line that requires your character to complete them as part of the 25th century story line as well as the entry point for the missions being set on the 25th century sector map forcing you to travel there in order to start the mission and once you are there you cannot return to the 23rd century sector map.
we have seen this even before AoY was even thought of in missions like “Everything Old is New” and “Night of the Comet” for example.
the likelihood of cryptic creating any new 23c missions where there is an entry point based on the 23c sector map is unlikely to the extreme.
Thats exactly what I meant, but by doing some FE we might get to see and/or use the 23c map again etc
this is also highly unlikely, most likely the start points would be in be on the 25c map and on completion would return you to the 25c map, there is no likelihood of you ever returning to the 23c sector map.
the most you would see is some 23c star system or planet and its unlikely to be one that featured in the ToS story line, even if you tried to exit the system in an attempt to get to the 23c sector you would only end up returning to the 25c map.
you might get to see some 23c ships or uniformed NCP's if you are lucky but that is the best you could hope for, it certainly wont be enough to give you the same feeling as you got playing those first 23c missions and experiencing the 23c space dock and sector maps..
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
meaning if you start in one star system and are required to travel to another you will simply warp out of one and into the next (transwarp style) in a similar fashion as you do when you start a queued mission from around earth space dock, you warp out of the system and instantly appear in the system where the queued mission is taking place without ever needing to use sector space and the same in reverse for the return journey, travel between different systems can easily be accomplished in this fashion regardless of the number of systems you would need to visit until you finally finish the 23c mission and find yourself back on the 25c sector map.
the above method has been used previously in some existing missions that don't even involve time travel or the 23c, what makes you think they would not use this method again.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
yeah they pretty much wasted their time making a bunch of awesome TOS flavored things like the map and ESD if they don't intend to let us go back or expand on it.... sadly I don't expect much past *maybe* a FE or two at this point.
if they do a TOS style featured episode or two as you suggest they might chances are they will be all faction in any case and not restricted to TOS characters plus they will be part of a greater story line that requires your character to complete them as part of the 25th century story line as well as the entry point for the missions being set on the 25th century sector map forcing you to travel there in order to start the mission and once you are there you cannot return to the 23rd century sector map.
we have seen this even before AoY was even thought of in missions like “Everything Old is New” and “Night of the Comet” for example.
the likelihood of cryptic creating any new 23c missions where there is an entry point based on the 23c sector map is unlikely to the extreme.
Thats exactly what I meant, but by doing some FE we might get to see and/or use the 23c map again etc
this is also highly unlikely, most likely the start points would be in be on the 25c map and on completion would return you to the 25c map, there is no likelihood of you ever returning to the 23c sector map.
the most you would see is some 23c star system or planet and its unlikely to be one that featured in the ToS story line, even if you tried to exit the system in an attempt to get to the 23c sector you would only end up returning to the 25c map.
you might get to see some 23c ships or uniformed NCP's if you are lucky but that is the best you could hope for, it certainly wont be enough to give you the same feeling as you got playing those first 23c missions and experiencing the 23c space dock and sector maps..
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
Perhaps your statement would have more weight (but not still not be totally convincing because.. look at my T6 Connie), if it included a link to said statement.
yeah they pretty much wasted their time making a bunch of awesome TOS flavored things like the map and ESD if they don't intend to let us go back or expand on it.... sadly I don't expect much past *maybe* a FE or two at this point.
if they do a TOS style featured episode or two as you suggest they might chances are they will be all faction in any case and not restricted to TOS characters plus they will be part of a greater story line that requires your character to complete them as part of the 25th century story line as well as the entry point for the missions being set on the 25th century sector map forcing you to travel there in order to start the mission and once you are there you cannot return to the 23rd century sector map.
we have seen this even before AoY was even thought of in missions like “Everything Old is New” and “Night of the Comet” for example.
the likelihood of cryptic creating any new 23c missions where there is an entry point based on the 23c sector map is unlikely to the extreme.
Thats exactly what I meant, but by doing some FE we might get to see and/or use the 23c map again etc
this is also highly unlikely, most likely the start points would be in be on the 25c map and on completion would return you to the 25c map, there is no likelihood of you ever returning to the 23c sector map.
the most you would see is some 23c star system or planet and its unlikely to be one that featured in the ToS story line, even if you tried to exit the system in an attempt to get to the 23c sector you would only end up returning to the 25c map.
you might get to see some 23c ships or uniformed NCP's if you are lucky but that is the best you could hope for, it certainly wont be enough to give you the same feeling as you got playing those first 23c missions and experiencing the 23c space dock and sector maps..
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
Perhaps your statement would have more weight (but not still not be totally convincing because.. look at my T6 Connie), if it included a link to said statement.
believe what you will, just don't hold your breath waiting.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
yeah they pretty much wasted their time making a bunch of awesome TOS flavored things like the map and ESD if they don't intend to let us go back or expand on it.... sadly I don't expect much past *maybe* a FE or two at this point.
if they do a TOS style featured episode or two as you suggest they might chances are they will be all faction in any case and not restricted to TOS characters plus they will be part of a greater story line that requires your character to complete them as part of the 25th century story line as well as the entry point for the missions being set on the 25th century sector map forcing you to travel there in order to start the mission and once you are there you cannot return to the 23rd century sector map.
we have seen this even before AoY was even thought of in missions like “Everything Old is New” and “Night of the Comet” for example.
the likelihood of cryptic creating any new 23c missions where there is an entry point based on the 23c sector map is unlikely to the extreme.
Thats exactly what I meant, but by doing some FE we might get to see and/or use the 23c map again etc
this is also highly unlikely, most likely the start points would be in be on the 25c map and on completion would return you to the 25c map, there is no likelihood of you ever returning to the 23c sector map.
the most you would see is some 23c star system or planet and its unlikely to be one that featured in the ToS story line, even if you tried to exit the system in an attempt to get to the 23c sector you would only end up returning to the 25c map.
you might get to see some 23c ships or uniformed NCP's if you are lucky but that is the best you could hope for, it certainly wont be enough to give you the same feeling as you got playing those first 23c missions and experiencing the 23c space dock and sector maps..
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
Perhaps your statement would have more weight (but not still not be totally convincing because.. look at my T6 Connie), if it included a link to said statement.
believe what you will, just don't hold your breath waiting.
Model it on Delta Rising. You inform the player through Phillip Cray or whomever that something has changed drastically in the state of the temporal war. Whereas before the enemies targeted specific instances in time to try to change, this time they are going all out and attempting to outright destroy the Federation in the past via a full scale proxy war. They are both supplying and commanding and also to some degree mixing in their forces in disguise with these enemies, and it's far too big to ever erase from history. All that can be done now is to win and contain the damage to the greatest degree possible.
You are assigned to go back in disguise (new round of 23rd century ships and skins, maybe?) and take part in this war. The temporal agency has inserted itself in key logistics and command roles to make sure the influx of extra ships and personnel goes unnoticed, and a command center has been built on the frontlines. Go and report for duty, Starfleet needs you, the Federation needs you, and the future depends on you saving the past.
Model it on Delta Rising with a small map, command center, and missions that take you around that map with a battlezone or two sprinkled in. A series of Featured Episodes released over time marks the important events and turning points of the war and smaller stories are told in the form of "patrols" (really, people need to get over that word the DR patrols were more like STFs you didn't have to queue for and would scale themselves to how many players were present which is still a great mechanic) and there you go, an entire 23rd century bonanza of content available to all players.
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
As with Drake, I'm curious as to what your source for this assertion is. I've been following the game news fairly closely and I've never seen something like that said. It's entirely possible that I missed it somewhere, but as the saying goes -- you are the one who has been repeatedly making this claim, so the burden of proof falls upon you.
At least in general principal, it has been my observation that especially in genres such as MMOs that it is quite commonplace for devs to make use of previous work with new stuff added to make new content while cutting down on the coding workload. In the case where they have a customer base that is literally begging them for opportunities to return to the 23rd Century environment that they put so much work into creating, it would seem to be a no-brainer that it would be an easy call for them to make at some future point. Their customers would get something requested and they would already have much of the ground work done for the setting for new missions.
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
No I'm just calling BS on that statement until I see the official source. Because I've not seen it at all. I'll admit I don't follow podcasts much so its possible it was said, but until someone pulls that link out of their posterior as proof....
Thats not totaly correct, but you know that you can go back to past and future many times you want, just do not play Caleb IV to get transfered, lvl up by replay 4 missions before Caleb.
So when you reach lvl 20 or 24 or its 25, but then you get unlock Core of the Matter, and you can transwarp to 25th century map to do that missions, tho its possible to be done only once, and then you can go back or stay in 25th century and do deep space encounters(Assimilate the barbarians, gorn speeratists, Intel distaster, etc, etc).
Or you can go back and continue replaying missions till lvl 35 when you get access to the revamped cardassian missions and then you can go visit 25th century alpha quadrant.
Tho yes only problem is what all missions you get unlock at lvl 24,35 you can get only once to do tho You can play Defera in alpha quadrant and you have access to DS9(bank, exchange, mail).
Or you can stay in 23th century till lvl 35 and then go to the alpha quadrant.
Just to warn those ones who will do that, as that missions can be done only once, and they grant transwarp for 25th century, i suggest that you save one of missions, So maybe not to do core of matter and one of missions from revamped cardassian arc. To save transwarps for those quadrants.
My charachter is atm lvl 42 and i lvling by deep space encounters in alpha quadrant, and when i get bored i go to defera to eliminate borgs.
And best thing is if you saved one of above lsited missions you can go to the past- and back to future. So if you see Rear Admiral near Admiral Pike, thats me
Also, it seems that TOSlings can't use a lockbox ships, at least mirror ones, it not allows to open box and get ship, tho i still need to get to lvl 50 and see will event ships be able to use, as t1 connie if you get alone in deep space encounter its not easy to eliminate all of enemies and it takes a lot of time if you alone.
And most interesting thing is lvl 52, cause admirality system, as atm i have 3 ships only utility cruiser, connie and shuttle, so if event ships and lockbox ships don't work thats only 3 ships in fleet.
Tho if enough people decide to get TOSling, not sure whats offical name for us unaligned feds, or precaleb feds we can do a Defera at hard, if 3 od us get on same place.
Also, it seems that TOSlings can't use a lockbox ships, at least mirror ones, it not allows to open box and get ship, tho i still need to get to lvl 50 and see will event ships be able to use, as t1 connie if you get alone in deep space encounter its not easy to eliminate all of enemies and it takes a lot of time if you alone.
If you're L40, you can use your T6 event ships already. T5 Events and Mirror Feds won't open, but the T5 Delta rares from the lockboxes will. Some of the T5 VR Lockbox ships won't open but some will and I surmise all of the T6s will. A lot of outfits don't open and many of those that do, you won't be able to select them in the tailor anyway.
And most interesting thing is lvl 52, cause admirality system, as atm i have 3 ships only utility cruiser, connie and shuttle, so if event ships and lockbox ships don't work thats only 3 ships in fleet.
And unfortunately, those 3 won't work. You also won't be able to use/open the 1x's, prisoners, or colonists Admiralty generates.
Free jkname!
Can we get some more (canon) KDF outfits, an assortment of respectable skirts/dresses, a long jacket (and more clothes in general) that does plain white well, melee weapon and Mk 15 drops, a T6 Nova, and account-wide lockbox/lobi/promo ships & consoles? Oh, and...
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
As with Drake, I'm curious as to what your source for this assertion is. I've been following the game news fairly closely and I've never seen something like that said. It's entirely possible that I missed it somewhere, but as the saying goes -- you are the one who has been repeatedly making this claim, so the burden of proof falls upon you.
At least in general principal, it has been my observation that especially in genres such as MMOs that it is quite commonplace for devs to make use of previous work with new stuff added to make new content while cutting down on the coding workload. In the case where they have a customer base that is literally begging them for opportunities to return to the 23rd Century environment that they put so much work into creating, it would seem to be a no-brainer that it would be an easy call for them to make at some future point. Their customers would get something requested and they would already have much of the ground work done for the setting for new missions.
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
No I'm just calling BS on that statement until I see the official source. Because I've not seen it at all. I'll admit I don't follow podcasts much so its possible it was said, but until someone pulls that link out of their posterior as proof....
as you force my hand I will quote from here as one of the many places I have seen similar statements, if this is not enough for you then nothing ever will be.
Interview: Cryptic on the launch of Star Trek Online’s Agents of Yesterday
Stephen Ricossa: Quote: "By the end of the 23rd-century experience in Agents of Yesterday, your ship and crew are lost, and you won’t be going back. You are lost in time forever."
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
as you force my hand I will quote from here as one of the many places I have seen similar statements, if this is not enough for you then nothing ever will be.
Interview: Cryptic on the launch of Star Trek Online’s Agents of Yesterday
Stephen Ricossa: Quote: "By the end of the 23rd-century experience in Agents of Yesterday, your ship and crew are lost, and you won’t be going back. You are lost in time forever."
While you are correct, this is not by any means set in stone. Based on conversations with him and Geko at Star Trek Mission New York, there is a definite possibility of future missions in the 23rd century (and Kelvin) timeline.
indeed but I have already pointed out how this can be done without ever using any of the AoY maps about 14 comments back.
I have never said there will be no more episodes from the 23c just that we will never use any of the maps from the AoY like ESD, sector space or mission maps.
at the end of the day any future 23c mission will be open to all characters not just ToS characters, they don't want a load of Klingons, feds and romulans in 25c ships contaminating 23c sector space.
therefore the mission will have a sterting point in the 25c sector, you will warp into a sector where you time travel to a 23c star system and if you need to travel to other star systems you will travel transwarp style from system to system without entering 23c sector space, when the mission ends you will return to the 25c sector.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
As with Drake, I'm curious as to what your source for this assertion is. I've been following the game news fairly closely and I've never seen something like that said. It's entirely possible that I missed it somewhere, but as the saying goes -- you are the one who has been repeatedly making this claim, so the burden of proof falls upon you.
At least in general principal, it has been my observation that especially in genres such as MMOs that it is quite commonplace for devs to make use of previous work with new stuff added to make new content while cutting down on the coding workload. In the case where they have a customer base that is literally begging them for opportunities to return to the 23rd Century environment that they put so much work into creating, it would seem to be a no-brainer that it would be an easy call for them to make at some future point. Their customers would get something requested and they would already have much of the ground work done for the setting for new missions.
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
No I'm just calling BS on that statement until I see the official source. Because I've not seen it at all. I'll admit I don't follow podcasts much so its possible it was said, but until someone pulls that link out of their posterior as proof....
as you force my hand I will quote from here as one of the many places I have seen similar statements, if this is not enough for you then nothing ever will be.
Interview: Cryptic on the launch of Star Trek Online’s Agents of Yesterday
Stephen Ricossa: Quote: "By the end of the 23rd-century experience in Agents of Yesterday, your ship and crew are lost, and you won’t be going back. You are lost in time forever."
That's just a description of the plot events that happen in AoY to your 23rd century character. Nowhere does it say that they will never use those maps again for any reason or find some other reason to send characters there. You made that part up.
Agree. If that represents "categorically stated ... will ever be used", than categorically stated is the same as weekly stated.
That quote was the intended release state, nothing more. To blend setting for a moment, "Always in motion is the future..."
If Cryptic were real smart they would have a separate server for the 23rd century instead of bothering with all this console nonsense.
If by "smart", you mean "unwise"..then yeah, that. Nothing says, "kill this game" like splitting the player base across two servers and into two distinct games. Consoles were to add to increase the player base.
as you force my hand I will quote from here as one of the many places I have seen similar statements, if this is not enough for you then nothing ever will be.
Interview: Cryptic on the launch of Star Trek Online’s Agents of Yesterday
Stephen Ricossa: Quote: "By the end of the 23rd-century experience in Agents of Yesterday, your ship and crew are lost, and you won’t be going back. You are lost in time forever."
I also recall seeing an "Ask Cryptic" response, immediately post-Delta Rising's release, where they stated they did not intend to release any more faction-specific lockbox ships, since there were so many great non-faction designs.
We've just had two lots of those. Things change, and the above comment is (to my read) clearly about the narrative and not a statement of law.
If Cryptic were real smart they would have a separate server for the 23rd century instead of bothering with all this console nonsense.
If by "smart", you mean "unwise"..then yeah, that. Nothing says, "kill this game" like splitting the player base across two servers and into two distinct games. Consoles were to add to increase the player base.
Love this. Excellent example of posting before thinking.
Ok, which is it? Does have multiple servers increase the player base (i.e. "Consoles were to add to increase the player base", or does it "kill this game". If the former, when will the consoles kill the game (they do run on different backend server you know).
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all I can say is that it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions and no extra missions will be added before the final mission in the story arc where you end up being taken to the 25c future.
naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.
I am sorry to say that if you are adamant about not taking your character out of the 23c you will only ever have the same missions to replay over and over and that to me is very boring.
they well may add other 23c time travel missions but they will not use any of the maps I have mentioned above and you will not be allowed to exit that map into the 23c sector space map.
it will also be likely that these missions if they ever exist will be out of the reach of characters who are still stuck in the 23c timeline so they would not be able to play them until they move on to the 25c.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Companies say "NEVER" a lot... and then change their minds. In Warcraft alone there are:
1. People on both sides on a PvP server...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
2. Race changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
3. Faction changes...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
4. Barbershop (plastic surgery clinics)...they said NEVER and now WoW has it.
There are other Warcraft-specific things also that Blizzard said NEVER to. Companies should stop using that word.
If there are posts here that do not appeal to you, or opinions you disagree with, the best way to deal with that is to resist the urge to add comments. Instead, engage with the content you like! Don't feed the trolls!
The TOSFed is the very model of how to do it right, and exactly the way they should've implemented all the factions from the start. As an interesting origin story that joins seamlessly into the main plot when the time comes, with no more meaningless restrictions (beyond what already existed before). That the game mechanics of the other "factions" keep pretending they are more or less hostile to eachother long after they are allied in story is a farce.
Then there is all the manuals, kit modules, ship equipment, ground gear and Bridge officers you cannot get once you leave, plus most of it is bind-on-pick-up to the character that buys it.
Until there is a way to go back to those areas as far as I am concerned they totally blew the entire AoY 'expansion' by making all those assets and then forcing people away from it with no way of going back.
The equipment randomly drops in missions that take place in the 23rd century (and is tradeable when acquired from drops) and the bridge officers are unnecessary since you can take any normal Fed boff and dress it in a 23c uniform.
Only the manuals are lost forever once you leave. And only a few of them have unique effects at all. Sure, they should sell them in the normal ESD and make them tradeable like all other manuals are, but it's ridiculous to suggest they "totally blew" the whole expansion just because you can't get a Tractor Beam 1 with a slightly different graphic.
I agree. I do wish they had handled the whole thing differently.
But Cryptic has made many poor decisions with this game dating from the beginning, and those decisions have walled them in to the point where what we got is better than what I expected. After all I get to cruise around in my Connie and other TOS ships, something I didn't think I'd ever get the chance to do.
as I said "naturally they can always change their stance on this but it is highly unlikely.", for at least the foreseeable future my last comment describes the way it is, if you choose to bury your heads in the sand and pretend it isn't so feel free.
they didn't blow the expansion as its working the way it was intended to work and in that respect it is a complete success, the mere fact that you are not happy with the end results will change nothing.
the 23c is all it was ever intended to be.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Didn't I pretty much start off by saying that it was highly unlikely we'd see any of it again? Also to use your example sure the 'start door' would be 25c but there's no reason that a decent FE couldn't have us start there, go to the 23c, do something, use the 23c map to travel to point B(or theoretically even points C, D, E, etc) do something else, then temporal warp back to 25c map
your obviously missing the comment where I said "it has been categorically stated by cryptic that none of the 23c mission maps or ESD and sector space will ever be used in any future missions".
meaning if you start in one star system and are required to travel to another you will simply warp out of one and into the next (transwarp style) in a similar fashion as you do when you start a queued mission from around earth space dock, you warp out of the system and instantly appear in the system where the queued mission is taking place without ever needing to use sector space and the same in reverse for the return journey, travel between different systems can easily be accomplished in this fashion regardless of the number of systems you would need to visit until you finally finish the 23c mission and find yourself back on the 25c sector map.
the above method has been used previously in some existing missions that don't even involve time travel or the 23c, what makes you think they would not use this method again.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Perhaps your statement would have more weight (but not still not be totally convincing because.. look at my T6 Connie), if it included a link to said statement.
believe what you will, just don't hold your breath waiting.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
How funny and lacking in insight.
I waited 6 years for my Connie. I'm patient.
Agreed.
That would be all kinds of awesome.
As with Drake, I'm curious as to what your source for this assertion is. I've been following the game news fairly closely and I've never seen something like that said. It's entirely possible that I missed it somewhere, but as the saying goes -- you are the one who has been repeatedly making this claim, so the burden of proof falls upon you.
At least in general principal, it has been my observation that especially in genres such as MMOs that it is quite commonplace for devs to make use of previous work with new stuff added to make new content while cutting down on the coding workload. In the case where they have a customer base that is literally begging them for opportunities to return to the 23rd Century environment that they put so much work into creating, it would seem to be a no-brainer that it would be an easy call for them to make at some future point. Their customers would get something requested and they would already have much of the ground work done for the setting for new missions.
No I'm just calling BS on that statement until I see the official source. Because I've not seen it at all. I'll admit I don't follow podcasts much so its possible it was said, but until someone pulls that link out of their posterior as proof....
So when you reach lvl 20 or 24 or its 25, but then you get unlock Core of the Matter, and you can transwarp to 25th century map to do that missions, tho its possible to be done only once, and then you can go back or stay in 25th century and do deep space encounters(Assimilate the barbarians, gorn speeratists, Intel distaster, etc, etc).
Or you can go back and continue replaying missions till lvl 35 when you get access to the revamped cardassian missions and then you can go visit 25th century alpha quadrant.
Tho yes only problem is what all missions you get unlock at lvl 24,35 you can get only once to do
Or you can stay in 23th century till lvl 35 and then go to the alpha quadrant.
Just to warn those ones who will do that, as that missions can be done only once, and they grant transwarp for 25th century, i suggest that you save one of missions, So maybe not to do core of matter and one of missions from revamped cardassian arc. To save transwarps for those quadrants.
My charachter is atm lvl 42 and i lvling by deep space encounters in alpha quadrant, and when i get bored i go to defera to eliminate borgs.
And best thing is if you saved one of above lsited missions you can go to the past- and back to future. So if you see Rear Admiral near Admiral Pike, thats me
Also, it seems that TOSlings can't use a lockbox ships, at least mirror ones, it not allows to open box and get ship, tho i still need to get to lvl 50 and see will event ships be able to use, as t1 connie if you get alone in deep space encounter its not easy to eliminate all of enemies and it takes a lot of time if you alone.
And most interesting thing is lvl 52, cause admirality system, as atm i have 3 ships only
Tho if enough people decide to get TOSling, not sure whats offical name for us unaligned feds, or precaleb feds we can do a Defera at hard, if 3 od us get on same place.
Can we get some more (canon) KDF outfits, an assortment of respectable skirts/dresses, a long jacket (and more clothes in general) that does plain white well, melee weapon and Mk 15 drops, a T6 Nova, and account-wide lockbox/lobi/promo ships & consoles? Oh, and...
as you force my hand I will quote from here as one of the many places I have seen similar statements, if this is not enough for you then nothing ever will be.
Interview: Cryptic on the launch of Star Trek Online’s Agents of Yesterday
http://massivelyop.com/2016/07/06/interview-cryptic-on-the-launch-of-star-trek-onlines-agents-of-yesterday/
Stephen Ricossa: Quote: "By the end of the 23rd-century experience in Agents of Yesterday, your ship and crew are lost, and you won’t be going back. You are lost in time forever."
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
indeed but I have already pointed out how this can be done without ever using any of the AoY maps about 14 comments back.
I have never said there will be no more episodes from the 23c just that we will never use any of the maps from the AoY like ESD, sector space or mission maps.
at the end of the day any future 23c mission will be open to all characters not just ToS characters, they don't want a load of Klingons, feds and romulans in 25c ships contaminating 23c sector space.
therefore the mission will have a sterting point in the 25c sector, you will warp into a sector where you time travel to a 23c star system and if you need to travel to other star systems you will travel transwarp style from system to system without entering 23c sector space, when the mission ends you will return to the 25c sector.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Agree. If that represents "categorically stated ... will ever be used", than categorically stated is the same as weekly stated.
That quote was the intended release state, nothing more. To blend setting for a moment, "Always in motion is the future..."
If by "smart", you mean "unwise"..then yeah, that. Nothing says, "kill this game" like splitting the player base across two servers and into two distinct games. Consoles were to add to increase the player base.
I also recall seeing an "Ask Cryptic" response, immediately post-Delta Rising's release, where they stated they did not intend to release any more faction-specific lockbox ships, since there were so many great non-faction designs.
We've just had two lots of those. Things change, and the above comment is (to my read) clearly about the narrative and not a statement of law.
Love this. Excellent example of posting before thinking.
Ok, which is it? Does have multiple servers increase the player base (i.e. "Consoles were to add to increase the player base", or does it "kill this game". If the former, when will the consoles kill the game (they do run on different backend server you know).